Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, August 8, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[07:05:43] <cromain> vanitasvitae: the arm installers does not support these options. you need to run this
[07:06:09] <cromain> cd /opt; /tmp/ejabberd-installer.run mydomain.tld
[07:07:01] <cromain> this will install /opt/ejabberd-18.06 configured for mydomain.tld, then start ejabberd and register your admin account
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[08:53:59] <MattJ> How does ejabberd order items in a pubsub node? If an item is re-published does it remain in the same position or bump to the top?
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[08:57:32] <cromain> items are sorted by creation time. re-publish does not change order
[08:58:40] <edhelas> this is I think bringing consistency, this behavior can still be mimic by deleting and re-publishing the item with a new id
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[15:25:01] <tyler> ChatSecure freezes up the whole phone on both iOS users who have tried it for me so far. Ugh.
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[15:34:53] <Licaon_Kter> It worked before? tyler
[15:35:48] <tyler> These are fresh installs. An uninstall and second install seems to have done the trick. Not an eJabberD problem just... can't seem to find a polished XMPP client for IOS.
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[15:37:11] <Licaon_Kter> 🤷
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[18:12:42] <tyler> I know this might not be the right audience... but... with Push working correctly... would you still expect to see iOS users drop "offline" when their phone puts their app (i.e. chatsecure) in the background?
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[18:13:17] <tyler> I see push reg working, but my test user seems to go off line a lot more than a Conversations user...
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[18:20:01] <Holger> > I know this might not be the right audience... but... with Push working correctly... would you still expect to see iOS users drop "offline" when their phone puts their app (i.e. chatsecure) in the background?
Short answer, yes. mod_push is about generating notifications when the client is disconnected.
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[18:20:57] <Holger> mod_push_keepalive tries to make the session appear online despite the client being disconnected, but this won't always work with ChatSecure (long story).
[18:21:03] <tyler> Thanks Holger. Would it be expected to work in group chat just as well as DM's?
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[18:22:21] <Holger> You hit the nail. XMPP's standard groupchat solution requires the client to be online. Which is the main reason for the mod_push_keepalive hack I mentioned.
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[18:23:41] <Holger> When mod_push_keepalive succeeds in making ChatSecure appear online (despite being disconnected), groupchat notifications will work, otherwise it won't.
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[18:29:50] <tyler> Is this
>However, the normal session resumption timeout is restored once a push notification is issued, so the session will be closed if the client doesn't respond to push notifications.
Referring to the long-story chatsecure issue you mentioned?
[18:30:09] <Licaon_Kter> tyler: seeing the same too, but it works so I don't care
[18:30:30] <Licaon_Kter> ^"as offline"
[18:30:33] <Holger> tyler: No that's just explaining how mod_push_keepalive is supposed to work.
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[18:34:01] <Holger> tyler: The problem is that mod_push_keepalive requires the client to explicitly re-enable push notifications whenever the client opens a session. Push clients are supposed to do that, but for some reason, ChatSecure re-enables notifications only *sometimes*. Notifications will still work (as the client enabled them during an earlier session), but mod_push_keepalive won't.
[18:34:35] <tyler> Weird... know if there's an open issue for that?
[18:34:41] <Holger> This would have to be fixed on the ChatSecure side.
[18:34:50] <tyler> Yeah, I meant on their repos.
[18:35:48] <Holger> I mentioned it in one of the various push issues deep in the long list of comments. Not gonna search from my phone.
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[18:36:43] <Holger> Chris responded something like "well yes dunno not so easy to fix because dunno". Or at least that's what I recall 🙂
[18:36:58] <Holger> Opening a new issue might be worth a try.
[18:38:56] <tyler> Haha
[18:38:59] <tyler> Thanks
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[18:45:43] <tyler> Holger, do you have a preferred iOS client when it comes to ejabberd feature compatibility?
[18:45:56] <zuglufttier> That would be ChatSecure...
[18:46:36] <Holger> Monal is the other one you could try.
[18:46:48] <tyler> Not being able to receive group chat messages because of a flaky push implementation is a pretty big hit against ChatSecure... Wonder what the others are missing. Heh.
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[18:47:57] <Holger> But Monal is currently not available in Europe because of the author's GDPR paranoia.
[18:50:42] <Holger> tyler: I was serious when suggesting a new GitHub issue. I wasn't interested enough to open one myself so far, but if you open one, I'll subscribe it and comment if Chris has any questions. He might not be (fully) aware of the issue, and sometimes he does fix things.
[18:51:21] <tyler> Does GDPR do anything of any substance? So far it just seems like more click-through popups that i'm sure count as "consent".
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[18:51:40] <tyler> (Genuinely curious... haven't followed it at all because News just makes me mad)
[18:52:36] <zuglufttier> tyler, there have been some improvements. For example, take denic.de: Before GPDR everyone could look up your address, just by searching your domain.
[18:53:27] <zuglufttier> But now only you can do that, sure police or some other organizations as well, if they really need to.
[18:53:42] <zuglufttier> That's just one example.
[18:53:56] <zuglufttier> But apart from that, it won't change too much in general, I guess.
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[19:04:57] <tyler> Ah. I know my DNS provider allowed me to pay for their "privacy service" or somesuch. And now it's free. Thanks GPDR!
[19:05:00] <tyler> https://github.com/ChatSecure/ChatSecure-iOS/issues/1048
[19:05:06] <tyler> Not sure if I captured it well enough or what.
[19:05:07] <tyler> But there it is.
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[19:14:05] <tyler> So with chatsecure in broken-mode... ostensibly if you said something in a group chat... I would get a push for that... and then I would drop off out of the chat. Wouldn't get pushes for any more group chats, but would for direct chats. Then when I saw that notification, hit the notification on my phone, and ended up back in chatsecure, rejoiend to the chat, looking at the chat history, I'd be all "Yay look at all this chat that happened" and might not realize that I had even missed other notifications, because basically the one push notification I got served to tell me that SOMETHING happened while I was gone?
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