Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Saturday, August 25, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[05:26:11] <zinid> eldritch abomination? LMAO
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[09:12:49] <Alacer> > WTF is kubernetes?
> And the name is so ugly? ?
Its Docker Containers management and auto spawning etc...
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[11:54:04] <404> zinid, Holger does the postgres database use one core or multiple cores together with ejabberd?
[11:54:28] <zinid> 404: multiple
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[11:58:15] <404> zinid, Thanks. It's good. I finished test exporting the data to postgresql. I would not like to get into the situation that I had with Prosidy. Prosody fell due to the fact that one core was small.
[11:59:17] <404> I used Prosody before.
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[12:00:52] <zinid> Yeah, I know, I think you told that befort
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[12:06:47] <404> I realized that I caused a big load on the processors earlier. They were spammers. They opened many connections with different servers.One core does not survive under such a high-load.
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[12:08:37] <zinid> Yeah, single core server software in 2018 looks ridiculous
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[12:10:15] <Licaon_Kter> 404: `sql_pool_size: X` where X is numb of cores
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[12:14:25] <404> Licaon_Kter, Is this setting relevant for postgresql?
[12:14:31] <Licaon_Kter> 404: yup
[12:14:45] <Licaon_Kter> 404: it defaults to 10 for some reason
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[12:15:49] <404> Licaon_Kter, Thanks
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[12:19:59] <Link Mauve> 404, core count doesn’t really matter during a DDoS.
[12:20:11] <Link Mauve> At best you’ll get spammed more.
[12:20:20] <Link Mauve> At best you’ll get spammed faster.
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[12:29:13] <mightyBroccoli> Link Mauve: look at it from the delivery stand point. You can deliver way more spam successfully with multiple cores involved.
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[12:29:35] <Link Mauve> mightyBroccoli, pretty much.
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[12:35:11] <edhelas> there's no way for ejabberd to announce the STUN/TURN services to the users?
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[12:46:30] <Licaon_Kter> edhelas: DNS?
[12:46:46] <zinid> edhelas, _stun and _turn SRV
[12:46:51] <404> Link Mauve, Spammers use a botnet from thousands of servers. They send one message from the server. This creates a load, as if there are thousands of users on the server.
[12:46:53] <zinid> but nobody is using that
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[12:48:49] <Link Mauve> 404, the last time they took down my server, they used many accounts on just a handful of servers.
[12:48:52] <Link Mauve> zinid, Gajim is.
[12:49:04] <Link Mauve> zinid, is it a standard anywhere though?
[12:49:47] <Link Mauve> 404, no matter how much CPU time you allocate to your spammers, they will always surpass you as long as you don’t prevent them earlier.
[12:50:01] <Link Mauve> So your argument about CPU cores is useless.
[12:50:31] <zinid> Link Mauve, yes, it's a standard, it's described in the STUN/TURN RFCs
[12:51:52] <zinid> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5389#section-9
[12:52:00] <zinid> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5766#section-6
[12:52:05] <Link Mauve> Great. :)
[12:54:22] <404> Now I do not have statistics. When this happens I will provide statistic
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[13:13:39] <zinid> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17833362
[13:14:14] <zinid> Further discussion is funny
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[13:33:43] <Licaon_Kter> From the ejabberd news thing, apropos IRC and XMPP and such
https://bensima.com/2018/05/designing-open-standards-with-the-minority-rule/
Thanks marek
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[13:38:21] <404> https://blog.process-one.net/ has fallen
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[13:40:31] <404> hm. now did not fall
[13:41:02] <404> magic
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[17:22:03] <rom1dep> zinid: I just don't get why one's server would have to synchronize anything before exchanging messages. I don't know how Matrix works. That sounds incredible, and even more so that some people take it seriously and evengelize so much
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[17:23:27] <dos> Matrix is not a message passing protocol like XMPP. it's a protocol for synchronizing room state
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[17:24:14] <dos> IMO that makes it a pretty poor IM solution, but could be a great thing to be operated behind an XMPP frontend for instance
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[17:24:19] <rom1dep> Yeah, but why would you need to exchange that much/all? previous state to get started?
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[17:27:29] <dos> AFAIK it does something like git does - every new state is linked to the last one, so you can easily sync and merge
[17:28:51] <dos> (or if you want it to sound trendy... like blockchain does :v)
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[17:34:18] <rom1dep> *Merkle tree
[17:34:44] <rom1dep> But even that, git and mercurial have learned to have shallow clones
[17:35:14] <dos> it took them some time though. probably the same will happen with matrix
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[17:39:05] <rom1dep> It took them time because it took companies like Google and Facebook putting everything in a monorepo to start to use them and reach the limits (and it was "easily" done in a matter of weeks in the case of mercurial, not sure where git-vfs is at these days)
Matrix isn't even old, if the volume after couple years is enough to break the data layer and make the federation unusable, they should go back to the drawing board
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[17:43:07] <dos> agreed ;)
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[18:17:33] <Link Mauve> Hi, on https://blog.process-one.net/announcing-rtb-an-open-source-real-time-protocols-benchmark-tool/ there is a typo, s/lanuch/launch/
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[19:00:15] <edhelas> got ejabberd crashes on jappix.com
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[20:06:17] <zinid> rom1dep, that's crap, yeah, they are just rookies in the questions of distributed replication
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[20:06:55] <zinid> edhelas, what, it fully stops?
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[22:34:12] <bowlofeggs> is there a way to get mod_bosh to send back the Access-Control-Allow-Origin header?
[22:34:20] <bowlofeggs> if not, i guess i can just use a proxy server to do it
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