ejabberd - Thursday, August 30, 2018

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Thursday, August 30, 2018< ^ >

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[16:00:15] <zinid> damn, are there any browsers NOT consuming gigabytes of RAM?
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[16:00:48] <MattJ> lynx
[16:00:59] <zinid> I need to watch graphs...
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[16:01:21] <zinid> I tried surf and it's also shit
[16:01:29] <zinid> ah, and couldn't compile netsurf
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[16:03:38] <zinid> I think they consume gigabytes because it's much easier to say that "the program consumes 5 Gibabytes" instead of "the program consumes 147 megabytes", 4 is much easier to say and remember
[16:03:43] <zinid> I really see no other reason
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[16:04:27] <zinid> *5 is much easier to remember
[16:04:37] <Licaon_Kter> Xombrero ?
[16:04:45] <Link Mauve> I came to the conclusion that it’s not browsers which are terrible (mostly), but websites we view in them.
[16:05:03] <zinid> Link Mauve, I view my own site :)
[16:05:09] <Link Mauve> Firefox is already taking 1.2 GiB here, for just 3092 open tabs…
[16:05:28] <zinid> Link Mauve, it's a dozen of gnuplot generated graphs with 1 seconds reload
[16:05:43] <Link Mauve> So gc issues?
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[16:06:06] <zinid> I don't know, I already included "Cache-Control: no-cache", doesn't help
[16:06:13] <zinid> still accumulates gigabytes
[16:06:16] <zinid> fucking crap
[16:06:51] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: dwb browser?
[16:07:01] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, dwb?
[16:07:16] <zinid> damn, to google that I need to open firefox again...
[16:07:34] <Licaon_Kter> A webkit one yes, was usable on RPi1 at one point,...
[16:07:55] <zinid> webkit is crap, it's the main reason why the browser consumes gigabytes
[16:08:05] <zinid> at least surt uses webkit and is leaking as fuck
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[16:08:09] <zinid> *surf
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[16:09:10] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, anything not webkit based?
[16:09:22] <zinid> I either cannot find or cannot compile :/
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[16:11:25] <Licaon_Kter> Palemoon ? It's not Gecko anymore iirc
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[16:14:58] <zinid> I would love to look at the programmer who starts the program and at startime it consumes 800Mb and s/he looks at it and says: "fuck yeah, cool, that's what I wanted"
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[16:17:58] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: why did you buy the ram sticks if you don't want to use them ⁉️
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[16:18:55] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, well, I ordered a new desktop today and spent 500 euros for it (just the box) and it has "only" 8Gb RAM
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[16:19:45] <zinid> the point is actually it's vice versa: I need so much RAM to run poorly written shit
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[16:23:32] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: what's in the box?
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[16:25:13] <404> Now only two main browsers are Chromium base and Firefox base. Older browsers consume little memory, but they are old
[16:25:48] <Link Mauve> Licaon_Kter, just a few years ago my main computer had 192 MiB of RAM.
[16:26:02] <404> Firefox 3.6 runs on 256 megabytes of RAM
[16:26:05] <Link Mauve> Firefox with extensions to aggressively close inactive tabs was ok.
[16:26:21] <Link Mauve> But the web in general made it unpleasant.
[16:26:55] <Link Mauve> 404, Firefox 63 also works on that.
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[16:27:31] <Licaon_Kter> Now you complain when we banned Flash and ActiveX? Oh FFS, never satisfied...
[16:28:10] <bowlofeggs> Firefox's container feature is pretty rad
[16:28:54] <bowlofeggs> if you aren't familiar, it lets you map certain domains to namespaces that you define, and that namespace has its own set of cookies
[16:29:16] <bowlofeggs> and so you can have a container for, say, twitter
[16:29:27] <bowlofeggs> and if you have twitter in a tab, it can see your twitter container's cookies
[16:29:30] <bowlofeggs> but other tabs cannot
[16:29:58] <bowlofeggs> so you can auth to twitter when you want to be auth'd, but they can't track you via their "tweet" buttons on other websites you visit
[16:30:19] <bowlofeggs> (i also use the umatrix plugin to actively block the "like"/"tweet" buttons on other sites)
[16:30:31] <Link Mauve> Licaon_Kter, I stopped using Flash more than ten years ago.
[16:30:42] <Link Mauve> On this same 192 MiB of RAM machine. :)
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[16:30:48] <Link Mauve> And for that very reason.
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[16:31:47] <zinid> current web is inefficient, to say politely
[16:32:08] <zinid> we in fact just download a code and execute it in the most inefficient way one can imaging
[16:32:11] <zinid> *imagine
[16:32:31] <bowlofeggs> no argument from me :)
[16:32:38] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: so many tracker scripts, not enough bandwidth
[16:33:05] <bowlofeggs> umatrix really helps though ebcause it blocks the junk out of all the nasty things that sites try to do to you
[16:33:17] <bowlofeggs> well, not *all* the nasty things
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[16:33:37] <bowlofeggs> basically it blocks content from other domains, and you can create policies to allow when you want
[16:34:14] <bowlofeggs> it's complicated to use (so aimed at "power" users) but i've noticed that sites go a lot faster when google's ugly JS and cookies are disallowed
[16:34:19] <bowlofeggs> google--
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[16:34:39] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, palemoon is okayish, thanks
[16:35:08] <zinid> consumes only 250Mb at a single tab with 10 images: great progress so far
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[16:36:40] <Licaon_Kter> bowlofeggs: yes, but it takes time and patience to gather all the right domains to whitelist
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[16:37:20] <bowlofeggs> it really does
[16:37:28] <bowlofeggs> not for the faint of heart
[16:37:33] <bowlofeggs> the web is just… broken
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[16:39:27] <zinid> Licaon_Kter,
> what's in the box?
It's AMD Ryzen 5 1600 with 8Gb RAM, and the cheapest videocard (I'm not a gamer), nothing extraordinary
[16:40:28] <Licaon_Kter> https://convorb.im:5444/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/5nOyYP83R5m1iKH8s6hhpeVDCrC0PUMKT71gKCWe/iHe0c6l1STOO5mHB50-FVQ.jpg
[16:40:35] <Licaon_Kter> bowlofeggs: ^^^^^ plus on desktop I'd add Google/Facebook/Twitter Container addons and you've covered a lot of it. uMatrix is for the advanced users.
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[16:42:42] <bowlofeggs> yeah ublock origin is great too
[16:42:48] <bowlofeggs> i also use privacy badger
[16:42:56] <zinid> seems like it's only me who concerned about efficiency, others are obsessed with security :)
[16:43:04] <bowlofeggs> i wish the container thing was available in the mobile version of FF
[16:43:08] <bowlofeggs> and i have no idea why
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[16:43:26] <bowlofeggs> zinid: yeah privacy is a big motivator for me - it's also why i use ejabberd :)
[16:43:35] <zinid> mobile version of FF performs terribly, at least on my phone, it's sluggish as fuck
[16:43:40] <bowlofeggs> (to be slightly on-topic ☺)
[16:43:46] <bowlofeggs> zinid: yeah it's not fast
[16:44:00] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: nice Ryzen, saw some 1700X at ~200€ these days, thinking I'd put that 10year old microATX case to good use (had 100h only) and update my server to a proper machine with gigabit ethernet🤔
[16:44:47] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: cutting scripts/servers gets efficency as a bonus to security 👍
[16:45:13] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: did they fix the GCC bugs on Ryzen on Linux?
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[16:45:27] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, dunno
[16:45:29] <zinid> what bugs?
[16:46:11] <zinid> I actually don't follow hardware trends, I just bought what I bought to fit the budget
[16:46:38] <zinid> I will probably buy some more RAM later, hehe
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[16:48:09] <zinid> and yeah, CPU+RAM is 50% of the box price, so when some javascript monkey tells you "hardware is cheap" feel free to spit in his face :)
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[16:50:40] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: summary here
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=new-ryzen-fixed&num=1
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[16:53:26] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, hum, what about Ryzen 1600?
[16:54:16] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: don't know what series...maybe you're ok
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[16:56:51] <zinid> looks like only Ryzen 7 series is affected
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[17:06:45] <zinid> > it appears to affect Ryzen CPUs manufactured prior to week 25
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[17:08:09] <zinid> so it could be affected, I'll check it in the store when I'll be receiving the hardware
[17:08:33] <zinid> thanks for the info
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[17:29:15] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: when you get it maybe test it a bit with either
https://github.com/suaefar/ryzen-test/
Or
https://github.com/Oxalin/ryzen-test/
[17:29:50] <zinid> Yes, but I hope I won't need the test 😀
[17:30:06] <zinid> I'll check the part number
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[23:44:05] 4223 leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Timed out waiting for stream resumption (connection-timeout)
[23:45:51] genofire leaves the room: Stream closed by us: system-shutdown
[23:45:51] genofire leaves the room: Stream closed by us: system-shutdown
[23:59:58] Holger leaves the room: Stream closed by us: Replaced by new connection (conflict)

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