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[07:14:36] <Licaon_Kter> Why is the "translation cache" rebuild on every startup? This is the slowest operation. 😒
[07:15:02] <Licaon_Kter> Also, I don't use a translation either.
[07:16:57] <zinid> something is wrong with the translaction cache?
[07:17:37] <zinid> it's kept in $MNESIA_DIR/translation.cache
[07:18:13] <zinid> it's only rebuild if this cache file is older than any file in priv/msgs/*
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[07:18:38] <zinid> could you please compare timestamps?
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[07:19:46] <Licaon_Kter> Aaaanyway, I just restarted the node and it loops...loglevel5 and no error....oh fuuuuu
[07:20:27] <zinid> loops?
[07:21:47] <zinid> brb
[07:22:07] <Licaon_Kter> Starts...fails (no error)....starts...etc...
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[07:23:46] <Licaon_Kter> Oh, right, I remembered, when starting from systemd (with service, on boot, as expected) it will start-stop-loop without any error.
Buuuut, start it by hand with ejabberdctl and it works.... 😒
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[07:25:17] <zinid> great
[07:25:37] <zinid> well, I know nothing about systemd so cannot help
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[07:27:57] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah, I'll have to get to a proper keyboard and look at logs.
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[07:53:31] <jonasw> can somebody tell me whether ejabberd includes a <x xmlns="jabber:x:conference"/> payload in *mediated* MUC invitations?
[07:53:54] <jonasw> I found that prosody does this to accomodate legacy clients and I’d like to compare workarounds or ideally find more information about which clients need(ed) this.
[07:56:13] <zinid> mediated are those routed through the MUC itself?
[07:56:17] <jonasw> zinid, yes
[07:56:47] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/mod_muc_room.erl#L4201
[07:56:52] <zinid> it's included, yes
[07:57:09] <jonasw> thanks
[07:58:04] <jonasw> just to make sure I’m reading the code right: the reason goes into an attribute, not into text inside the <x/> element, right?
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[08:00:08] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/xmpp/blob/master/specs/xmpp_codec.spec#L2907
[08:00:12] <zinid> it's an attribute
[08:00:26] <jonasw> zinid, do you happen to know (or know where to find) why <x xmlns="jabber:x:conference"/> was included there in the first place? It is not in XEP-0045.
[08:00:36] <jonasw> prosody does something similar and a comment suggests that it’s a workaround for legacy clients
[08:00:45] <jonasw> unfortunately, I can’t find which those clients are and whether they’re still around
[08:01:03] <zinid> no, from what I remember it's been there since the very beginning
[08:01:46] <jonasw> okay, thanks
[08:01:51] <jonasw> beginning being 200x?
[08:01:55] <zinid> yes
[08:01:58] <jonasw> thank you very much
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[08:02:17] <zinid> I think 15 years ago is quite accurate 😉
[08:02:22] <zinid> so nobody remembers
[08:02:23] <jonasw> excellent, thanks
[08:02:24] <zinid> 😀
[08:02:28] <jonasw> this is all I need to know
[08:02:34] <jonasw> (the prosody workaround is slightly different and breaks things)
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[08:09:21] <Holger> jonasw: I would guess it's in one of the old JEP-0045 versions, you could check in the attic.
[08:09:24] <zinid> how a simple sub-element can break things?
[08:09:38] <Holger> jonasw: Half the MUC code is only specified there 🙂
[08:10:43] <jonasw> zinid, it’s text, and aioxmpp is strict in rejecting CDATA text where it doesn’t expect any
[08:10:45] <zinid> it's in XEP-0249
[08:11:21] <jonasw> so prosody adds the reason as text inside the (<x xmlns="jabber:x:conference">some reason</x>), and that is unexpected
[08:11:38] <zinid> ha
[08:11:51] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Your systemd unit file probably calls "ejabberdctl started" to check whether startup succeeded. This may hang quite a while if ejabberd is still in the process of starting up. I had to increase the systemd timeout on my servers.
[08:12:04] <jonasw> Holger, uhhh
[08:12:07] <jonasw> that was a good hint
[08:12:15] <jonasw> JEP-0045-1.19 in fact specifies it as text payload
[08:12:25] <jonasw> I’m gonna burn s omething now
[08:12:38] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I should probably set a larger timeout in the upstream unit file.
[08:12:55] <Holger> jonasw: 🔥
[08:13:02] <jonasw> thanks
[08:13:29] <zinid> > JEP-0045-1.19 in fact specifies it as text payload
wtf?
[08:13:36] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: it's the default one, with started yes, my RPi1B might not start that fast indeed. 🤔  Thanks forbthe tip
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[08:16:35] <zinid> ```
<x jid='darkcave@macbeth.shakespeare.lit' xmlns='jabber:x:conference'>
    Hey Hecate, this is the place for all good witches!
</x>
```
[08:16:41] <zinid> yeah...
[08:17:41] <zinid> so, strictly speaking, it's hard to classify this as prosody bug
[08:17:57] <zinid> jonasw, seems like you need a work-around 🙂
[08:18:35] <jonasw> I could open an ejabberd bug instead o:-)
[08:19:02] <zinid> I will refer to XEP-0249 and will open a bug in xsf/xeps 😀
[08:19:19] <jonasw> if you make a PR instead of a plain bug report, we have a deal ;-)
[08:19:32] <zinid> nah, I'm a busy man
[08:19:52] <jonasw> damnit!
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[08:49:55] <Holger> Andrew Nenakhov: Do you still stick to silent notifications on iOS by the way?
[08:50:18] <jonasw> thanks anyways o/
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[10:44:45] <nosnilmot> any thoughts on lager event handler exiting when extauth times out that I mentioned the other day? should I file an issue?
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[12:02:39] <Andrew Nenakhov> Holger, yes, if by silent you mean 'content-available' notifications
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[12:03:50] <Andrew Nenakhov> It makes things MUCH harder for us, but I hate the idea of transmitting message text via Apple.
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[12:05:04] <Holger> Andrew Nenakhov: Yes that's what I mean. Much nicer indeed but I'd fear it's too unreliable.
[12:05:32] <Holger> Andrew Nenakhov: But you said delivery was reliable in your tests, right ...
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[12:13:50] <Andrew Nenakhov> It's reliable, to a degree. Good thing is that once we'll have legal base to use VoIP notifications we won't have to change anything at all but a security certificate
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[12:15:21] <Andrew Nenakhov> Bad thing is that current notifications and vulnerable and are disabled if app is swiped off or device is rebooted
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[12:23:12] <Holger> Ah yes VoIP is the best solution of course.
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[12:29:52] <Andrew Nenakhov> Costly one. :(
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[12:52:39] <zinid> > any thoughts on lager event handler exiting when extauth times out that I mentioned the other day? should I file an issue?
Yes please, I just don't have time to look at it right now
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[13:30:32] <nosnilmot> ok, #2463 filed
[13:37:06] <zinid> Thx
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[15:46:01] <404> Offline messages do not work with Conversations. What could be the reason? The archive of messages is included. The message archive is working.
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[16:14:58] <Holger> 404: Conversations purges offline messages before querying MAM to avoid duplicated delivery. Why are you asking?
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[16:17:33] <404> Holger, Offline messages do not come if the person has disabled MAM
[16:18:19] <Holger> True!
[16:18:23] <Holger> 😁
[16:18:33] <Holger> Known issue ...
[16:19:35] <daniel> Yeah Conversations should either stop doing that or we do need a disco form to announce the current setting
[16:20:04] <daniel> Or could ejabberd disable offline messages per user if mam is enabled?
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[16:25:52] <Holger> daniel: MAM being enabled doesn't imply the user has a client using it.
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[16:26:17] <Holger> Disco sounds fine to me.
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[16:52:36] <404> daniel,  In Gajim I do not observe a problem. Maybe he will check "The option defines default policy for chat history MAM. "" before cleaning
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[22:15:55] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
> Licaon_Kter: I should probably set a larger timeout in the upstream unit file.
Yup, I see it start in ~35s but I put a `&& sleep 60` there just in case. 👍
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[22:21:06] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Sounds like a misunderstanding. I committed this:
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/00534d4566
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[22:45:24] <Licaon_Kter> Well I'm not verse in systemd unit writing, so I applied the right sized hammer that I had around. 😉
I'll test your commit too.
I actually added a `Requires=postgresql.service` there too just to be cool. 🤔
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[22:59:02] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, at least after 1 reboot youl commit works too. 👍
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