Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, November 27, 2018< ^ >
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[05:40:19] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: see #2425 response 😁
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[05:49:28] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: eh
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[10:45:12] <zinid> > xram@zinid.ru/gajim.51FA9AFS acknowledged 6 stanzas, but only 4 were sent
on and on this goes
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[11:01:05] <Holger> zinid: Hmm what version exactly?
[11:01:20] <zinid> of what?
[11:01:28] <Holger> zinid: Gajim.  lovetox tried to fix this some time in September or so.
[11:01:40] <zinid> ah, yeah, it's pretty old
[11:02:04] <Holger> Ah.  Good :-)
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[12:57:12] <Holger> zinid: Assume a user wants host-specific settings for outgoing s2s connections, e.g.:
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[12:58:43] <Holger> host_config:
  "example.com":
    outgoing_s2s_families: [inet6]
[12:59:22] <Holger> zinid: If I'm reading the code correctly, this currently won't affect outgoing traffic from conference.example.com.
[12:59:24] <Holger> Should it?
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[13:00:26] <Holger> Right now the user would have to specify the config for "conference.example.com" separately.  We could change this, but then it would no longer be possible to specify it separately.  Unless we add even more magic.
[13:00:41] <Holger> Probably nobody ever does such things so nobody notices.
[13:01:11] <zinid> Holger: hard to say, I need to read the source as well
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[13:01:56] <zinid> I think conference.x.y will derive options of x.y
[13:01:56] <Holger> ejabberd_s2s_out does calls like this one everywhere, where LServer is the 'from' address: ejabberd_config:get_option({s2s_dns_retries, LServer}, 2).
[13:02:15] <Holger> Hmm I couldn't find such magic in ejabberd_config.
[13:02:32] <Holger> I think it just falls back to global settings.
[13:02:38] <zinid> yeah, there is host_of_route/1 called
[13:02:58] <zinid> Holger: see init of ejabberd_s2s_out
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[13:03:23] <Holger> It's called to set server_host => ServerHost.
[13:03:30] <zinid> yes
[13:03:51] <Holger> But the ejabberd_config:get_option/2 calls use 'server' instead.
[13:03:59] <Holger> Which is the 'from' address.
[13:04:06] <zinid> really?
[13:04:12] <zinid> oh well
[13:04:49] <Holger> Maybe a good solution would be to keep it that way and have ejabberd_config fall back to host_of_route/1?
[13:05:23] <Holger> I.e. let it first try {Host, option}, then {host_of_route(Host), option}, then {global, option}.
[13:05:47] <zinid> I am not sure ejabberd_config should call to ejabberd_router... this is even more messy
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[13:06:06] <Holger> Hmm.  Would've thought it's awesome :-)
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[13:06:44] <Holger> Copes with all weird use cases you can think of, ejabberd best server in the world.
[13:06:59] <zinid> btw, host_of_route might fail with badarg
[13:07:16] <Holger> Yes sure, catch it, fall back to {global, option}.
[13:07:18] <zinid> and we will start seeing weird tracebacks
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[13:07:22] <Holger> Nah.
[13:07:24] <zinid> ok
[13:08:23] <zinid> well, I don't like the idea
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[13:08:48] <zinid> are there so many places that we need it so badly?
[13:08:57] <zinid> I recall only s2s
[13:09:17] <Holger> Ok.  The resulting behavior seems intuitive to me, but it's not like I really care.  Stumbled over it while fixing a different case (ejabberd_s2s_in offering the server_host certificate rather than the 'to' certificate).
[13:09:29] <Holger> I'll just fix that case and leave s2s_out alone :-)
[13:09:40] <zinid> 👍
[13:10:02] <zinid> virtual hosting is hard
[13:10:17] <Holger> Yeah, especially with XMPP's subdomain foo.
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[14:25:31] <zuglufttier> Btw: Subdomains are a problem: There's virtually no way a user will know which subdomains ejabberd will use if you set it up. If I had no experience, I'd get a certificate for example.org and think that that's enough. But instead, I need another for upload., conference., pubsub etc.
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[14:33:13] <Holger> Another reason for having ACME support built-in.
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[14:40:04] <zuglufttier> Not really, then ejabberd would use subdomains and certificates nobody knows about. It would get even more magic then. Some subdomains aren't even written in the config file.
[14:40:28] <zuglufttier> I'd say, if the subomains aren't written by hand into the config, ejabberd just shouldn't start.
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[14:42:59] <Holger> So no default value for e.g. mod_muc's "host" option?
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[14:43:39] <Holger> Maybe.  But most users don't read config files, so I don't think it'll change much.
[14:44:09] <Holger> I think you need either as much magic as possible, or admins who know what they're doing.
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[14:45:27] <zuglufttier> Default values are fine as long as they are written into the config ;)
[14:45:55] <zuglufttier> It should be obvious where those subdomains are coming from.
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[14:50:30] <Holger> Fine with me :-)
[14:51:07] <Holger> zinid: Of course s2s_in is using the config for 'server_host' rather than the one for 'to' everywhere :-)
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[15:41:18] <zinid> > Another reason for having ACME support built-in
I'm looking at it right now and the code is huge and not that great :(
[15:41:33] <zinid> but I agree, I even think this should be somehow automated at startup
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[15:42:45] <zinid> i.e. without calling any ejabberdctl commands: when there are no certfiles configured ACME is initialized
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[15:44:22] <bowlofeggs> i've not tried the built-in ACME - does it require port 80 or 443 to work?
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[15:44:45] <zinid> bowlofeggs, 80
[15:44:47] <bowlofeggs> i've just been using certbot
[15:44:49] <bowlofeggs> ah ok
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[15:45:12] <bowlofeggs> i use certbot with DNS validation currently
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[15:45:25] <bowlofeggs> that does sound nice though
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[15:45:49] <bowlofeggs> i've been thinking about setting up a "cloudy" test deployment of ejabberd so i can test my fedora packages when i make changes
[15:45:55] <bowlofeggs> and that ACME support would be nice for that
[15:46:13] <zinid> currently ACME support is limited to EC certificates only
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[15:47:11] <bowlofeggs> cool
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[17:48:24] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: that 411 update nuked all my bookmarks
daniel: is that expected?
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[19:38:50] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, all bookmarks where? in pep or private xml?
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[20:08:38] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: where Conversations stores them, don't know for sure
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[20:16:10] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, you can check sql tables
[20:16:27] <zinid> private_storage first
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[20:17:32] <zinid> although I think conversations use pep when 411 is advertised
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[20:18:53] <daniel> That is correct
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[20:26:37] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: more info pls
daniel: any thoughts on why the bookmarks went bye bye?
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[20:46:11] <daniel> Licaon_Kter, zinid: it's possible that on first load of the module you don't copy over private XML to pep. Thus only pep gets accessed and pep is empty
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[20:46:36] <zinid> ah, yes
[20:46:56] <zinid> that's a problem actually
[20:47:03] <Licaon_Kter> daniel: I've instructed my users to readd the MUCs for now
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[20:47:45] <Licaon_Kter> Anything that I can do to force this, I'm guessing old ones are in privateXML still!?
[20:48:37] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: `select * from private_storage where username='blah'`
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