Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[05:58:43] <zinid> mightyBroccoli, what fragment?
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[06:28:36] <focus121> 404, Alacer: Okay, thank you
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[07:33:18] <mightyBroccoli> zinid: this one.
> https://hastebin.wiuwiu.de/kanopopaho.xml
[07:34:29] <zinid> what do you want to know?
[07:34:37] <zinid> these elements cannot be merged, no
[07:34:45] <zinid> see different FORM_TYPE value
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[07:47:15] <mightyBroccoli> Damn I missed that OK thanks that was my bad.
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[07:51:33] <zinid> > They SHOULD be returned in the requested order
I love when such stuff is written in RFCs
[07:51:39] <zinid> completely useless statement
[07:52:33] <zinid> as a receiver of the data you ignore this completely as there is no guarantee the SHOULD will be respected by the sender
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[08:13:58] <mightyBroccoli> zinid, I rewrote my servercontact plugin to use the base xml as slix seems to have issues with multiple x segments
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[08:29:14] <Holger> zinid: Yes, our specs are full of those braindead SHOULD clauses.
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[09:54:10] <Holger> Argh I did 914fae3d3edb as a local patch somewhere one or two weeks ago.
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[09:54:51] <Holger> prefiks: Maybe unwrap_mucsub_message/1 could go into xmpp/src/xmpp_util.erl (like unwrap_carbon/1)?
[09:55:41] <prefiks> yeah, possibly better place
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[09:56:30] <Holger> My interest is that I need it for a local mod_push patch ;-)
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[09:57:38] <prefiks> if you have some free cycles go for it, if not i will try to do that later today
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[09:59:17] <Holger> Not right now either, but I can do it later.  Whoever comes first wins.
[09:59:20] <Holger> Thx.
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[11:48:12] <zinid> Gajim's error reporting is awesome: "Has errors"
[11:48:25] <zinid> nuff said
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[12:15:10] <zinid> found Erlang bug in gen_tcp:accept/1
[12:15:28] <zinid> it stops ejabberd from accepting connections
[12:15:35] <Holger> Ugh.
[12:15:49] <zinid> seems like OTP-21 related, I didn't see it before
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[12:16:56] <zinid> https://github.com/erlang/otp/blob/master/erts/preloaded/src/prim_inet.erl#L344
[12:16:57] <zinid> this line
[12:17:23] <zinid> sometimes `Ref` doesn't match and thus this message is ignored
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[12:32:38] <Holger> zinid: \o/
[12:33:03] <zinid> So ERTS bug
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[12:34:27] <zinid> > Maybe unwrap_mucsub_message/1 could go into xmpp/src/xmpp_util.erl (like unwrap_carbon/1)?
We should move this stuff out of xmpp_util repo, so now we have a good opportunity 😁
[12:34:48] <zinid> *xmpp repo
[12:35:07] <Holger> Out of it?  Didn't you move it into it recently?
[12:36:06] <Holger> > sometimes `Ref` doesn't match and thus this message is ignored
So the problem isn't that no message is arriving but just that `Ref` doesn't match?
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[12:37:45] <zinid> > Out of it?  Didn't you move it into it recently?
Really, I did? 🤔
[12:38:02] <zinid> Holger: yes, ref doesn't match
[12:38:17] <zinid> It's sometimes +1
[12:38:52] <zinid> Nobody can count, remember? 😁
[12:39:32] <Holger> Ah, right.
[12:40:10] <Holger> > Really, I did?
Well maybe not that recently, but at some point you obviously moved it from ejabberd to xmpp :-)
[12:40:52] <zinid> Yeah, but we didn't have misc back then 😁
[12:41:13] <Holger> Well we had 'util' or something :-)
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[12:41:44] <Holger> Whatever, depends on what scope 'xmpp' is supposed to have, I don't care.
[12:41:51] <zinid> We had ugly jlib
[12:42:01] <Holger> That's what I meant.
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[12:42:29] <zinid> Holger: I don't mean to touch xmpp.erl, only xmmp_util.erl and only a single function
[12:42:37] <Holger> Oh.
[12:43:04] <Holger> So just unwrap_carbons() should be moved back to ejabberd?
[12:43:07] <zinid> That unwrap stuff doesn't belong to xmpp util
[12:43:11] <Holger> Ok.
[12:43:12] <zinid> Yes!
[12:43:15] <zinid> 😁
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[12:48:57] <Holger> k sounds easy, I'm the right man for the job!
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[12:53:25] <zinid> https://youtu.be/LikxFZZO2sk
[12:53:44] <zinid> New video from Boston Dynamics
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[12:54:50] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: we're dead
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[12:55:41] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: it's without gun so far
[12:57:23] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: they don't need this dexterity for guns, you can put a gun on any table with wheels and it's deadly already
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[14:43:19] <zinid> Holger, btw, this one is a consequence of yet another Erlang bug:
14:42:52.854 [warning] Unexpected info:
{timeout,#Ref<0.580756044.625475589.63792>,inet}
[14:43:51] <zinid> prim_inet:connect() doesn't filter this crap correctly so it's get passed to the caller
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[14:44:17] <Holger> Awesome.
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[14:45:33] <zinid> yup
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[14:46:03] <zinid> I didn't see it before, so looks like again OTP-21 related
[14:46:37] <zinid> their I/O rewrite went wrong :D
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[15:00:05] <bammes> still waiting for 18.09 to arrive on freebsd :(
[15:00:46] <zinid> it has arrived, no?
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[15:11:52] <Licaon_Kter> > The FreeBSD port of ejabberd 18.09 is available for testing: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=231767
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[15:13:47] <zuglufttier> bammes, https://www.freshports.org/net-im/ejabberd/ It's there ;)
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[15:24:24] <Licaon_Kter> zuglufttier: update conversations already :P
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[15:27:51] <zinid> yes, zuglufttier, it has a nice new icon
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[15:31:58] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: but inconsistent old splash....website.....eh...
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[15:32:18] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: https://github.com/siacs/Conversations/issues/3226#issuecomment-429348204
[15:32:24] <zinid> consistency is overrated
[15:33:24] <zinid> especially in Android where every developer thinks their app is a unique snowflake
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[15:34:23] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: yes..they even trademark titlebar colours
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[15:35:09] <zuglufttier> >‎[17:24:24] ‎Licaon_Kter‎: zuglufttier: update conversations already :P
I don't even use a smartphone anymore :D
[15:35:34] <zinid> zuglufttier, +1
[15:35:36] <zinid> old school
[15:36:02] <zuglufttier> It kept me distracted literally all the time.
[15:36:34] <Link Mauve> Welcome to the club!
[15:36:36] <zuglufttier> I kept it though and now use it for navigation every now and then.
[15:36:49] <Link Mauve> I stopped using mine about ten years ago.
[15:37:10] <zinid> ten years ago there were smartphones?
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[15:37:30] <zinid> the ones without touchscreen I guess
[15:37:31] <zuglufttier> I didn't even have a mobile phone until some years ago...
[15:37:44] <Link Mauve> I bought mine about ten years ago, then quickly switched to a pure offline mode, and then to not carrying it anymore once I bought a netbook.
[15:37:50] <Link Mauve> It had a touchscreen.
[15:38:08] <Link Mauve> zinid, this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
[15:38:19] <Link Mauve> zinid, this one: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
[15:38:48] <zinid> but, but I'm told Apple invented touch screens
[15:38:49] <Link Mauve> I’d have preferred to have a proper keyboard instead of a touchscreen, but I could plug in any USB keyboard so that was fine.
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[15:39:39] <zinid> yeah, touchscreens suck, no doubt
[15:41:10] <Link Mauve> Having USB host back when every mobile device only had device mode and OTG didn’t exist was great too.
[15:42:03] <zuglufttier> My main complaint with smartphones: They are made for consuming media but not for actual writing or creating anything.
[15:42:34] <zinid> it's well-known, yes
[15:42:41] <zinid> I wouldn't say that's bad though
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[15:44:04] <Licaon_Kter> Right, each platform with its strenghts
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[15:47:44] <Link Mauve> I would say that’s bad, but mine was better at producing it and worse at consuming it. :p
[15:47:55] <Link Mauve> Having a proper Linux environment did help a lot.
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[15:48:28] <Link Mauve> But then I didn’t have all of the Facebook and such applications, because they don’t care for Linux.
[15:48:47] <Link Mauve> And back then, if you were using Firefox it meant you were on desktop, so nothing was optimised for mobile.
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[19:22:17] <zinid> Link Mauve, I still don't have any facebook crap :P
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[20:06:08] <4223> zinid: 👍
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[20:08:41] <zinid> perhaps among whole FAANG Facebook is the most crappy one: it has zero innovation, only silo
[20:09:14] <zinid> blogs, pic hosting and IM, wow such innovative
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[21:50:05] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: ignore the discussed issue, look at what real people hassle with in the pics
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlecMuffett/status/964755289387012096
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[22:18:25] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: you mean texting using screenshots of the text?
[22:18:46] <zinid> fuck yeah, that's ridiculous
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[23:23:15] <Link Mauve> zinid, I still don’t either, but it’s my best example of a content consuming thing.
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[23:23:39] <Link Mauve> As opposed to creating anything.
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