Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[00:56:59] <dos> hmm... after registering user1@vhost1.com, I can't register user1@vhost2.com - ejabberdctl register fails with "Error: conflict", while user2@vhost2.com registered fine. is this by design, or something wrong in my config?
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[01:00:30] <dos> focus121: you probably need to wrap the whole last argument (all the options) with quotes, so it won't get split into separate arguments
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[01:15:29] <Odin> dos: what are you using as a database?   I noticed that when I converted to postgresql, I had to split my database by domain so my users wouldn't cross-contaminate each other.  (ie. user1@example-a.com == user1@example-b.com )
[01:15:56] <dos> sqlite
[01:16:26] <dos> well, I could go back to mnesia for user credentials I guess
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[01:17:15] <Odin> You can, or split them by domain
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[07:29:56] <debalance> http://blog.iec61850.com/2018/07/iec-tc-57-just-published-fdis-iec-61850.html
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[08:11:52] <zinid> debalance, where is the document itself?
[08:13:37] <debalance> zinid, it's a Norm (with f'in copyright), so you either must buy it or be part of some organisation that has access.
As a student of RWTH, I could download it at https://www.perinorm.com/
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[08:14:22] <zinid> that's retarded
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[08:14:49] <zinid> the standard for those with money
[08:14:57] <zinid> poors pass by
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[08:16:26] <debalance> https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/63532
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[08:19:28] <debalance> Yeah, I hate it, too. Especially since Norms are often referred to by law.
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[14:25:33] <Alacer> But that's one way for standards organization to make money, also with something referred by law means it has been through some regulatory body scrutiny which costs... Though I also hate the same especially what then the paying members and sponsoring organization pay for...
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[17:54:43] <marc> zinid, what version >= 18.06 do you recommend? Is there already a new release scheduled?
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[17:56:25] <zinid> marc: this is the last one
[17:56:49] <marc> zinid, I know, maybe you recommend a specific commit after 18.06
[17:57:03] <marc> Because hotfix...
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[18:13:00] <zinid> marc: dunno, unlikely
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[18:14:09] <marc> zinid, okay, thanks
[18:16:20] <Alacer> marc: Why are you asking...?? any specific issue/ patch?? the best way is to compile using Git Repo...
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[18:19:01] <marc> Alacer, because I have in mind that some time ago the release version had a bug or something like that
[18:19:59] <Alacer> ahh....ok
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[18:43:28] <Licaon_Kter> marc: it's ok...fixed some issues for me 😎
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[18:48:42] <marc> Licaon_Kter: for examle? Push with CS maybe? 😗
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[18:58:02] <Alacer> marc: Push with CS works quite well.... in 1806 but follow Zinid and Holger's config for PubSub, and mod_push....
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[18:59:22] <marc> Alacer, with an upgrade to 18.06 or even before? because one CS user doesn't get push notifications
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[19:01:57] <Alacer> marc: the rest are getting...?? please note that the latest release of CS with 1806 works like always with push but if you have old CS release it doesn't... ask the user to check app store for any updates as CS team has patched and tweaked their own Push Serveice I believe as it was way too much Overloaded to its capacity...
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[19:02:39] <marc> Alacer, I have only a single CS user and can't test it myself
[19:03:00] <marc> Alacer, just saw that there are some push changes in 18.06
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[19:03:54] <Alacer> marc: Ok then please make sure they have the latest CS. Yes in 1806 it is related to http upload, and for Push I am not sure but follow:
[19:05:35] <Alacer> Holger and zinid for server config.....
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[19:08:11] <Holger> marc: So you're using 18.06 or an earlier release?
[19:08:37] <marc> Holger, Earlier release
[19:08:48] <marc> thinking about upgrading to 18.06
[19:08:51] <Holger> Which one? :-)
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[19:10:49] <marc> Holger, 18.04
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[19:15:40] <Licaon_Kter> marc: as said, push is ok in 18.06 yes
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[19:23:24] <Holger> marc: Yes with 18.04 it won't work.
[19:23:59] <marc> Holger, okay, that's nice hear, really :)
[19:24:05] <Holger> It worked "sometimes" in the past, but ChatSecure's push service setup was recently changed and now *requires* the change added to 18.06.
[19:24:57] <marc> Okay, good. I'll upgrade it soon then. Looking forward to make this CS user happy :)
[19:25:01] <Holger> With 18.06, this config would help:
modules:
  mod_push:
    include_body: "New message"
With the next release, this will be the default (so "mod_push: {}" will do the trick).
[19:25:33] <marc> Holger, will this message displayed?
[19:25:36] <Holger> marc: You also want to enabled "mod_push_keepalive: {}" if you haven't already.
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[19:26:05] <Holger> marc: No, that's just dummy text.  You can specify 'include_body: "fuck iOS"'.
[19:26:19] <marc> Holger, not even on the lock screen?
[19:26:38] <Holger> It won't display the text you configured.  Nevertheless ChatSecure will often display such a text instead of the actual message, yes.
[19:27:17] <marc> Holger, so what happens with the configured text if CS doesn't use it?
[19:27:45] <Holger> Their push service will *try* to wake the app.  If this succeeds, the app replaces the "New message" lock screen text with the actual message text; otherwise the user will just see "New message" notifications.  Depends on circumstances.
[19:28:17] <Holger> marc: Nothing; long story.
[19:28:36] <marc> Oh man... :D
[19:28:42] <Holger> Yes.
[19:30:11] <Holger> marc: In the end this config lets ChatSecure push backend distinguish between notifications generated for actual chat messages and notifications generated for other things.  This way ChatSecure's push service is able to decide whether or not to generate such a "New message" notification for the case where the app can't be woken.
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[19:31:21] <marc> Holger, okay, what's the problem in all this crappy setup? iOS, implementation or XEP?
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[19:46:04] <Holger> Depends on point of view.  The way push is designed in XMPP doesn't play well with Apple's push service.  One part of the problem is that we'd like to generate notifications for non-message events to wake the app (without notifying the user), mainly (but not only) because groupchat notifications are otherwise hard to implement.  This is due to XMPP's outdated groupchat design.
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[19:47:47] <Holger> Assuming we fixed this, the remaining part of the problem is those ugly "New message" notifications.  Apple's idea is that you send the actual message text over their push service, which of course many XMPP people typically don't like because privacy.  So we send "New message" instead.
[19:49:18] <Holger> If Apple's push service would support waking the app without generating a lock screen notifications (like Google's does), that would solve both issues.
[19:50:11] <Holger> Another workaround would be adding VoIP support to ChatSecure, because for VoIP apps, Apple *does* support such wake-up notifications.
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[19:52:33] <marc> Holger, ah okay
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