ejabberd - Thursday, September 13, 2018

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Thursday, September 13, 2018< ^ >

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[07:58:16] <DeathStar> hi2all
[07:58:43] <DeathStar> Help please
[07:58:52] <DeathStar> i have error
2018-09-13 07:57:24.948 [error] <0.170.0> External eimp process (pid=88823) has terminated unexpectedly, restarting in a few seconds
[07:59:02] <DeathStar> Ejabberd 18.06 OS FreeBSD
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[08:06:29] <zinid> installation error
[08:07:04] <zinid> find `eimp` and run in from shell
[08:07:09] <zinid> *run it
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[08:26:38] <zinid> http://avro.apache.org/docs/1.8.2/spec.html
[08:26:51] <zinid> JSON idiotism culmination
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[11:55:35] <Licaon_Kter> https://hackernoon.com/leaving-apple-google-e-first-beta-is-here-89e39f492c6f
_You can host your own email, storage, calendar etc_...but Signal for SMS and Telegram for chat? Wut?🤷
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[11:57:18] <zuglufttier> Also a fork of LineageOS.
[11:57:45] <zuglufttier> Pretty uninteresting if you ask me because every device will need a maintainer for Lineage *and* the other OS.
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[12:04:04] <daniel> It's the first time I'm hearing about that project but from a first glance it sounds more realistic than Librems approach of 'I don't like Google let's create or own phone and operating system'
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[12:09:18] <Licaon_Kter> daniel: they're not creating, but using hardware and Linux
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[12:11:45] <zuglufttier> daniel, it will change nothing. Google has to provide Android for them and they will be actively working around restrictions from Google.
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[12:13:23] <Licaon_Kter> zuglufttier: also projects like this keep the image that Android is not mostly closed and controlled by Google, hence bonus points for Google 👌
[12:14:08] <Licaon_Kter> daniel: Librem is XMPP first...don't say anything negative duuuudeeee
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[13:26:31] <mightyBroccoli> > daniel: Librem is XMPP first...don't say anything negative duuuudeeee
Isn't Librem using matrix as thier main provider for text messages?
[13:27:27] <jr> mightyBroccoli: not at the Moment because the matrix client wouldn't be finished at the release
[13:27:33] <jr> So the use xmpp
[13:28:27] <Licaon_Kter> mightyBroccoli: https://puri.sm/posts/librem5-progress-report-19/
[13:31:25] <mightyBroccoli> thats nice I think the phone they develop might actually be usefull :D
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[13:43:26] <zuglufttier> >‎15:27:27 ‎jr‎: mightyBroccoli: not at the Moment because the matrix client wouldn't be finished at the release
And they use libpurple for that :D
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[13:44:34] <mightyBroccoli> I hope with encrypted xmpp they do not mean otr.
[13:44:43] <L29Ah> i hope they do
[13:45:17] <zuglufttier> We all hope that but I think I read something about OMEMO.
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[13:46:07] <Licaon_Kter> Read the link. It's OMEMO
[13:46:10] <mightyBroccoli> Yeah I just checked they would like omemo encrypted xmpp. Don't know how far they got with libpurple though.
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[13:47:15] <mightyBroccoli> Weren't there inherent problems with libpurple and omemo? Maybe I am off the track here. Not sure.
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[13:47:43] <zuglufttier> Yes, it's not working yet.
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[13:49:06] <zuglufttier> "At the moment, there is no XEP-0313: Message Archive Management aka MAM support in libpurple, so there are no 'offline messages'."
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[13:50:57] <jr> Libpurple is this the thing from pidgin?
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[13:51:27] <MattJ> Yes
[13:53:01] <mightyBroccoli> Sweet that's the best 😂 it's about the challenge right? 😂
[13:53:26] <jr> I dont like pidgin
[13:53:42] <jr> It looks so old and doesnt feel featurecomplete
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[13:56:44] <edhelas> looks like they lack some XMPP insiders in their projects
[13:57:01] <edhelas> picking libpurple for a "future-proof" architecture sounds weird to me
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[13:58:08] <jr> edhelas: yes that is not really logical
[13:59:20] <zuglufttier> Many things you know from gajim or conversations will not work.
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[13:59:33] <zuglufttier> But maybe, just maybe, it will lead to new developers.
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[13:59:51] <zuglufttier> And we'll have another client that works.
[14:00:01] <zuglufttier> Plus Pidgin ;)
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[14:10:25] <edhelas> but now I'm curious about the state of Matrix with the Purism phone, I though that they had a partnership or something ?
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[14:23:35] <jr> I think they are getting to know that matrix isnt a really good protocol
[14:23:44] <Licaon_Kter> edhelas:
> but now I'm curious about the state of Matrix with the Purism phone, I though that they had a partnership or something ?
How big is the NewVector (aka core) team?
[14:24:07] <Licaon_Kter> > Otherwise, the Riot team has got sucked into working on commercial Matrix stuff, for better or worse (all shall be revealed shortly though!)
https://matrix.org/blog/2018/09/08/this-week-in-matrix-2018-09-07/
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[14:26:10] <edhelas> https://matrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Screen-Shot-2018-09-05-at-16.11.06.png
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[14:26:30] <edhelas> :D
[14:26:53] <edhelas> "everything is in the core then things are more consistants"
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[14:27:18] <jr> I though ypu dont need such charts in the matrix protocoll...
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[14:27:42] <L29Ah> is there one for xmpp?
[14:28:41] <jr> L29Ah: such chart
[14:28:43] <jr> ?
[14:29:05] <edhelas> L29Ah https://nl.movim.eu/?about#caps_widget_tab
[14:29:17] <edhelas> sorry for the narrow layout, it's a bug I'll fix tonight
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[14:32:48] <L29Ah> yeah
[14:33:19] <edhelas> it's dinamically generated from the capabilities :)
[14:33:28] <L29Ah> i wonder how the matrix ppl compiled all the info as they seem to lack the service discovery capabilities
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[14:33:35] <edhelas> so no need to maintain it like the matrix website
[14:33:44] <Licaon_Kter> edhelas: last week I said
> Regarding https://mobile.twitter.com/iNPUTmice/status/1036680902200287233
> The fully featured clients (E2E&VoIP) are those developed by the core team: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/clients-matrix 🙄
[14:33:58] <edhelas> by hand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[14:44:11] <mightyBroccoli> edhelas, thats pretty neat how often do you refresh the data?
[14:44:52] <edhelas> mightyBroccoli it's fresh from the Movim DB :)
[14:45:11] <edhelas> so no need to maintain it, the Movim users are updating that when they connect to their accounts
[14:45:15] <edhelas> same for the statistics
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[14:46:03] <mightyBroccoli> any performance problems?
[14:46:38] <edhelas> it's a couple of lines loaded from a SQL DB + a little PHP script to compile them
[14:47:02] <edhelas> the page takes 165ms to load
[14:47:33] <edhelas> no need to have cronjobs if the thing takes no time to run ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[14:49:03] <mightyBroccoli> sweet I though about that but iterating over the whole caps db seemed inefficient to me :D I think I will build something like that too in python for munin to show :D
[14:49:43] <edhelas> mightyBroccoli https://github.com/movim/movim/blob/master/app/widgets/Caps/Caps.php
[14:52:11] <mightyBroccoli> thanks :)
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[14:58:31] <Licaon_Kter> edhelas: mavim client 8%?🤷
[14:59:46] <edhelas> Licaon_Kter ?
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[15:03:09] <Licaon_Kter> *movim
[15:03:49] <edhelas> ah yeah, those are clients statistics based on the presences in the DB :)
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[15:06:06] <Licaon_Kter> Fun fact edhelas those myConversations* entries are from my builds of Conversations for some PRs or WIP testing 😂
I've dropped APKs in the Conversations MUC for people to test.
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[15:07:17] <edhelas> Licaon_Kter you evil
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[15:08:57] <Licaon_Kter> _corrupting stats_ is my superpower
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[15:09:30] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: I Installed the myConversations apk and it worked fine with me.
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[15:16:37] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: _another one bytes the dust_👌
[15:17:45] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: if you were not in the joke, I meant it corrupting XMPP client stats, since the resource is _myConversations3_
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[18:23:48] <marc> zinid, has mod_metrics negative performance impacts?
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[18:44:05] <zinid> marc, no, I think I fixed its performance issues
[18:44:21] <marc> zinid, do you use it?
[18:44:25] <zinid> no
[18:44:30] <zinid> I mean I personally - no
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[18:45:05] <zinid> it uses some weird backend
[18:45:34] <marc> yes, I see... :D but generates nice pictures :)
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[19:03:10] <marc> zinid, I have acl: admin: user: "admin@example.org" in ejabberd.yml and use acl:match_rule(Host, Rule, From) to check ACL but it always returns deny. Any ideas? Rule=admin, Host=<<"example.org">> and From=admin@example.org JID record
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[19:04:16] <zinid> you should define access_rules I guess
[19:04:50] <zinid> I think you cannot match against bare ACL rule because it's just an alias
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[19:05:00] <marc> oh
[19:05:01] <zinid> but I'm not sure
[19:05:17] <zinid> I think ejabberd.yml.example has quite exhaustive examples
[19:05:42] <marc> quite complex I would say
[19:06:02] <marc> what's the difference between ACL and access_rules? oO
[19:06:04] <zinid> yeah, the idea was to simply, but Pawel fucked up everything
[19:06:48] <zinid> marc, ACL is an alias, you can write access_rules without ACLs at all
[19:07:06] <zinid> ACL is a macro, simply put
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[19:09:05] <marc> zinid, nice, thanks a lot!
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[19:26:31] <marc> zinid, https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/x~P2vzQeJirhwYx3cYol8A
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[19:28:06] <zinid> a patch? so old school
[19:28:32] <marc> zinid, I can push via GitHub if you prefer
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[19:29:41] <zinid> yes, and actually I cannot apply patches from users bypassing github's PRs
[19:29:49] <zinid> this is due to copyright issues
[19:30:31] <zinid> don't ask me why, that's not me who invented those rules ;)
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[19:35:21] <marc> zinid, done
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[19:37:17] <zinid> merged
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[19:38:11] <marc> zinid, thanks
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