Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, July 18, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[09:58:24] <Licaon_Kter> 😂standards all over
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2535
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[10:11:11] <zinid> yeah, I'm full of this shit
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[10:31:41] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, commented :)
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[10:35:01] <Licaon_Kter> Amazon Aurora up next...but that is advertisod as compatible with both mysql and postgresql
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[11:22:16] <zinid> Yeah, I heard about it
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[11:51:02] <Holger> zinid: I think I'll deprecate the 'service_url' thing in mod_http_upload by spitting out a [warning] if it's enabled.
[11:51:19] <zinid> Holger: 👍
[11:51:23] <Holger> ... and recommend the 'external_secret' instead?
[11:51:35] <zinid> Yes
[11:51:36] <Holger> I guess it would be good if we had some docs on it.
[11:51:56] <zinid> Holger: feel free to create a PR 😁
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[11:52:10] <Holger> So as to not reference a page out of our control (the Prosody docs).
[11:52:12] <Holger> Yeah.
[11:52:34] <zinid> Btw, we are working on making doc repo available for merging again
[11:53:01] <Holger> 👍
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[11:53:28] <zinid> prefiks: you already did something for this? You told you have an idea on how to improve this
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[11:55:36] <prefiks> zinid: you are talking about doc repo?
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[11:57:40] <prefiks> i need to rethink this, as my solution was not possible (our doc generator is using heroku, and it doesn't support git submodules as i hoped) so i need to think about something else, probably just add script that will automatically apply changes from main repo
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[12:06:29] <zinid> Hehe
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[13:38:45] <madmalkav> Is erlang 21 supported / recommended ?
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[14:11:32] <zinid> I personally didn't try it yet
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[14:11:56] <zinid> but seems like ejabberd works with 21, at there was a single bug, and it's fixed in 18.06
[14:12:04] <zinid> *at least
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[14:13:30] <Holger> 21.0 failed to build for me, due to some build tooling foo (Erlang itself, not ejabberd).
[14:13:41] <Holger> But 21.0.3 (from Git) seems to work.
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[14:15:02] <madmalkav> Ok, will try
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[15:30:26] <Holger> zinid: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/326db5535c/ejabberd.yml.example#L42
[15:30:37] <Holger> zinid: No "starttls: true"?
[15:30:55] <zinid> no :)
[15:31:02] <Holger> Is it default or something?
[15:31:14] <zinid> no, the default is `false`
[15:31:41] <Holger> Yay.  This was not on purpose I guess? :-)
[15:31:48] <zinid> but since ejabberd now prints readable errors when certificate is missing we can set `true` indeed
[15:32:23] <zinid> actually it's on my todo to check if starttls is enabled and no certificates present then halt ejabberd at startup
[15:32:34] <Holger> Just spent 20 minutes telling a user to fix his damn /etc/letsencrypt/*/* permissions.
[15:32:36] <zinid> it just requires more code than I thought
[15:33:10] <zinid> Holger, yeah, absense of 'x' on directories is annoying
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[15:34:17] <Holger> Yes but my problem was that I didn't consider "starttls" might be missing.  Sigh!
[15:36:13] <zinid> ah
[15:36:22] <zinid> well, not my fault! :P
[15:36:31] <zinid> I just copied that stuff :)
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[15:38:37] <Holger> Hehe yes whatever, just saying we need to fix that or we'll get tons of tickets if we sell this as "works out of the box".
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[15:39:03] <zinid> and regarding filename:wildcard/1 - I think we should perform additional checks when it returns empty list
[15:39:23] <zinid> some heuristics crap :/
[15:39:40] <Holger> Yes will help in practice, sigh.
[15:39:57] <zinid> or else we will keep getting "bug reports"
[15:40:10] <zinid> that's just less evil
[15:40:56] <Holger> Yup.
[15:41:06] <zinid> the good side is that we are free to put whatever trash in misc.erl, so I don't bother a lot ;)
[15:41:27] <zinid> it's intended to be a trash :)
[15:41:36] <Holger> Hah!  That's my new file then.
[15:41:50] <zinid> Holger, did you read its header? LMAO
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[15:42:11] <Holger> Hah.
[15:42:18] <Holger> "For stuff from Holger."
[15:42:52] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/misc.erl#L6
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[15:45:24] <zinid> but we can remove it to holger.erl if you like ;)
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[15:45:45] <Holger> 👍
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[15:49:20] <VC> zinid: was read this https://blog.process-one.net/ejabberd_administration_from_command-line_xmpp_client_and_more/ , how I can enable on my server "Execute Command" menu on Psi
[15:49:42] <VC> on Psi - it is empty
[15:49:47] <zinid> VC, mod_configure
[15:50:06] <zinid> and also you need correct access rules in the config
[15:50:26] <zinid> acl:
  admin:
    user:
      - "user1": "zinid.ddns.net"
access_rules:
  configure:
    - allow: admin
[15:50:34] <zinid> that's the working rule
[15:50:48] <VC> yes, I have this
[15:51:25] <zinid> so you should see it in Psi's disco brower
[15:51:28] <zinid> *browser
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[15:54:41] <VC> I have menu on MUC - "Execute Command" but it is empty, mayby somethisng else I need to do? maybe any settings in mod_configure, because now it is mod_configure: {}
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[15:58:45] <zinid> on MUC?
[15:58:56] <zinid> did you open the disco browser?
[15:59:06] <zinid> I just checked, it works with just `mod_configure: {}`
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[16:00:29] <zinid> http://upload.zinid.ru/disco-configure.png
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[16:00:54] <VC> on Discover Services - I see this, I saw this before, but in that article I see that it is possible to show this dialogbox like in that article http://take.ms/1KyAE
[16:01:33] <zinid> wut?
[16:01:37] <zinid> I don't know about this stuff
[16:02:02] <zinid> and why are you clicking on MUC? it doesn't support service administration commands
[16:02:10] <VC> http://take.ms/kRfua
[16:02:21] <VC> maybe I am wrong
[16:02:46] <zinid> the list you see on that screenshot is inside the disco list
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[16:25:01] <Holger> zinid: I submitted a PR to enable TLS, also for s2s (optional) and HTTP upload.  I think nothing works if you don't.
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[16:25:18] <Holger> ... and to require it for c2s because credentials.
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[16:28:38] <Holger> Oh seems Conversations doesn't insist on HTTPS for upload?  I thought it did.
[16:28:55] <Holger> Maybe it was just Gajim or something.
[16:34:29] <zinid> Holger, https://dev.gajim.org/gajim/gajim/issues/9243
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[16:44:32] <zinid> so 3 contributions for today already, guy, that's too little!
[16:44:37] <zinid> try harder
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[16:45:20] zinid likes getting paid for clicking merge button
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[16:45:48] <zash> Automate it, get paid for doing nothing!
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[16:52:17] <zinid> But but I like clicking buttons
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[17:23:42] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: Hello issues with users unable to access webadmin
[17:24:05] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Because?
[17:24:15] <Licaon_Kter> Not on 5280
[17:24:19] <Holger> Aren't browsers starting to insist on HTTPS these days as well?
[17:24:31] <Holger> Is 5280 mentioned/linked somewhere?
[17:24:40] <Licaon_Kter> Iirc docs, brb
[17:25:23] <Holger> Ah in some examples, yes.
[17:26:39] <Holger> Well admins must fix their certs anyway and then it seems stupid to not use HTTPS for everything, especially as you also transmit credentials accessing the web admin interface.
[17:26:57] <Holger> We could leave the HTTPS listener on 5280, I don't care.
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[17:27:40] <Licaon_Kter> I agree
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[17:28:09] <Holger> Add redirect support to ejabberd_http and redirect from HTTP-5280 to HTTPS-5443 :-)
[17:28:25] <Holger> Let's see how long it takes until zinid regrets having pressed the merge button.
[17:29:14] <Licaon_Kter> He had http_upload on 5280, you moved webadmin to 5443 😂
[17:29:45] <Licaon_Kter> 14 mentions of 5280 here https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration
[17:30:11] <Holger> Yes the examples are all non-TLS.
[17:30:25] <Holger> I dunno.  Does anyone read docs?
[17:30:37] <zash> Nobody reads the docs.
[17:30:53] <Holger> I mean does anyone copy port numbers from docs?
[17:30:57] <Licaon_Kter> I read them once, had to make 3-4 PRs
[17:31:14] <zash> Maybe someone glances at the examples long enough to guess at things
[17:31:22] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: everybody copies, reading not so much
[17:31:24] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Submit another one, fixing 14 lines!
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[17:31:54] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: which one? 5444 to 5443 or 5280 to 5443?
[17:31:58] <Licaon_Kter> Or both?
[17:32:15] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe later 🙄😥
[17:32:33] <Holger> Oh 5444?  I missed that.
[17:32:56] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: no
[17:33:00] <Holger> Ah that's my own default in mod_http_upload.
[17:33:14] <Holger> Overwritten by the default ejabberd.yml :-)
[17:35:04] <Holger> I think 5444 was to cope with previous stuff in ejabberd.yml.  Maybe I'll change the default in mod_http_upload to match ejabberd.yml.
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[17:36:09] <Holger> I guess nobody relied on it anyway, everyone explicitly specifies the put_url.  (Famous last words.)
[17:37:10] <Licaon_Kter> I was used to see webadmin/bosh/ws on 5280 and http_upload en 5444, but I guess it makes sense to have them all in the same place
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[17:38:20] <Holger> zinid: Maybe mention HTTPS on 5443 in the release notes?
[17:40:27] <Licaon_Kter> Why? Server admins already have their setup, noobs need no info about the past 🤷
[17:41:02] <Holger> Yeah, you're probably right.
[17:42:15] <Holger> Changing the default in mod_http_upload could break existing setups.  But not if I'm right that everyone specified the put_url anyway.
[17:46:29] <Licaon_Kter> How could it break existing setups? Anyone blindly copying .template to their .yml?
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[17:48:08] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: I'm thinking loudly about changing the URL in this line to <https://@HOST@:5443/upload>: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/1de69174ef9ff/src/mod_http_upload.erl#L228
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[17:48:36] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: That would break the setup of anyone who didn't specify a put_url in his ejabberd.yml but relied on the old default.
[17:49:07] <Holger> My assumption is that nobody does that so that changing this line neither helps anyone nor breaks anything :-)
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[17:50:29] <Holger> I'm just tempted to do it because having a default in the sample ejabberd.yml and a different default in the module seems weirdo.  If a user tells me "I'm using the default an nothing works" I'll have to ask "what default?".
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[17:51:25] <Licaon_Kter> Oooooh, nooot that...
[17:51:38] <Holger> Don't touch it, you say?
[17:51:56] <Holger> I could submit a PR, then it's zinid's fault.
[17:52:21] <Holger> He was asking for more contributions anyway.
[17:52:45] <Licaon_Kter> Ok,  no, yes do it, but do add the info in the release notes, that's fairgame.
[17:52:59] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, having the different is strange
[17:54:31] <Licaon_Kter> I hope they use the templates/examples and specify the url, but who knows. The thing is, since it works and ejabberd does not complain there will be some that just use that.
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[17:56:44] <Holger> Everything would be so easy without users.
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[18:26:29] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: admins are special users
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[21:18:30] <Holger> zinid, MattJ: https://github.com/weiss/ngx_http_upload
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[21:19:04] <zash> Where's the one using nginx Lua stuff?
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[21:20:49] <Holger> Initially I was going to use Lua, but the Lua bindings aren't shipped with Nginx.  They're maintained by some third-party company which I thought sucks a bit.
[21:21:05] <Holger> Though e.g. the Debian package does include them.
[21:21:26] <zash> Huh, I didn't know that.
[21:21:54] <Holger> https://openresty.org/
[21:22:59] <Holger> Perl is the only non-C option shipped with Nginx.
[21:23:38] <zash> Oh I thought openresty was more like a distribution of Lua API stuff
[21:23:40] <zash> Or something
[21:24:03] <zash> Maybe I should look into the Lua stuff in Lighttpd, see if that can be used
[21:25:45] <Holger> Yes they also offer a bundle that includes their bindings with Nginx and other Lua stuff.
[21:26:35] <Holger> The actual bindings is this: https://github.com/openresty/lua-nginx-module
[21:26:46] <zash> I think there's a thing that bundles even more stuff on top of openresty
[21:27:02] <zash> Some web-frameworky thing
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[21:28:36] <Holger> Ah.  Well anyway, seems this currently *is* well-maintained and probably way more powerful than the Perl bindings, which are quite limited.  I just didn't see a real downside in Perl for this use-case and preferred not to depend on such a third party.
[21:29:21] <Holger> But I wouldn't use the Perl API for anything non-trivial.
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[21:44:55] <zash> Holger: I'll add a link to that from the modules.prosody.im/blah external if that's ok
[21:46:22] <Holger> Yes sure.
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