Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Sunday, July 1, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[05:30:50] <Licaon_Kter> At least now we know that those who name subdomains as xp/xu/xc/xm are using aenigma. 🤔
Also, did they enable MIX? Why?🙄
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[07:10:27] <debalance> Alacer: in time you'll find 18.06 in stretch-backports, stretch itself won't get a newer release.
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[07:27:33] <Alacer> debalance: Done man... Thanks... off course back Ports.... 😋😊☺ bt yes learned my lesson on aenigma...
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[09:45:09] <mightyBroccoli> debalance: if testing is needed I would love to test flight 😎 when I am back from greece
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[09:49:00] <zinid> Greece...
[09:49:00] <zinid> nice
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[09:57:58] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: my TV stations news fantasize that the current bad weather in Ro, Bg and Greece (floods) are Putin's hand... How is it that world cup has such good weather?🤔🙄🤣
[09:58:44] <zinid> good? it's fucking 40C here in Krasnodar 🙁
[09:59:25] <zinid> I need to go to the shop but I don't want to leave the house...
[10:00:13] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: last years at this time we were taking 40C daily...so...
[10:00:36] <Licaon_Kter> Now it's heavy rain by day, clear skies by night.
[10:00:59] <zinid> okay, that's Putin's hand
[10:01:03] <zinid> 😀
[10:02:05] <zinid> http://upload.zinid.ru/99bb0647172ef83f67aa892f2cd0f2fa9d04f206/J1ITGKSeBufLlY5WEPRlqKocbwcpDhLULqcYh0kD/0VkrUzzCRteg5f66eyd_Yw.jpg
[10:02:16] <zinid> it's Sunday and not a person
[10:02:20] <zinid> nobody wants to melt
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[10:02:46] <zinid> the city looks totally dead
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[10:03:59] <zinid> I will show you the same place in evening: it will be covered with people 😀
[10:06:44] <newbie> Anyone made a grok pattern for ejabberd logs to port to logstash?
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[10:08:45] <Alacer> https://venturebeat.com/2018/06/29/whatsapp-groups-can-now-be-restricted-so-only-admins-can-send-messages/
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[10:10:51] <Alacer> zinid: Man I live in remote area in Abu Dhabi and Temperature is 44C now...
[10:11:19] <Alacer> And ita working day here in UAE...
[10:11:25] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: this can be done with acls right? 🤔 But not clinet side
[10:11:39] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: cold day, right?
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[10:14:27] <zinid> Alacer, yeah, but it's normal in your location, and Russia is considered a cold place
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[10:15:30] <Holger> Alacer, Licaon_Kter: Can be configured client-side.
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[10:16:04] <Holger> Conversations doesn't have a knob for that but you can do it with desktop clients.
[10:17:52] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: ok nice
So, why are Telegrams channels so much praised then? NIH much?
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[10:23:01] <Alacer> zinid: I am from Lahore in Pakistani and its Hot in Summer like 48c and Winter also goes to -2C .... But this is july and we had 24C last week.... Is it Putin as well...???? :D
[10:23:29] <Alacer> it's called Paris Accord in Global Warming...
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[10:26:29] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter, Holger: Won't Mod MUC Room Options members_by_default or moderated could be used for same in casenif ejabberd
[10:27:23] <Holger> Yes.
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[10:37:49] <rom1dep> Alacer: was in Abu Dhabi this week, at least it's not humid yet. But Mediterranean weather feels gentle, almost cold in comparison 🙂
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[10:38:46] <rom1dep> ("only" 32°C now)
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[11:03:43] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: having this again with your files 🤔
```
D conversations: retrieve file size. interactive:true
D conversations: url: http://upload.zinid.ru/99bb0647172ef83f67aa892f2cd0f2fa9d04f206/J1ITGKSeBufLlY5WEPRlqKocbwcpDhLULqcYh0kD/0VkrUzzCRteg5f66eyd_Yw.jpg
D conversations: io exception during HEAD no content-length found in HEAD response
D conversations: io exception in http file size checker: no content-length found in HEAD response
```
But it works with `curl -I`
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[11:04:20] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, 😕
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[11:05:59] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, last time we checked and I got no request from you, according to tcpdump, so....
[11:06:06] <zinid> striclty speaking "not my files" 🙂
[11:07:08] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah it's an issue I need to pinpoint exactly😐
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[11:08:15] <Alacer> rom1dep: I live far from Abu Dhabi and last evening waa terrible...  A lot of Humid...
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[11:09:11] <4223> Alacer, Licaon_Kter, zinid: 20°C beautiful summersky in Berlin, thanks Putin. 😁
[11:09:18] <4223> https://uploads.trashserver.net/upload/526f9dda-7484-4081-b6b8-cc83ae8b9a83/RZ8yFDYOQ7aT6_Ic3m7-vg.jpg
[11:11:13] <Alacer> 4223: Wow.... it is Nice... Enjoy Man....
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[11:13:42] <4223> Alacer: Best for me. I do. 😎
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[11:56:11] <zinid> the new default config: https://gist.github.com/zinid/4af40a59230b2aca1dc0c2a4dbc8370b
[11:56:13] <zinid> discuss
[11:57:06] <zinid> oh, `mod_echo`
[11:57:07] <zinid> wtf
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[12:27:24] <rom1dep> zinid: do we need a new default config?
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[12:28:01] <zinid> rom1dep: yes, without bloat
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[13:09:30] <Licaon_Kter> No TLS related macros/b l,ck?🤔
[13:09:34] <Licaon_Kter> *block
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[13:19:24] <rom1dep> no http_upload?
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[13:27:50] <Alacer> > the new default config: https://gist.github.com/zinid/4af40a59230b2aca1dc0c2a4dbc8370b
> discuss
zinid: +1 for sure a clean default is required since long....
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[13:29:12] <Alacer> zinid: But that should be start to have the right modules config in there agree with Licaon_Kter and rom1dep on TOS and Http_upload especially after conversations
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[13:40:55] <Licaon_Kter> One thing that bothered me was the module order, they should be sorted alphabeticaly.
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[14:26:01] <Holger> zinid: Looks good to me. Regarding mod_pubsub, "hometree" can de ditched and I think "ignore_pep_from_offline" has no effect these days (and if it did I'd set it to "false").
[14:27:52] <Holger> zinid: I would mention mod_mam and mod_http_upload somewhere.
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[15:49:45] <zinid> Ok, all notes accepted
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[19:31:51] <zinid> Holger, the default value for ignore_pep_from_offline is `true`
[19:32:14] <Holger> Bad default these days.
[19:32:15] <zinid> Holger, should I set it to `false` in the config, or just remove it (assuming it should be `true`, as default suggested)
[19:32:40] <Holger> But as I said I think it's a no-op anyway.
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[19:32:50] <zinid> no-op?
[19:33:04] <zinid> just tell me what to set 😀
[19:33:09] <Holger> Our PEP is still broken and doesn't work if you're offline.
[19:33:28] <Holger> I.e. I won't get your avatar while you're offline.
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[19:33:35] <zinid> yeah...
[19:33:46] <Holger> I would say remove the option.
[19:33:57] <zinid> okay
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[19:34:33] <Holger> Once we fixed this we should behave like it was set to false without making this configurable.
[19:34:44] <zinid> last_item_cache has `false` as default, should I remove it too?
[19:34:57] <zinid> (it's set to `false` in the config)
[19:35:04] <Holger> No idea, this still has an effect.
[19:35:14] <zinid> so I remove it too then
[19:35:44] <zinid> ok, now to think what to do with mam, http_upload and TLS
[19:35:46] <Holger> There's this crappy mod_pubsub caching. Should probably be changed to use your ets cache instead.
[19:36:22] <zinid> Holger, yeah, but I would prefer not to touch mod_pubsub with 19 feet pole
[19:36:30] <Holger> Yup.
[19:36:55] <zinid> when I read its code I just get in rage
[19:37:15] <Holger> No idea whether that caching should be enabled by default. But it shouldn't be mentioned in the default config IMO.
[19:37:26] <zinid> so I removed
[19:37:31] <Holger> 👍
[19:37:45] <zinid> ok, now: mod_mam and mod_http_upload
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[19:37:57] <zinid> we MUST have them by default
[19:38:19] <prezident> holger: does that affect omemo for offline contacts, too?
[19:39:27] <Holger> zinid: Just add them commented out?
[19:39:59] <zinid> Holger, well, the point is that user configure as less as possible: only `host`
[19:40:20] <zinid> we should really strive for zero-conf as much as we can
[19:40:21] <Holger> zinid: Enabling requires admin (or at least distro package maintainer) action so I don't see how to do that.
[19:40:32] <zinid> what, mam?
[19:40:42] <zinid> why does it require admin actions?
[19:40:51] <Holger> SQL setup?
[19:41:11] <zinid> maybe we just keep Mnesia by default?
[19:41:11] <Holger> Well we could enable mod_mam_mnesia but meh.
[19:41:33] <zinid> Holger, I'm anyway going to make sqlite by default some days
[19:41:40] <zinid> actually this year
[19:41:58] <Holger> Yeah I'd be way happier with that.
[19:42:39] <Holger> prezident: It affects the very first negotiation between two devices yes.
[19:43:10] <zinid> ok, I will just enable mod_mam
[19:43:19] <zinid> and will set `mam: true` for muc
[19:43:38] <Holger> prezident: If you're offline, a device that never talked to you before won't be able to initiate an OMEMO session.
[19:43:43] <Holger> zinid: Ok.
[19:44:13] <zinid> Holger, I'm running my own server for a year already and have no issues with mod_mam_mnesia so far
[19:44:34] <Holger> zinid: What's the size of the table?
[19:44:50] <zinid> Holger, I can add a comment that mnesia is not recommended and can even add a warning in the log
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[19:45:15] <zinid> Holger, no idea
[19:45:51] <Holger> zinid: My table got borked a few times even though it was below the 2G limit, maybe once or twice a year. And I've seen others reporting this. I think this is a Dets bug.
[19:45:55] <zinid> $ du -hs ejabberd/dev/mnesia1/*
13M     ejabberd/dev/mnesia1/archive_msg.DAT
8,0K    ejabberd/dev/mnesia1/archive_prefs.DAT
...
[19:46:11] <Holger> Maybe it was fixed, actually haven't seen that reported in a while.
[19:46:13] <prezident> holger: ok, thanks, might be what was reported by a user
[19:46:39] <Holger> zinid: But my server had a few hundred users.
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[19:47:05] <zinid> Holger, ok, I'll set mod_mam with mnesia so far, then I'll try to bench sqlite, if everything is ok I'll just set sqlite by default in the config for every table
[19:47:13] <Holger> > Holger, I can add a comment that mnesia is not recommended and can even add a warning in the log
Sounds good.
[19:47:25] <zinid> ok, deal
[19:47:27] <zinid> next
[19:47:31] <zinid> http_upload
[19:47:33] <Holger> zinid: Cool.
[19:47:36] <zinid> why can't we configure it?
[19:47:47] <zinid> I mean why can't we set it by default?
[19:48:12] <Holger> zinid: I guess we can actually. Except certs?
[19:48:23] <zinid> certs?
[19:48:42] <zinid> it grabs certs from `certfiles`
[19:48:52] <zinid> certfiles:
  - "/etc/letsencrypt/live/*/*.pem"
[19:51:04] <zinid> ```
mod_mam:
    assume_mam_usage: true
    default: always
```
[19:51:08] <zinid> is it fine for mam?
[19:51:21] <zinid> we assume the server will be used with modern clients
[19:51:30] <Holger> We just the admin has set up Let's Encrypt (with those paths)?
[19:51:32] <zinid> nobody is going to install Tkabber these days
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[19:51:59] <Holger> zinid: Yes that's good then.
[19:52:10] <zinid> Holger, well, do you have better suggestions? Of course we can automate this via acme, but this requires more effort
[19:52:38] <zinid> acme automation is on my todo list for this year too
[19:52:47] <Holger> zinid: No I have no better suggestion.
[19:52:50] <zinid> (actually zero conf is on my todo list fro this year)
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[19:53:11] <zinid> I even played with uPnP library!
[19:53:17] <zinid> (yeah, there is some for Erlang)
[19:55:42] <Holger> zinid: We could also set this:
  mod_stream_mgmt:
    resend_on_timeout: if_offline
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[19:56:20] <zinid> noted
[19:56:57] <Holger> What would uPnP do for ejabberd?
[19:58:43] <Holger> zinid: The modules list currently isn't sorted strictly alphabetically.
[19:59:43] <zinid> I sorted it already
[19:59:54] <Holger> Ah k.
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[20:00:39] <Holger> You're totally working against my "not everyone should run an internet service" mantra BTW 😉
[20:01:17] <Holger> But also against the "Prosody is easier to set up" mantra. 👍
[20:03:38] <zinid> > not everyone should run an internet service
This is like trying to stop the rain 😀
[20:03:56] <zinid> You can rant or just accept it
[20:10:36] <Holger> I'll go for ranting!
[20:10:49] <Holger> I'm ranting about the rain as well.
[20:14:20] <zinid> mod_http_upload:
    put_url: "http://@HOST@:5280/upload"
[20:14:22] <zinid> is it fine?
[20:14:31] <zinid> (will cope with TLS later)
[20:15:23] <zinid> I don't like empty paths, a user will fuck up the configuration later by adding new paths *below* the empty path and this won't work
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[20:21:55] <Holger> Yes, fine.
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[20:27:04] <prezident> i dont see ignore_pep_from_offline affecting anything...
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[20:27:40] <zinid> [warning] Mnesia backend for mod_mam is not recommended: it's limited to 2GB and often gets corrupted when reaching this limit. SQL backend is recommended. Namely, for small servers SQLite is a preferred alternative and is very easy to configure.
[20:27:40] <prezident> the related function is commented out
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[20:28:20] <zinid> is this warning ok?
[20:28:54] <zinid> prezident, only Holger and chris understand that pubsub magic 🙂
[20:29:57] <prezident> zinid: question was if changing the option affects anything
[20:30:37] <zinid> prezident, well, I said kinda "no idea", and suggested who can answer
[20:30:52] <Holger> zinid: Sounds good, thanks.
[20:31:42] <zinid> Holger, nobody is reading logs, but when they face corrupted mnesia they will start reading logs and will see this warning
[20:31:53] <zinid> Holger, if their IQ is above 60 they won't come to our bugtracker
[20:32:02] <Holger> Or we can tell them that the logs would've warned them.
[20:33:19] <prezident> zinid: i dont understand why it is commented out, even though there is a commented trying to explain :)
[20:33:33] <prezident> comment...
[20:38:45] <zinid> the new config file version: https://gist.github.com/zinid/4af40a59230b2aca1dc0c2a4dbc8370b
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[20:39:50] <zinid> ah, mod_register is disabled 😕
[20:42:20] <zinid> I will enable it accepting from loopback only
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[20:48:26] <Holger> I was unsure whether to suggest mod_register :-)
[20:48:36] <Holger> From loopback only is a good idea.
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[20:51:13] <zinid> https://gist.github.com/zinid/4af40a59230b2aca1dc0c2a4dbc8370b#file-ejabberd-yml-L190
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[21:08:03] <zinid> ok, commited: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/77163c43d243daadcc351a8b26ed3b285d379d80
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[21:09:59] <zinid> and the result is here: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/ejabberd.yml.example
[21:10:22] <zinid> it's not written in stone ATM, so feel free to suggest
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[21:12:16] <Holger> 👍
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[21:15:54] <zinid> Okay, let's consider this as the first step to zeroconf ©®™
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