Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, November 13, 2018< ^ >
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[08:38:34] <zuglufttier> The IM observatory on xmpp.net is broken...
[08:38:56] <zuglufttier> Is there another online checker with similair features?
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[08:39:03] <zuglufttier> Without entering account data?
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[08:43:21] <zinid> seems no
[08:44:02] <zinid> there used to be Holger's one, but seems like it's now redirecting to xmpp.net
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[09:32:19] <zuglufttier> There's something going on with the certificates on my new server (domain1.com). The new server fails to connect to my other ejabberd (domain2.com) but works with some other server just fine.
Log on domain2.com:
2018-11-13 10:29:12.949 [warning] <0.27671.3>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed:160 Failed to establish outbound s2s connection domain2.com -> domain1.com: Connection failed: connection closed; bouncing for 287 seconds
[09:33:06] <zuglufttier> On domain1.com, I get: 2018-11-13 10:29:02.746 [info] <0.595.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:init:280 Outbound s2s connection started
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[09:41:42] <Holger> zinid: Yeah my thing broke down for no apparent reason (I wasn't logged in nor were any packages updated at the point where it stopped working).
[09:42:18] <zinid> Holger, rude
[09:42:38] <Holger> I got useless traces because it was installed using some minification foo, so I tried re-installing without, that failed miserably, I gave up.
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[09:47:28] <daniel> I wonder how hard it would be to just rewrite that
[09:47:37] <zuglufttier> Is it possible that ejabberd caches certificates from other servers or something like that?
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[10:02:16] <Holger> daniel: jabber.at-Mati is doing that.  (He's using OpenSSL though, I couldn't convince him to just do the handshake manually, so now he'll have to decide whether to check for old or for new features.)
[10:02:27] <Holger> zuglufttier: No.  Why do you assume a certificate issue?
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[10:05:09] <zuglufttier> Holger, not really sure. I changed there something. I can communicate with dismail.de for example but not with my own server which used to work just fine.
[10:05:39] <Holger> Nothing in the logs of that server you can't communicate with?
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[10:06:07] <Holger> Can both of your servers talk to others?
[10:07:00] <zuglufttier> No, the new server says it's all fine.
[10:07:14] <zuglufttier> And they seem to communicate with other servers as well.
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[10:09:56] <Holger> You said "The new server fails to connect to my other ejabberd (domain2.com)" and your log snippets say the problem is other way round, this doesn't help me with naming the servers while making suggestions :-)
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[10:10:43] <zuglufttier> :D
[10:10:59] <Holger> > [warning] <0.27671.3>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed:160 Failed to establish outbound s2s connection domain2.com -> domain1.com:
[10:11:15] <Holger> I'd grep for 's2s_in.*domain2.com' in the domain1.com log.
[10:11:28] <zuglufttier> That's the old server trying to connect to the new one.
[10:11:50] <zuglufttier> On the new one, a connection is established.
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[10:12:22] <zuglufttier> Oh, wait.
[10:12:47] <Holger> You have an incoming and an outgoing connection.  Concentrate on the one that's borked :-)
[10:17:15] <daniel> Holger: link?
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[10:20:40] <zuglufttier> Holger, OK, both sides get no s2s_in at all from the other server.
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[10:21:52] <zuglufttier> And the new server will do this:
2018-11-13 10:45:49.856 [info] <0.612.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_success:216 (tls|<0.612.0>) Accepted outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication new -> old
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[10:22:30] <zuglufttier> And the old one:
2018-11-13 08:27:03.435 [warning] <0.26265.3>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed:160 Failed to establish outbound s2s connection old -> new: Connection failed: connection closed; bouncing for 27 seconds
[10:23:32] <Holger> "Accepted outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication new -> old" -- you should definitely see an s2s_in message regarding this on the 'old' server, if you have loglevel>=4.
[10:23:43] <Holger> But that's the working part so it's uninteresting of course.
[10:24:38] <Holger> I'd enable debug output on the new server and watch with the old one tries to connect.
[10:24:54] <Holger> I'd also double-check there's no [warning]s during startup.
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[10:25:10] <Holger> If all else fails, I'd watch with tcpdump/Wireshark ...
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[10:32:35] <zuglufttier> Holger, this is on the old server, logging level was too low...
2018-11-13 11:30:28.257 [info] <0.27272.3>@ejabberd_listener:accept:221 (<0.27944.3>) Accepted connection hidden_by_ejabberd:34275 -> 46.38.254.128:5269
2018-11-13 11:30:28.258 [info] <0.27944.3>@ejabberd_s2s_in:process_closed:131 Closing inbound s2s connection hidden_by_ejabberd -> honigdachse.de: Stream closed by local host: not well-formed (invalid token) (not-well-formed)
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[10:35:20] <Holger> Wat.  I can only find that in deps/fast_xml/test/fxml_test.erl ...
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[10:37:30] <zuglufttier> And it is working with another ejabberd as well :D That's the strange thing...
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[10:39:29] <Holger> I would "ejabberdctl set-loglevel 5" and check the traffic.
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[10:58:29] <zuglufttier> I hate that stuff.
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[11:08:19] <rom1dep> https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2018/11/11/http-3/  
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[11:10:23] <daniel> i find that link interesting. but why does Gajim think this is a mentioning me?
[11:10:56] <Licaon_Kter> daniel: it has AI ? :)
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[11:17:10] <rom1dep> daniel: coz regexes are hard 😉
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[12:17:41] <zinid> https://hackernoon.com/the-ethereum-blockchain-size-has-exceeded-1tb-and-yes-its-an-issue-2b650b5f4f62
[12:17:59] <zinid> suddenly!!!
[12:18:12] <zinid> who would have thought 🤔
[12:18:48] <daniel> shit; maybe i should reconsider the crypto currency integration into Conversations I was going to introduce tomorrow
[12:19:15] <daniel> are there SD cards that can store 1tb?
[12:19:47] <zinid> not sure, but the industry would love to create those
[12:19:59] <zinid> for $1000 or so
[12:20:24] <mrDoctorWho> There are from SanDisk
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[12:23:28] <zinid> doesn't matter, traffic is the major concern
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[12:23:50] <zinid> downloading 1TB even on desktop is a problem
[12:24:01] <daniel> 5G to the rescue
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[12:43:17] <zinid> http://upload.zinid.ru/99bb0647172ef83f67aa892f2cd0f2fa9d04f206/a7HPOS9uZFMrqsjzD1qhGn6rSciwsFVSAqiMfexR/9g7HzO5aSFSkFYbSW8A38Q.jpg
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[12:43:47] <zinid> damn, this ethereum Taliban is full of retards
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[12:44:14] <zinid> blatant exponential growth
[12:44:29] <zinid> so 1TB cards won't help
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[12:55:17] <edhelas> with the XML compression XEP that we're working on downloading 1TB of data will not be a problem soon
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[13:03:55] <zinid> it will be 2TB soon, then 4TB, then 8TB and so on
[13:05:32] <Steven Roose> Ethereum is a joke
[13:06:06] <Steven Roose> It's a nice toy project to do fun stuff with. Until you realize it will stay a toy project because it just can't go beyond that.
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[13:34:45] <zinid> oh, http3 is going out
[13:34:54] <zinid> http2 was shit
[13:35:12] <zinid> now they use UDP
[13:35:32] <zinid> so it will be tcp over udp now
[13:35:39] <Steven Roose> 😀
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[13:35:49] <Steven Roose> can't get any better, right?
[13:36:14] <zinid> Google must die
[13:36:21] <daniel> So dns over http3 is udp over http over udp
[13:36:35] <zinid> yes, sounds good
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[13:39:55] <jr> daniel: not just I think it's updp over http over tcp over udp xD
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[13:40:38] <zinid> I like how at HN someone asked: hey there is SCTP, and almost no one responded
[13:40:59] <zinid> fuck Google, fuck IT
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[13:43:14] <zinid> this QUIC shit (UDP transport) will be working in a user layer and it will use some crypto shit in order to reduce handshaking round-trip
[13:43:17] <rom1dep> zinid: Fuck antiscience in IT
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[13:43:59] <rom1dep> Let's do shit because it's hyped, yayh
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[13:44:11] <zinid> ddos will be gorgeous
[13:45:36] <zinid> rom1dep: hyped by one of the most shitty company - Google, aka Microsoft 2.0
[13:46:16] <zinid> "embrace, extend, extinguish" done right
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[14:15:27] <edhelas> so when are we releasing XMPP over UDP ?
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[14:20:23] <tyler> Remind me.... What's the proper way to clear message archive?
[14:20:35] <tyler> Or prune back to a certain number of days' history.
[14:21:42] <Holger> ejabberdctl delete-old-mam-messages all 30
[14:21:54] <Holger> ... to delete all MAM messages except for the last 30 days.
[14:21:59] <tyler> Had to restore server and apparently my crons weren't backed up.
[14:22:00] <tyler> Thanky.
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[15:05:05] <zuglufttier> Holger, meanwhile I started tcpdump on the new server and listened on port 5269. If I write a message to a contact on the new server, nothing will appear there.
[15:05:38] <zuglufttier> But I can connect to port 5260 via telnet and that will trigger something in tcpdump.
[15:05:45] <zuglufttier> But I can connect to port 5269 via telnet and that will trigger something in tcpdump.
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[15:07:42] <zuglufttier> That is very strange. At least to me :D
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[15:09:10] <Holger> You see the outgoing connection attempt in the old server's log?
[15:09:41] <Holger> I'd then also run tcpdump on the old server.  And check whether the target IP address is the expected one.
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[15:18:37] <zuglufttier> Can a server be blocked completely somehow?
[15:18:43] <zuglufttier> In ejabberd.
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[15:19:06] <zuglufttier> Writing to the new server won't do anything at all.
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[15:21:34] <Holger> So it no longer triggers the ejabberd.log entries about failed connection attempts you mentioned above?
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[15:22:50] <Holger> Debug log level should show you the DNS lookup.  I'd double-check it's resolving the name to the expected address (i.e., no /etc/hosts entry getting in the way or whatever).
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[15:31:55] <zuglufttier> The old server reports a 504 error to the client if I try to send a message.
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[15:44:21] <zinid> edhelas, btw, have you tried Solid yet?
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[15:48:06] <edhelas> what is solid ?
[15:48:46] <zinid> edhelas, yet another social network made by sir Tim Burnes-Lee
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[15:49:47] <edhelas> NIH
[15:50:02] <zinid> nah
[15:50:07] <zinid> it's just better than others (c)
[15:50:33] <edhelas> sure :)
[15:50:33] <zinid> taking a lot of hype btw, because it's from inventor of WWW
[15:50:56] <edhelas> also I don't like to see those new standards that are baked by the W3C
[15:50:59] <edhelas> like Activity Pub
[15:51:14] <edhelas> the Web is contained by the Internet
[15:51:49] <edhelas> so developping solutions on the Web already restricting it to some specific cases, ActivityPub is JSON+HTTP based
[15:52:11] <zinid> but why do you even need something that is not Web???
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[15:52:17] <edhelas> :)
[15:52:31] <zinid> you have json and nginx and javascript and react
[15:52:34] <jr> edhelas: activity pub does it's job pretty well
[15:52:35] <zinid> so you can do anything
[15:52:45] <edhelas> ActivityPub is magic, now let's do chat on ActivityPub, mhhh we need realtime... wait
[15:52:57] <zinid> edhelas, WebRTC
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[15:53:07] <edhelas> pliz stap
[15:53:11] <zinid> no
[15:53:33] <jr> > ActivityPub is magic, now let's do chat on ActivityPub, mhhh we need realtime... wait
Activity Pub isn't made for chat xD
[15:53:46] <edhelas> yup :) and is restricted to a couple of use cases
[15:53:58] <edhelas> which is great and bad at the same time
[15:54:04] <jr> But that's how software works
[15:54:08] <daniel> Well the apps that use activity pub are pretty polished
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[15:54:23] <daniel> I guess most users just want nice looking things
[15:54:29] <edhelas> they are, for sure
[15:54:45] <edhelas> if you compare to XMPP solutions, yes they are way more user friendly and polished
[15:54:51] <jr> Better have a sofware that does one little job very well than have a software that can do everything but not so good
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[15:55:31] <edhelas> yeah :) like Matrix
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[15:57:35] <jr> Yeay
[15:58:16] <jr> What I said is a design phylosophie that came from some Unix guys I think
[15:58:18] <zinid> or facebook app
[15:58:22] <zinid> or a browser
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[15:58:54] <zinid> jr, old-school unix way? nah, doesn't work these days
[15:59:12] <edhelas> jr so what do you think of something like XMPP and it's 400 XEPs ?
[15:59:25] <jr> OK with a browser it's complicated they are more like whole oses today
[15:59:53] <jr> > jr so what do you think of something like XMPP and it's 400 XEPs ?
It's extensible so a bit different
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[16:10:40] <Licaon_Kter> edhelas: how many are used commonly? 10-20?
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[16:19:58] <zinid> so, from the Solid webpage:
> A lot of people started creating the Web without any programming background, and in the future, this is what we aim at doing for the new Web
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[16:20:48] <zinid> so, let's rephrase it:
> A lot of people started make surgery without any medical background, and in the future, this is what we aim at doing for the health care
[16:21:05] <zinid> sounds solid
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[16:56:50] <Steven Roose> Holger, zinid did you have a chance to take a look at the issue I had with jcbrand yesterday?
[16:57:54] <Steven Roose> Basically what does a client do wrong when it gets a
`<body xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/httpbind" type="terminate" condition="other-request"/>`
or a
`<body xmlns="http://jabber.org/protocol/httpbind" type="terminate" condition="item-not-found"/>`
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[17:05:30] <jc> What I can say is between the "other-request" and the "item-not-found" stanzas, Converse tries to reconnect (i.e. establish a new connection)
[17:06:00] <jc> Also, laszlovl has also seen "other-request" when reloading the browser tab
[17:07:29] <jc> Is this perhaps related to the BOSH "hold" setting?
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[17:08:14] <jc> " This attribute specifies the maximum number of requests the connection manager is allowed to keep waiting at any one time during the session. If the client is able to reuse connections, this value SHOULD be set to '1'. "  https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0124.html#session-request
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[19:11:14] <mightyBroccoli> debalance, who long will the ejabberd package reside in testing? the tracker is not really obvious what is holding it there
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[19:15:49] <debalance> mightyBroccoli‎: until a newer version migrates from unstable or Debian makes a Release and testing turns into stable ;)
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[19:16:26] <debalance> I guess what you actually would like to know is when a Backport for Stretch will appear?
[19:16:33] <mightyBroccoli> what about backports, or am I completly off here?
[19:16:46] <debalance> Backports are a manual thing
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[19:17:35] <debalance> to create a backport, one has to rebuild the package in question on Stretch with an according changelog entry and upload that
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[19:22:35] <daniel> But when will that happen? ☺️
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[19:26:31] <mightyBroccoli> yes that is the question I would love the answer to
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[19:46:08] <debalance> I'll try to do it this weekend
[19:49:12] <mightyBroccoli> Would it be possible to automate this process?
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[19:51:11] <debalance> Yes, I have it mostly automated already, but not completely
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[19:54:28] <mightyBroccoli> would be perfect to minimize that timeframe
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[19:56:05] <debalance> absolutely right, I'll try to completely automize the process
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[20:18:23] <mightyBroccoli> that would be really nice :)
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[20:53:39] <Holger> Steven Roose, jc: Sorry I'm not into BOSH. Maybe I can have a look tomorrow. You don't have a trace of all traffic around these events in the debug log?
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[21:16:35] <zinid> same here
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[21:25:55] <Steven Roose> Holger, zinid: is it bosh or just http transports? Is websockets better, f.e.?
[21:26:37] <zinid> websocket is better because it's simple and you can use mod_stream_mgmt for c2s queue management
[21:27:06] <Steven Roose> K
[21:27:20] <Steven Roose> Because jcbrand had some argument against websockets but I forgot it
[21:27:40] <Steven Roose> Oh, not against. Just that he didn't have stream mgmt implemented anyway so wouldn't be better
[21:27:43] <zinid> IE6 support? :)
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[21:29:28] <Link Mauve> zinid, Converse dropped IE11 support recently.
[21:29:42] <Link Mauve> So, dropped IE support altogether.
[21:29:49] <zinid> just sarcasm
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