Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, March 20, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[00:42:56] <Neustradamus> zinid: thx
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[06:20:35] <Algeneral> Hi
[06:22:40] <Algeneral> I have sites turn on vps ubuntu 4G RAM
if join to Url Sites in one Time 1000 Users
the sites dont connected for all even 60 sec
[06:22:45] <zinid> Holger: yes
[06:23:12] <Algeneral> the proplem from vps i must upgrade ?
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[06:27:48] <Holger> zinid: Then it's all clear to me, thanks.
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[06:41:40] <zinid> Algeneral, dude, google translate is not a terribly great idea to use for chatting
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[06:51:08] <Algeneral> zinid: My question does not concern Google Translate
[06:51:37] <Algeneral> zinid: My question about the server If you do not know, you can be silent rather than critical
[06:52:14] <Algeneral> zinid: ok dude
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[07:57:45] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Why do I have the feeling each time i read zinid and Holger. That the ejabberd code is full of errors?🤔😂😂😂😂
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[07:59:27] <zinid> because it is
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[08:26:00] <Holger> All code is full of errors.
[08:26:29] <zinid> Holger, yeah, but some code is better than others 😉
[08:26:30] <Holger> And usually you don't discuss the parts that are working 🙂
[08:26:40] <Holger> zinid: True.
[08:27:23] <zinid> for example, every release we have a dozen of pubsub related tickets
[08:27:35] <zinid> what does that tell us about the quality of pubsub code?
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[08:42:22] <zinid> rom1dep, did you finally manage to get gajim screenshots?
[08:42:35] <zinid> I mean 1.0 version
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[10:29:10] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Hi
[10:29:32] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Sockets for kitchen installed
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[10:30:05] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> https://emevth.no-ip.biz:5444/cf3cc2747fd816ab588e8508a2c3dfeb30845b2a/DdOmqNcvYthUAYDXZeXoYACfLw3j5eXLfWIIP7iw/20180320_113000195_b251.jpg
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[10:30:15] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> https://emevth.no-ip.biz:5444/cf3cc2747fd816ab588e8508a2c3dfeb30845b2a/GqAM2M1XnrGYUm66e6FNd6OghXqTngYs7aX3fx37/20180320_113000168_8616.jpg
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[10:41:59] <rom1dep> zinid: was I supposed to? I have this older screenshot otherwise: (it uses lovetox' messagewindow branch which puts conversations on the left)
https://upload.tamytro.org/a3849b367f4dd4cedd5ad6f64afa7645b7d4f834/37rugUlECYUJjzEKUOPopgomet3ZR9GXmUizmSzN/gajim_dino.png
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[11:17:55] <zinid> rom1dep: thanks
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[11:18:25] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> zinid: morning
[11:19:08] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> !disco emevth.no-ip.biz
[11:19:25] <rom1dep> zinid: what do you need it for?
[11:19:32] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> disco emevth.no-ip.biz
[11:19:45] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> .disco emevth.no-ip.biz
[11:19:45] <BS.mark-2> ThUnD3r|Gr33n®: You need to access higher.
[11:19:49] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Argggg
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[11:20:04] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> zinid: can u give me higher access please ?
[11:20:11] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Für my own bot😂
[11:20:26] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Level 2
[11:20:33] <rom1dep> if you remind me this evening, I can provide a gajiim-only screenshot with the latest UI updates
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[11:37:31] <Holger> ThUnD3r|Gr33n®: The only interaction your bot has with this room is reading and writing messages.  It needs no special privileges to do that.
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[11:47:53] <Holger> (Ah I guess *you* want another role because that bot checks that.)
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[12:09:31] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Holger: exactly
[12:10:00] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Holger: as I'm just occupant ..he won't let me do some commands
[12:10:32] <Holger> Fix the bot then :-P
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[12:11:01] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> Dunno how to adapt the acls
[12:11:16] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n®> In my own much I'm owner ..but here just someone like u😂
[12:12:44] <zinid> rom1dep: ok
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[12:20:54] <beri> Hello, I recently upgraded from ejabberd 17.06 to 18.01 (ubuntu 16.04) and since then I can't communicate with some servers (jabber.org, ffnord.net mailbox.org) at least with inbound ssl communication, others work. s2s_use_starttls is set to optional and mod_s2s_dialback is active. I get the following error messages:
[12:20:58] <beri> 2018-03-20 12:20:49.680 [info] <0.1064.0>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_failure:204 (tls|<0.1064.0>) Failed inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication mailbox.org -> cloud.benritt.de (80.241.60.193): self signed certificate in certificate chain
[12:21:31] <beri> 2018-03-20 12:20:49.701 [info] <0.1066.0>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_failure:204 (tls|<0.1066.0>) Failed inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication mailbox.org -> cloud.benritt.de (146.255.57.226): unable to get issuer certificate
[12:22:09] <zinid> Your server doesn't allow connections with bad certificatea
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[12:22:32] <beri> as mailbox.org does not have a self-signed ssl cert, the first guess was that ejabberd can't really access the ca certs of my system
[12:22:35] <beri> could that be?
[12:22:39] <zinid> What OS btw?
[12:22:46] <beri> ubuntu 16.04
[12:23:06] <zinid> Try to set ca_file
[12:23:22] <zinid> Seems like a problem with system certificates
[12:23:57] <zinid> apt install ca-certificates
[12:23:59] <zinid> ?
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[12:24:55] <beri> to what value?  shouldnt that point to my own cert?
[12:25:08] <zinid> The easiest way to fix this is to download Mozilla's CA bundle and point `ca_file` option to it
[12:25:15] <beri> ca-certificates are at latest version. ejabberd used to work before
[12:25:58] <zinid> Well, no idea, maybe ejabberd is compiled against another openssl version, thus could happen
[12:26:13] <zinid> *this
[12:26:35] <zinid> Just do what I said to fix for sure
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[12:28:47] <zinid> Btw, ca-certificates package should also provide a single-file CA bundle you can use it too if you want
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[12:29:57] <Holger> On my Debian stretch that file is /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt ...
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[12:40:01] <beri> Okay well, I followed your instructions and still those servers can't reach me. Do you have any other idea?
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[12:40:39] <zinid> beri: do you have any warnings?
[12:40:45] <zinid> In the log
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[12:41:44] <beri> nope, only that more than 80% of my OS memory is allocated
[12:42:38] <zinid> beri: and nothing about your certificates are self-signed?
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[12:43:56] <beri> 2018-03-20 13:32:29.451 [info] <0.1805.0>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_failure:204 (tls|<0.1805.0>) Failed inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication conference.process-one.net -> cloud.benritt.de (52.50.213.213): unable to get issuer certificate
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[12:44:23] <beri> I also get this for your server..so maybe sometimes also with you it seems to fail
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[12:44:37] <zinid> That's odd
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[12:44:54] <beri> 2018-03-20 13:32:47.342 [info] <0.1810.0>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_failure:204 (tls|<0.1810.0>) Failed inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication mailbox.org -> cloud.benritt.de (80.241.60.193): self signed certificate in certificate chain
[12:44:58] <beri> again of cause this one
[12:45:08] <zinid> beri: did you restart ejabberd?
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[12:45:26] <beri> can it maybe be related to the fact that I still cat all the three files for my cert into one file?
[12:45:32] <zinid> Seems like it doesn't see your bundle, please double check everything
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[12:46:00] <zinid> No, that's fine
[12:46:28] <zinid> If you remove the ca_file option, do you get a warning?
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[12:46:57] <beri> right now I use both options "certfiles" and "ca_file" and point them to the same file (the one with cat)
[12:47:01] <beri> maybe because of that?
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[12:47:09] <zinid> LOL
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[12:47:49] <zinid> Well, we already told you twice, please reread the discussion, I'm tired to type it from mobile
[12:47:56] <Akasch> 2018-03-20 13:46:40.373 [info] <0.320.0>@ejabberd_listener:accept:302 (<0.703.0>) Accepted connection ::1:37418 -> ::1:5280
2018-03-20 13:46:40.416 [error] <0.703.0>@extauth:call_port:101 CRASH REPORT Process <0.703.0> with 0 neighbours crashed with reason: bad argument in extauth:call_port/2 line 101
[12:48:08] <Akasch> I get this the trying to connect to the web admin
[12:48:26] <Akasch> version from git after the shared roster commit yesterday
[12:48:29] <zinid> Akasch: external program fails?
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[12:49:03] <Akasch> ah, I had interpreted as a internal crash of ejabberd
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[12:49:42] <zinid> Akasch: yeah, the error is misleading
[12:49:49] <Akasch> login is working, but shared roster have problems to
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[12:50:16] <zinid> What problems?
[12:50:38] <Akasch> no users, but no errormessages also
[12:50:41] <zinid> Anyway, I'm AFK, I cannot check at the moment
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[12:52:14] <zinid> Akasch: and you're using external auth?
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[12:53:05] <Akasch> yes
[12:53:16] <zinid> I don't even know if it works with external auth, it should retrieve a list of users somehow from the external program
[12:53:18] <Akasch> and for login with a jabber client it is working
[12:53:47] <Akasch> it worked in 16.09, and in my test jesterday it seemed to work also
[12:54:04] <Akasch> maybe I have a configuration error somewere
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[12:56:23] <Akasch> I think for shared roster the users are in the database, and it only checks if they are users via external auth
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[12:57:18] <zinid> Akasch: I'm not that sure
[12:57:50] <Akasch> it is how i remember it from the old version
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[13:00:39] <beri> sorry, little supidity on my side. thank you for the help! I realized that I set ca_file twice in the config file..
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[13:03:23] <Holger> beri: Problem solved?
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[13:03:48] <beri> > beri: Problem solved?
Yes :)
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[13:09:46] <zinid> Yaml doesn't have any warnings about double assignment
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[13:10:19] <zinid> Which sucks
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[13:32:15] <Akasch> ok found the problem
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[13:33:00] <Akasch> my browser had saved the logindata from my testing, and the user does not exist in the production server
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[13:33:55] <Akasch> but I think the server should not report a crash on invalid login data, I will see later if it is reproducable
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[13:34:21] <beri> Oh and thanks again guys! Great help
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[13:35:46] <Akasch> hm, I geht the sa,e error with each click in the admin interface multibe times, but it seems to work
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[14:04:18] <Akasch> zinid, for shared_roster: it seems to me that presence and messages are not routed
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[14:04:41] <zinid> Akasch, could you please try with mnesia or sql auth?
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[14:04:53] <zinid> Akasch, it seems like you're facing two different issues
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[14:05:22] <Akasch> i think i have to setup a dedicated test server for that
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[14:05:50] <Akasch> I will try it, but first I have to do some cleanups
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[14:06:48] <zinid> I really cannot see how mod_shared_roster will work with external auth
[14:07:35] <zinid> I don't even see list_users method in ejabberd_auth_external
[14:08:23] <zinid> *get_users
[14:09:12] <Akasch> it is working with 16.09
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[14:09:36] <Akasch> it has a table sr_group and sr_user i think the user list is comming from there
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[14:09:57] <Akasch> the shared_roster entrys are in the sql database
[14:09:59] <zinid> @all@ will not work
[14:10:21] <Akasch> I have all jids mannually in the tables
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[14:12:18] <Akasch> I will set up a more complete testserver and report back
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[15:15:08] <GitBot> I've been up for kode.im 6 hours and 57 minutes (since Tuesday, Mar 20 at 09:17)
[15:15:10] <Servant> zinid: kode.im has been running for 47 days, 14 hours and 28 minutes
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[15:15:30] <zinid> !uptime conversations.im
[15:15:30] <GitBot> I've been up for conversations.im 6 hours and 58 minutes (since Tuesday, Mar 20 at 09:17)
[15:15:30] <Servant> zinid: conversations.im has been running for 42 days, 16 hours and 12 minutes
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[15:16:58] <Holger> GitBot?
[15:16:58] <GitBot> Command "?" not found.
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[15:17:40] <zinid> ETOOMANYBOTS
[15:17:55] <Holger> Yeah.  I'll ditch Servant if the others do the trick.
[15:18:33] <Holger> Sucks anyway.
[15:18:41] <Holger> Seems the others suck as well though.
[15:20:00] <zinid> yeah, even XMPP bots suck nowadays
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[15:47:52] <Akasch> zinid, after more debugging: the problem is not that it does not work, but it consumes to much recources. After incrassing the sql_pool_size: from 3 to 20 it is somewat working, but it is still slow and now i have warnings in the log that some ejabberd internal timeouts happen
[15:48:46] <Akasch> the SQL Server is doing  ~35k Transactions per seccond, mostly with SELECT opts from sr_group where name=$1 and 0=0
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[15:49:10] <Akasch> 2018-03-20 16:43:25.975 [warning] <0.107.0> The system is overloaded with 10334 messages queued by 126 process(es) (24%) from the following applications: ejabberd (10334 msgs); the top processes are:
** <0.596.0>: msgs = 388, memory = 9571232, initial_call = xmpp_stream_in:init/1, current_function = gen:do_call/4, ancestors = [ejabberd_c2s_sup,ejabberd_sup,<0.62.0>], application = ejabberd
[15:49:54] <zinid> that's known issue
[15:50:06] <zinid> there is even a ticket for this
[15:50:40] <zinid> I don't think I can do something with that without full module rewrite
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[15:55:46] <Akasch> hm then I have to switch back to 16.09 I think, as it is currently putting full load on a 24 core server, and login is in the region of 10 minutes to failing, message delivery also often takes some minutes
[15:55:54] <Akasch> but thanks for the support
[15:59:01] <zinid> ok
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[17:16:13] <rom1dep> https://upload.tamytro.org/upload/a3849b367f4dd4cedd5ad6f64afa7645b7d4f834/yyMlxj5MBog3AhY5b0jVmZwSkl5we9tpB4mbXX4w/gajim-messagewindow.png
[17:16:30] <rom1dep> zinid: ↑
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[17:31:21] <zinid> yeah...
[17:31:31] <zinid> dino looks better
[17:32:09] <zinid> also, those client icons...
[17:32:14] <zinid> why are they needed?
[17:32:28] <zinid> Psi has the same problem
[17:32:42] <Akasch> the cient icons are a plugin i think
[17:33:04] <zinid> ah, ok
[17:33:14] <zinid> in Psi they are by default
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[17:34:08] <zinid> is it possible to configure avatars in front of the participant in the chat window?
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[17:57:36] <rom1dep> > also, those client icons...
zinid: it's an extension, I like it, it's optional. Avatars in the chat, I don't think it's possible, I don't like it, it makes backlogs unnecessarily long , but I get the appeal for newcomers. Fine by me as long as there is a "eye candy mode" and a "compact mode".
[17:58:41] <rom1dep> oh, crap, halflife3 is nearing! https://swift.im/blog/swift-4.0
[17:58:50] <zinid> well, I tried again to use a client without avatars (poezio), this is definitely not for me
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[17:59:06] <zinid> and as you see I'm far from a newcomer 😉
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[18:00:03] <rom1dep> what would you say is your problem with not having avatars? unification of blocs of messages from a same user? User identification?
[18:00:09] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: Ironically that screenshot has too many icons in useless places and not enough in the one place I want them.
[18:01:11] <Licaon_Kter> rom1dep: I find reading long lines of text without a separator hard, the chat bubble helps.
[18:01:36] <Licaon_Kter> rom1dep: Even an alternating background would make it way better.
[18:01:38] <rom1dep> the separator helps making them shorter?
[18:01:44] <zinid> rom1dep, fast user identification, yes
[18:02:02] <Licaon_Kter> rom1dep: No, keeping them....separated...
[18:03:01] <rom1dep> for me, nick colors is enough it seems
[18:03:22] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, in Russian, we call this effect "sprats": https://www.germandeli.com/product-images/UNDARiga-Sprats-in-oil-160g-5-6oz_main-2.jpg
[18:03:52] <rom1dep> I like when it's dense, because I often face hundreds of lines of backlogs, and it makes navigation+catch-up easier
[18:04:19] <Licaon_Kter> I've tried to use both Dino and Gajim on the Desktop, and that chat window, no matter how beautiful the UI is, ends up as a dump of text, maybe some have IRC nostalgia or something.
[18:04:41] <rom1dep> at the end of the day, text is text
[18:06:15] <rom1dep> I'm also not fond of the effect that is "wowh, this design is breathtaking!" at first sight, with a lot of fancy candy eye, and padding, but which in practice is confusing and inefficient
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[18:15:01] <zinid> rom1dep, so you call distinguishing participants by avatars inefficient?
[18:15:21] <Licaon_Kter> Dino at least has the avatars in front.
[18:15:22] <zinid> actually image recognition is the stuff our brain is designed to do
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[18:16:32] <zinid> for example, I see the previous post coming from Licaon_Kter just by reading the text, i.e. using peripheral vision
[18:16:36] <Licaon_Kter> Exactly, you say rom1dep that you scan text, but most of the time some users talk about something while other about something else, cramming text together does not help. Skipping text based on avatars...does.
[18:16:51] <zinid> it's impossible to do, I need to focus on a nickname in order to understand who's the author
[18:17:31] <zinid> *to do without avatars
[18:18:36] <Licaon_Kter> Also, corrupted by the "messengers UI", I'm fond of *my avatar on the right side* (aka opposed side), again, it helps me filter what other have said. And yes I understand it's a bit stranger on the desktop, widescreens and all that. 🙂
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[18:19:51] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: Do I have an avatar here?
[18:19:57] <rom1dep> > zinid‎: rom1dep, so you call distinguishing participants by avatars inefficient?
It introduces more scrolling, because in practice a legible avatar is thicker than a line of text
[18:20:21] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, yes, you have
[18:20:34] <zinid> rom1dep, I don't scroll anything
[18:20:46] <zinid> I don't read huge backlogs
[18:20:52] <Holger> rom1dep: Overlong lines reduce readability anyway.
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[18:22:07] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: Does the avatar look familiar to you? 😉
[18:22:19] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, yes, that's Незнайка
[18:22:35] <Licaon_Kter> Yup
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[18:24:14] <zinid> not sure where you get it 🙂
[18:26:25] <rom1dep> Holger: sure, but that's not related to avatars. You should always chose a client that lets you resize horizontally the chat window
[18:26:37] <Licaon_Kter> OH FFS Dino, WTF... the blue $hit is $hit.............F7U12
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[18:27:21] <Holger> rom1dep: I thought your reasoning was that avatars take too much horizontal space. Whatever.
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[18:27:41] <Licaon_Kter> Sorry, but Dino, after 5mins, decides to slow to a crawl and make the window blue... 3rd time I'm killing it. 🙁
[18:28:04] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, yeah, pretty much buggy client...
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[18:31:17] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: Being here on your west side, over the black pond, left to the CCCP after the '45 influence sphere split, waiting for "ze Americans to come", we've imported everything the CCCP wanted.
[18:31:43] <zinid> LOL
[18:31:47] <Licaon_Kter> Including children books: http://www.latrecut.ro/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/habarnam1.jpg
[18:33:34] <rom1dep> Holger: nah, I was mentionning the extra scrolling, so I thought it was pretty clear it's the vertical space
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[18:39:53] <zinid> regarding switf: still no mam support?
[18:40:10] <zinid> I see only message carbons
[18:40:26] <Holger> rom1dep: I thought you meant the avatar width adds line breaks. If the height is the problem I can't agree either. Your wall of text in Gajim is just way more readable in Conversations.
[18:41:03] <Holger> zinid: Yup, Swift development is sloooow.
[18:41:22] <Holger> I think MAM is planned for 5.0.
[18:41:38] <zinid> Holger, there changelog looks like a changelog of ejabberd between two versions (1-2 months of development) 😀
[18:42:18] <Holger> Hehe.
[18:42:45] <zinid> really: a few fixes, some platform-specific code and a single XEP
[18:43:08] <zinid> I would call that 3.0.1
[18:43:22] <Licaon_Kter> Wasn't Swift just a "demo client" for their commercial services and such?
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[18:43:57] <zinid> given there customers (mostly military), I don't think they demand a lot of features
[18:44:12] <zinid> *their
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[18:44:22] <zinid> damn, this there/their typos are annoying 😉
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