Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[08:41:01] <madmalkav> Is there a site that saves the logs of this MUC for consulting?
[08:41:32] <zinid> https://process-one.net/logs/ejabberd@conference.process-one.net/
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[08:41:50] <madmalkav> Thanks
[08:44:04] <zinid> there is a problem with css though
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[08:49:34] <madmalkav> No problemo
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[09:03:18] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: we'll wait for the blog post when all this is "launched", don't disappoint! 😇
[09:04:39] <madmalkav> I can't publish shit, my employer won't allow me. And it is more or less already working to their specs. But those will change in the next developers' whim
[09:05:22] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: allow you to talk about tech? That's dumb
[09:05:25] <madmalkav> I have to play a little more with ldap roster on my test machine, and see why in that machine offline messages aren't working, but other than that,...
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[09:25:19] <madmalkav> But honestly, 95% of the time I invested in this project went on dealing with an insanely setup LDAP
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[09:44:29] <madmalkav> Ok, I have two machines, config is the same except for one havind shared_roster_ldap enabled. New installs against clean database. On the one with mod_roster_ldap I can't send offline messages. Any idea if there is something on shared_roster_ldap that can affect offline messages? Just to be sure while I go through this config files again
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[09:54:06] <madmalkav> Ok, I think the problem is my config file format perhaps
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[09:57:31] <madmalkav> LOL, I'm dumb
[09:58:00] <madmalkav> remember kids, APPEND_host_config if you want to append config, if you only use host_config it ignores the general config
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[10:25:59] <madmalkav> OK, so when I finish with other work my next step is to try on the test machine to cut off connection to the database and see how ejabebrd behaves , if it have a "degraded mode" , or it becomes unavailable or what, so I can prepare some monitoring and restablishment scripts
[10:26:03] <madmalkav> but now, lunch time 😃
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[11:41:13] <madmalkav> OK, so if I stop the database users aren't disconnected but no message is delivered no matter if the receiver is online or not. Good to know
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[12:02:41] <madmalkav> umm, receiving some messages duplicated, perhaps mod_offline and mod_mam overlaps?
[12:04:58] <zuglufttier> madmalkav, which client, is OMEMO involved?
[12:05:08] <zuglufttier> And which ejabberd version?
[12:06:28] <zuglufttier> I stumbled upon this as well, maybe you are affected: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/83e24628538cb
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[12:36:10] <madmalkav> clients I used for test were gajim (receiver) and swift (sender), on ejabberd 18.06
[12:36:53] <madmalkav> I didn't try anymore, I was on a meeting until now and my plan was to first see if there is some config I need to do to make mod_offline and mod_mam play along well between them
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[12:46:31] <Holger> madmalkav: Yes, with Gajim as the recipient (and OMEMO disabled) you'll receive those duplicates on 18.06.  You need the patch zuglufttier mentioned.
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[12:47:55] <madmalkav> Ok, zero worries then, I will update on next ejabberd release, don't think it will be a problem before that
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[12:53:47] <madmalkav> I'm thinking of opening a feature request for LDAP_SEARCH_TIMEOUT to be configurable , anyone thinks it is a bad idea for some reason or shall I proceed?
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[13:06:20] <zinid> madmalkav: I think there is already such issue, and it is even assigned to me
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[13:08:34] <madmalkav> Searched for ldap_search_timeout and didn't found it, but perhaps the name of the variable is not mentioned
[13:08:47] <madmalkav> Will verify before opening
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[13:10:19] <zinid> madmalkav: check issues assigned to me
[13:10:28] <zinid> It's quite recent issue
[13:10:45] <zinid> I think it has ldap tag
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[13:12:43] <madmalkav> you are right
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[13:15:06] <Licaon_Kter> https://convorb.im:5444/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/xJ685YqaFGfOsoDGxc7xt3QsdoNpUQ1WepkwvYz5/vK-z2XP2TWuPN2LE2qcqjg.jpg
[13:15:13] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: it matters look
[13:16:40] <zinid> rats
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[14:04:11] <mightyBroccoli> A friend of mine just found a random problem with the register captcha, at least as long as I configured everything correctly.
The registersite and the captcha is behind a nginx reverse proxy, Captcha is set up with a captcha_limit. If the register site is reloaded many times in a short period one can reach this limit which results in the captcha not being displayed ( missing image, because of "overload" ). If one reloads the site some more the captcha field disappears and you can register without the captcha successfully.
[14:05:33] <zinid> lmao
[14:05:55] <mightyBroccoli> is that intended?
[14:06:09] <zinid> what module is this?
[14:06:22] <zinid> I guess mod_register_web
[14:06:26] <mightyBroccoli> I think so yes
[14:06:49] <zinid> well, that's normal, it's written by badlop
[14:07:40] <mightyBroccoli> its written in shell which is nice that its limited but it should break the register until it is ready again. right?
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[14:09:13] <mightyBroccoli> I am not sure if this is exploitable in the mod_register module but it should work the same there
[14:09:33] <zinid> mod_register is not affected
[14:10:14] <mightyBroccoli> would mod_register just break or return unavailable?
[14:11:01] <zinid> it returns the correct error message: captcha limit or something and doesn't allow you to register
[14:11:13] <zinid> once again: that's stupid badlop's code in mod_register_web
[14:11:52] <mightyBroccoli> should I open an issue for that?
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[14:12:10] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/mod_register_web.erl#L363
[14:12:20] <zinid> yes, I will not touch that pile of shit with 18 meter pole
[14:12:29] <zinid> badlop will fix it, maybe
[14:12:35] <zinid> that's a security hole by the way
[14:13:21] <mightyBroccoli> did I do something good for today?
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[14:21:57] <mightyBroccoli> ok opend the issue #2553
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[14:23:30] <zinid> thanks
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[14:28:22] <nosnilmot> lol, the way to defeat an anti-spam measure is to spam the anti-spam measure?
[14:29:16] <mightyBroccoli> Isn't that ironie 😂
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[14:29:29] <zinid> yeah, but I see more deep problem here
[14:29:53] <zinid> some developers don't give a fuck on errors reported by functions they call
[14:30:08] <mightyBroccoli> That all servers secured with this kind of code is vulnerable by spamming f5.
[14:30:16] <zinid> create_captcha() returns errors on *purpose*
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[14:30:52] <mightyBroccoli> That's just lazy.
[14:31:51] <zinid> we don't need lazy developers, that's a root of all evils
[14:32:28] <zuglufttier> The laziest developer will create zero errors, so he never has to do a thing twice.
[14:33:45] <zinid> really, look at this brilliant code: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/mod_register_web.erl#L363
a function returned an error? fuck it, let's just draw the page
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[14:38:03] <edhelas> each time I'm trying to read erlang it just look some brainfuck to me
[14:38:21] edhelas is going back to his PHP code
[14:38:30] <zinid> said PHP developer
[14:38:33] <edhelas> :D
[14:38:58] <zinid> erlang is easy if you understand functional programming
[14:39:12] <zinid> and if you don't, you're just under-educated, sorry ;)
[14:39:27] <edhelas> that hurts my feelings
[14:39:46] <zinid> that was the intention :P
[14:40:04] <edhelas> coming from an erlang dev I'm not surprised anymore
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[14:48:18] <madmalkav> edhelas: same happens to me, as a sysadmin, I'm not seriously trained in coding but I can more or less understand small pieces of code... except when it comes to functional programming.
[14:48:30] <edhelas> EHEH
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[14:52:12] <zinid> I wonder how the majority of programmers resist to learn something new
[14:52:30] <zinid> honestly, I think *every* programmer should know:
1) C
2) Haskell
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[14:52:35] <zinid> that's bare minimum
[14:52:37] <madmalkav> the ones I know normally trust in stress , underpayment and general burnout
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[14:52:51] <madmalkav> that helps then a lot to not get crazy about trying to learn everything new
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[14:54:47] <zinid> well, the point is not to learn everything new under the sun
[14:54:59] <zinid> the point is to learn something very different from what you use
[14:55:25] <zinid> different software paradigms are awesome to know at least in general
[14:57:40] <madmalkav> Yeah, I understand what you mean, but here working conditions are pretty terrible for most coders, so most of end are just too tired, stressed or burned out to do that, unfortunately.
[14:58:42] <Link Mauve> zinid, a huge +1 to that.
[14:59:03] <Link Mauve> madmalkav, I have a good solution for that. :D
[14:59:30] <zinid> madmalkav, I understand those excuses, but in that case those people are not professionals
[14:59:39] <zinid> just a fact...
[15:00:27] <madmalkav> As some that almost died because of overwork and stress, I will not agree with you on this one 🙂
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[15:02:40] <zinid> that's okay :)
[15:03:20] <zinid> a lot of people don't agree with me on this, but that's my personal opinion ;)
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[15:04:37] <zinid> madmalkav, imagine a doctor who doesn't want to educate
[15:04:40] <madmalkav> Talking about stress, time to leave the office and go to the beer club :D
[15:04:54] <zinid> and still uses outdated methods to treat people
[15:05:14] <zinid> and those doctors also say: we are just to busy/stressed/tortured/etc
[15:06:26] <zinid> although we can understand them, I don't think we want to be treated by those doctors ;)
[15:08:32] <madmalkav> Here most coders are doing 50-60 hours a week for 900€ , it is pretty hard for a lot of people to be fresh and have time enough to study after that
[15:09:00] <zinid> I think I do more hours per week coding :P
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[15:09:44] <madmalkav> Youare not in a software factory with stupid managers that doesn't know shit about coding asking for impossible deadlines :)
[15:10:00] <zinid> yeah, I know, just kidding :P
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[15:11:03] <madmalkav> I understand how someone with a good worki g enviroment and earning enough can do a shitload of hour because it is not only your work but something you really like. Sadly here that is uncommon
[15:11:38] <Link Mauve> zinid, I do definitely more, and only get unemployment funds for that, so about half of what madmalkav is talking about. ^^'
[15:11:47] <Link Mauve> And this is France.
[15:12:04] <madmalkav> Ouch
[15:12:25] <zinid> unemployment funds? sorry, what does that mean?
[15:12:50] <Link Mauve> zinid, basically when you’re unemployed here, you get some money.
[15:13:10] <zinid> you're unemployed???
[15:13:23] <Link Mauve> But since I worked in the UK before and they have even more terrible laws than in France, I only got six months of 75% of my previous salary.
[15:13:27] <Link Mauve> Yeah, since November.
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[15:14:00] <zinid> may I wonder why?
[15:14:04] <zinid> no decent job?
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[15:15:11] <Link Mauve> I was tired of working for a capitalist and to have no energy in the evening to make progress on the projects I actually cared about.
[15:15:29] <zinid> fuck capitalism
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[15:30:27] <rom1dep> It's either UBI generalized over the next decade(s) or a dystopian society where the 0.1% richest own robotic militias to control the rest of the population, or something alike
[15:31:21] <zinid> UBI?
[15:31:36] <zash> universal basic income?
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[15:33:56] <zinid> how can it be generalized? what does that mean?
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[15:34:31] <Link Mauve> rom1dep, I’d recommend reading Bernard Friot (or watching one of his conferences) to understand why UBI can actually be a weapon against the working class.
[15:35:58] <Link Mauve> Giving us the absolute bare minimum to survive and destroying all other benefits and cotisations and such is actually the capitalists’ wet dream.
[15:36:35] <MattJ> Link Mauve, how is it different to what you're doing now?
[15:36:43] <Link Mauve> MattJ, it’s not. :)
[15:36:52] <MattJ> Except right now it has more conditions attached
[15:37:23] <Link Mauve> The idea of UBI is also that you remove a ton of financements that would otherwise go to people who need them.
[15:37:48] <rom1dep> Link Mauve: I know
[15:38:04] <Link Mauve> Under the name of streamlining the flow of money (from those who own to those who don’t).
[15:38:49] <Link Mauve> It’s a very dangerous direction for us.
[15:39:01] <rom1dep> I'm not saying it's different than now, i.e. it's still a question of who decides how the cake is sliced
[15:39:22] <rom1dep> But we won't be able to avoid much longer the elephant in the room
[15:40:07] <rom1dep> Which is that humans need not apply, all the while wealth is overproduced
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[15:54:33] <zinid> does anyone know decent general tree implementation in C?
[15:54:49] <Link Mauve> Probably in Linux.
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[15:55:05] <Link Mauve> I’ve once used their rbtree implementation in another project.
[15:55:19] <zinid> isn't it a binary tree?
[15:55:32] <Link Mauve> That’s a red-black one.
[15:55:41] <Link Mauve> They have other tree structures in there.
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[15:58:03] <zinid> nah, I need something like trie
[15:58:09] <zinid> I have file-system like structure
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[15:59:51] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: why isn't badlop in this MUC?😁
[16:00:17] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, probably he is joined the old one  😁
[16:00:53] <Licaon_Kter> 🙃
[16:04:08] <badlop> i'm camouflaged, so you can't see me
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[16:09:41] <Licaon_Kter> _it's the invisible man_
[16:10:57] <zinid> it's probably a very great idea to hide from ejabberd community, being a ejabberd developer ;)
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[16:12:08] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: compared to the Conversations MUC this is empty and silent
[16:12:26] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: haw many dickpics did this room get?
[16:12:46] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, enough for this room :D
[16:13:05] <zinid> I don't think we need any more dickpics ;)
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[17:44:12] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: dickpic^?
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[18:18:25] <zinid> Yeah, African
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