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[08:53:53] <zinid> guys, carbons are supposed to be fixed in master
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[08:54:21] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/6cd8d1025c140df1d4c3e2c8ca059a09cc7497a1
[08:54:35] <zinid> this commit. can be applied cleanly on 18.12
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[09:02:06] <zinid> !version zinid.ru
[09:02:07] <Servant> zinid: zinid.ru is running ejabberd version 18.12.16
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[09:04:38] <rom1dep> > guys, carbons are supposed to be fixed in master
Awesome!
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[09:10:02] <Sergio> zinid: thanks a lot. I will update tonight
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[09:12:23] <Holger> zinid: Nice solution, thanks.
[09:13:00] <rom1dep> I think it was 2 years ago that carbons had broken similarly
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[09:14:14] <rom1dep> Time flies, things stay the same 🙂
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[09:15:31] <Holger> History repeats.
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[09:24:02] <lorddavidiii> cool thanks for fixing. I use the deb package from the website, I think I can not apply this patch. Will there be a 18.12.1 soon or have I to wait for a 19.01?
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[09:25:34] <zinid> lorddavidiii, there will no be 18.12.1
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[09:56:55] <Licaon_Kter> rom1dep: it's 18.12.9 for us nonMIX users ;)
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[09:58:52] <Licaon_Kter> Not enough memory to install a perl module :facepalm:
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[10:21:28] <rom1dep> Licaon_Kter: that's assuming the MIX branch is merged ^^
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[10:52:38] <Licaon_Kter> rom1dep: that's not what I've said :P
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[10:57:20] <zinid> rom1dep: it's not
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[11:12:48] <Holger> zinid: Carbons seem still borked :-/
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[11:28:48] <thorsten> Holger: no good news
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[11:33:57] <zinid> Holger: really?
[11:34:13] <thorsten> Bookmarks also still broken
[11:36:20] <Licaon_Kter> Look fine to me.... Strange....
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[11:37:33] <Licaon_Kter> *bookmarks at least
[11:38:14] <Holger> Bookmarks look fine to me too.
[11:38:22] <Holger> thorsten: Have you tested with transports disabled?
[11:38:29] <Holger> zinid: I'll dig further.
[11:39:13] <thorsten> Holger: I never got issues with bookmakers caused by my transports..
[11:40:44] <Holger> thorsten: You had issues with your server being overloaded due to transports, and therefore dropping stanzas.  The new bookmarks mechanism would be more prone to such issues.
[11:41:10] <Holger> thorsten: Just like the presence stanza loss you're seeing.
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[11:47:10] <thorsten> Damn
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[11:59:20] <Holger> thorsten: But that's just a wild guess.  I'm only suggesting to double-check whether you can reproduce the issue with transports disabled before making "bookmaks still broken" claims :-)
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[12:09:21] <Holger> Grrrr typed "q()." in a remsh.
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[12:11:06] <Sergio> Holger: whats the problem now with carbons after the zinid patch?
[12:11:25] <Holger> Sergio: I'm looking (next to my dayjob), dunno yet.
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[12:23:58] <Holger> <stream:stream xmlns='jabber:server' xml:lang='en-US.UTF-8' .../>
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[12:24:11] <Holger> Is that xml:lang invalid (according to RFC 5646)?
[12:24:16] <Holger> RFC too long!
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[12:55:40] <Holger> zinid: Seems Cisco Jabber sets xml:lang='en-US.UTF-8' and we accepted that in 18.09 but not in 18.12 (though your xmpp_lang stuff wasn't touched since May 30 it seems, don't quite get it yet).
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[13:02:57] <zinid> Holger: I added strict validation of language tags recently
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[13:03:39] <zinid> I cannot also say if it valid because the validator is generated from RFC's ABNF
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[13:12:23] <zinid> Holger: according to the RFC the only valid separator is hyphen
[13:12:36] <zinid> so it's an invalid tag
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[13:17:15] <Holger> > I added strict validation of language tags recently
Argh, now I see it, my xmpp repo was outdated.
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[13:45:55] <zinid> Holger, there is actually a bug in self-presence now, hehe
[13:45:59] <zinid> Holger, I'm checking
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[13:49:29] <Holger> zinid: Yeah, priority isn't set.
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[13:51:58] <Holger> So how can I hack my way around Cisco locally!  Prepend my own xmpp_lang.beam with no-op functions into Erlang's search path or something I guess.
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[13:52:42] <zinid> Holger, probably worth reverting that commit
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[13:53:36] <ma1uta> sorry
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[13:55:21] <zinid> Holger, regarding priority bug: I made a typo in lists:keyfind/3
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[13:55:33] <zinid> actually both tests have found the fuck up
[13:55:40] <zinid> travis and jenkins
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[13:58:04] <Holger> zinid:
> probably worth reverting that commit
The lang thing?
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[13:58:30] <zinid> Holger, yes
[13:58:57] <zinid> it seems like we cannot improve anything in our XMPP world without breaking backward compatibility
[13:58:59] <zinid> dead end
[13:59:03] <Holger> Sigh.
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[13:59:22] <zinid> Holger, or we can adjust the ABNF of course
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[13:59:47] <zinid> but Cisco devs are stupid assholes, as proven many times
[13:59:53] <Holger> According to https://insinuator.net/2013/04/a-word-on-cisco-jabber/ it's not just our Cisco Jabber FWIW.
[14:00:08] <Holger> Ah and the cisco.com server does the same thing.
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[14:01:01] <zinid> Holger, the better solution is actually to add a work-around to the ABNF of course
[14:01:12] <Holger> Yup.
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[14:01:54] <zinid> I mean xmpp_lang.abnf
[14:02:03] <zinid> not the RFC's one :D
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[14:02:04] <Holger> Assuming they don't support other languages we could just add "en-US.UTF-8" to the 'irregular' list.
[14:02:08] <Holger> Haha.
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[14:10:54] <zinid> Holger, if I understand the ABNF correct, adding "en-US.UTF-8" to 'irregular' rule should be enough
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[14:11:18] <zinid> *correctly
[14:11:37] <Holger> Yes I think so too, that's what I meant.  I was just unsure whether Cisco might also let the admin configure "ru-RU.UTF-8".
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[14:11:53] <zinid> yeah, I don't know :)
[14:12:06] <Holger> I could ask my Cisco co-worker ...
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[14:12:23] <Holger> Then again, whatever he responds, it might or might not be correct :-)
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[14:13:23] <zinid> otherwise we can expand 'langtag' rule
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[14:13:41] <zinid> langtag       = language
                 ["-" script]
                 ["-" region]
                 *("-" variant)
                 *("-" extension)
                 ["-" privateuse]
                 ["." encoding]
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[14:14:18] <zinid> encoding = "UTF-8"
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[14:16:07] <Holger> Yeah I guess that's better.  The only advantage I see in adding it to the 'irregular' list (with a comment) is that the deviation from the standard can be made more obvious.
[14:16:27] <Holger> Then again we can just add a comment next to the ["." encoding] line ...
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[14:17:17] <zinid> yeah, a comment MUST be added of course
[14:17:26] <Holger> Yes +1 to the 'encoding' solution.
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[14:19:22] <Holger> Hehe, Cisco admin is unsure, as expected.  "Can't find anything in the web interface, but there's all sorts of stuff you can configure on the command line."
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[14:21:04] <zinid> just like in ejabberd :D
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[14:59:36] <zinid> Holger, seems to be working:
7> xmpp_lang:is_valid(<<"en-US.UTF-8">>).
true
8> xmpp_lang:is_valid(<<"ru-RU.UTF-8">>).
true
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[15:01:35] <zinid> Holger, commited, you can use it
[15:01:53] <Holger> Cool, thanks a lot.
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[15:07:02] <zinid> Holger, also, please find how to reproduce the remaining bug with carbons
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[15:11:32] <Holger> If there is one, maybe it was just the '(un)setting of priority' thing.  (So I received the carbons but not the original copy.)
[15:11:47] <zinid> ah, yes
[15:12:00] <Holger> But yes I'll double-check later today.
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[18:00:48] <thorsten> Carbons also broken
[18:00:51] <thorsten> Wtf
[18:01:14] <thorsten> I should update !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[18:01:26] <thorsten> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[18:01:46] <thorsten> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[18:01:49] <Servant> thorsten: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 18.12.5 on unix/linux 3.4.113
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[18:21:45] <cantor> > Carbons also broken
thorsten: broken on 18.15.5?
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[18:22:26] <Licaon_Kter> thorsten: update to .11
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[18:30:23] <thorsten> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[18:30:25] <Servant> thorsten: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 18.12.5 on unix/linux 3.4.113
[18:30:37] <thorsten> Whaaaaaaaat
[18:30:56] <thorsten> Just compiled
[18:31:33] <thorsten> dist clean make clean..what else ......🤪
[18:31:36] <Licaon_Kter> thorsten: git pull ?
[18:32:22] <thorsten> Ok
[18:32:24] <thorsten> Works
[18:32:44] <thorsten> Licaon_Kter: even git pull 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
[18:32:50] <thorsten> They forgot to tag
[18:32:54] <thorsten> Maybe ...
[18:35:34] <Licaon_Kter> thorsten: there's no tag..git pull gets them all...latest commits...
[18:36:22] <Licaon_Kter> The .11 and .9 and etc comes from the commit, .11 means that there where 11 commit after latest tag
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[18:36:57] <thorsten> Well... carbons work but commit not
[18:37:12] <thorsten> Still have .5
[18:37:25] <thorsten> I even made autogen.sh
[18:37:35] <Licaon_Kter> Did you make install and ejabberdctl restart?
[18:37:50] <thorsten> I stopped server before installing
[18:38:03] <Licaon_Kter> What does `ejabberdctl status` say? .5?
[18:39:24] <thorsten> Yes
[18:39:37] <thorsten> But carbons work ..just tested it
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[18:45:11] <Licaon_Kter> Mmmkay
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[19:16:41] <daniel> The value that falls out of `ejabberctl get_last` does that get updated on every stream close and open?
[19:16:55] <daniel> Meaning it has the value of what ever came last?
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[19:34:29] <zinid> daniel, the value of get_last is current_time() if the user is connected or it's fetched from last_activity table (mod_last)
[19:35:24] <zinid> at least that's what I have understood from the code of mod_admin_extra
[19:35:26] <daniel> Fair enough. How does last activity get fed then?
[19:36:06] <zinid> when a user set's presence-unavailable
[19:36:12] <zinid> pretty historic shit
[19:36:19] <zinid> *sets
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[19:36:24] <zinid> *sends :)
[19:37:49] <daniel> Mhhh I'm just trying to figure out if that gives me somewhat reliable information on when a user last used their account. For the purpose of deleting old accounts
[19:38:16] <daniel> (I know of the delete old accounts command but I don't want to go through that one)
[19:38:48] <zinid> nah, that doesn't match well
[19:39:12] <daniel> What information does delete old accounts use?
[19:39:21] <zinid> errgh
[19:39:26] <daniel> And can I query that over the api
[19:39:29] <zinid> I need to read that code :)
[19:39:43] <zinid> how the command is called? I need to grep :)
[19:40:23] <zinid> delete_old_users seems like
[19:40:58] <zinid> from last_activity
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[19:43:10] <daniel> Mhh. Yeah that makes sense. So it's basically the same value that get_last gives me as well
[19:43:33] <daniel> I mean from looking at the db it feels like a reasonable date
[19:43:48] <daniel> Since it is also set when a session gets destroyed
[19:45:32] <zinid> daniel, you can compare that somehow with last message in MAM maybe
[19:46:31] <zinid> I would rather make some complex SQL requests to fetch all those users and then run user deletion command (whatever it's called)
[19:47:41] <zinid> probably asking Holger? :)
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[19:49:32] <Holger> I don't use get_last for that but I know others who do, I think it does the trick.  Except for cavaets such as accounts only used for HTTP API access or something, which you might delete by accident :-)
[19:51:02] <daniel> OK. Thanks. I guess get_last is safe enough for what I want to do
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[19:51:53] <zinid> on jabber.ru we used to run into problems with bots
[19:52:09] <zinid> MUC bots, who don't send presence broadcasts at all
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[20:08:16] <Holger> badlop: Isn't the #2709 fix incorrect?  We'll now always return "not_found" as the roster version, no?
[20:09:14] <Holger> I.e. clients will no longer notice roster changes, unless I'm overlooking something.
[20:09:45] <Holger> I would've thought it's fine if roster_version/2 just returns 'error' rather than 'not_found'.
[20:10:47] <Holger> Ah, wait.
[20:11:05] <tao> hi all! i just saw this commit on master that gets rid of an old mod_mix module: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/e568dc38666bd0d04563be2110587dae4eced3bc. does this mean that the mod_mix tutorial in the docs is out of date? (i.e. https://docs.ejabberd.im/tutorials/mix-010/)
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[20:12:46] <daniel> tao: syntax has changed a lot in some places
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[20:14:03] <zinid> tao, yes, the module will be replaced by new implementation
[20:14:20] <tao> yeah, i saw the XEP is on version 0.13.0 now and that was written for 0.1.0. i guess i'm wondering -- if i enable mod_mix on ejabberd 18.12, will that be the 0.1.0 version? or something in between?
[20:14:26] <zinid> tao, that tutorial is outdated anyway, because the MIX XEP was changed completely
[20:14:47] <Holger> badlop: Sorry that was nonsense, roster_version/2 is just called from push_item/3.  So the correct fix would be returning 'undefined' rather than 'not_found', no?
[20:15:01] <zinid> tao, I think you cannot even compile removed mod_mix against master
[20:15:27] <zinid> tao, you can use 'mix' branch though, it's synced with master
[20:15:43] <zinid> and you will get 0.13.0 implementation
[20:16:07] <tao> zinid: amazing, thank you!
[20:16:16] <tao> i was hoping i could experiment with it somehow 🙂
[20:16:24] <zinid> tao, note please, still experimental
[20:16:48] <zinid> tao, the XEP is still very rough, see discussion in standards@
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[20:20:19] <tao> zinid, thank you. standards@ is closed to the public, i believe, but i've signed up for the ejabberd mailing list to stay in the loop 🙂
[20:20:33] <zinid> tao, wut? it's not closed at all
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[20:21:01] <tao> oh huh, standards@conference.process-one.net?
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[20:21:41] <zinid> https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
[20:22:04] <tao> oh right, haha -- thanks for your help 🙂
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[20:49:23] <badlop> Holger: probably right, better to return 'undefined' so there's no ver in the stanza
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[20:49:59] <Holger> Ok, shall I push that?
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[20:54:00] <Holger> Would be nice if we made more use of Dialyzer to catch such stuff ...
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[21:18:48] <Servant> Holger: There was an error requesting jhweiss.de's version can't be reached via XMPP
[21:19:02] <Holger> !version jhweiss.de
[21:19:32] <Servant> Holger: There was an error requesting jhweiss.de's version can't be reached via XMPP
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[21:27:55] <Holger> zinid: Tested things now, carbons seem fixed.
[21:30:46] <Sergio> Holger, zinid: these two commits solve the carbons thing:
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/6cd8d1025c140df1d4c3e2c8ca059a09cc7497a1
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/8295bcebec5d1079110a41cf891818ab7131a4bc
correct?
[21:31:04] <Sergio> and thanks a lot again for the quick response fixing the problem
[21:31:52] <Holger> Sergio: Yes.
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[21:35:51] <Holger> I'll quickly update production servers before people find new bugs.
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[22:13:24] <Holger> !version jabber.fu-berlin.de
[22:13:25] <Servant> Holger: jabber.fu-berlin.de is running ejabberd version 18.12.16-ZEDAT on unix/linux 4.9.0
[22:14:41] <Holger> zinid: The Cisco workaround works.
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[22:20:04] <Holger> But Travis doesn't like the xmpp bump.
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[22:25:17] <Holger> Ah, MIX ...
[22:25:52] <Holger> zinid: Shall I ditch the MIX tests from 'master' for the moment?
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[23:00:46] <Holger> !version conversations.im
[23:00:47] <Servant> Holger: conversations.im is running ejabberd version 18.12.16-conversations.im on unix/linux 4.9.0
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