Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Sunday, December 30, 2018< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[00:42:41] <Steven Roose> bowlofeggs: what's Fedora Copr?
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[02:04:27] <bowlofeggs> Steven Roose: it's a system that allows users to make their own software repositories. it's most often used for packages that don't meet Fedora's packaging rules, or to offer alternate verisons of software that is in the official repositories (like if you want to offer the latest version that might be backwards incompatible)
[02:04:54] <bowlofeggs> i put it in there for now because i want to unbundle one of its dependencies before putting it in fedora's official repositories
[02:05:06] <bowlofeggs> seems to work ok so far, been using it about a day
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[02:07:13] <bowlofeggs> oh, and copr still has the same legal requirements as fedora's main repositories, so FOSS only
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[02:12:04] <bowlofeggs> i also spent some time on bringing ejabberd 18.12.1 to fedora. i'm waiting on getting the new cert dependency imported, so shouldn't take too much longer
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[02:13:27] <bowlofeggs> i actually also maintain a copr for that: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/erlang/ejabberd/ (i maintain it as part of the Fedora Erlang SIG, which I'm only really a member of because i maintain ejabberd there)
[02:14:06] <bowlofeggs> ejabberd is in the main fedora repos, but when i see things in the release notes that sound backwards incompatible, i tend to avoid putting releases like that into a stable fedora release
[02:14:21] <bowlofeggs> so i offer that copr for users who want to stay on an older fedora release, but want the newest ejabberd
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[03:32:06] <Steven Roose> Cool. Thanks for the explanation! :)
[03:33:13] <Steven Roose> Haven't used Fedora in years. Been hooked to Arch the last 5 years or so. But sometimes I feel a bit worried about its more loose package management then f.e. Debian and Fedora.
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[03:39:53] <bowlofeggs> i was kinda that opposite - i used gentoo for years (also rolling, so kinda like arch in that way) and then switched to fedora
[03:40:19] <bowlofeggs> i actually also work at red hat, and specifically work on fedora so you know, bias disclosure ☺
[03:41:04] <bowlofeggs> i haven't tried arch, but they do seem to have really nice docs
[03:41:09] <bowlofeggs> i wish our docs were better
[03:41:13] <bowlofeggs> they are not great
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[03:51:21] <Steven Roose> The wiki rocks yes
[03:51:29] <Steven Roose> And is often applicable for Linux in general
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[17:47:54] <panpansh> 5GB storage is ok for ejabberd (VM) using mysql ?
[17:48:06] <panpansh> Hello first :)
[17:48:39] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: how many users? How long do you keep messages?
[17:49:15] <Licaon_Kter> How long do you keep files?
[17:49:25] <Licaon_Kter> How big can a single file be?
[17:49:28] <Licaon_Kter> Etc...
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[17:53:58] <panpansh> I don't know how much users :) the problem for encrypted disk is for extend it ... I need to size disk before
[17:54:25] <panpansh> else, need to use freenas alternative for storage arff :/
[17:55:57] <panpansh> what are you using for storage ? do you encrypt your disk ?
[17:58:17] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: sd cards, of course
But I'm not using a shared one.
[17:58:40] <Licaon_Kter> *shared host so I don't need to encrypt
[17:58:43] <panpansh> for production on housed server
[17:59:05] <panpansh> you need to trust your provider
[17:59:08] <Licaon_Kter> Right
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[18:00:18] <panpansh> for production maybe freenas or (freenas features like) is not an alternative
[18:00:33] <panpansh> in order to extend encrypted storage
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[18:03:00] <panpansh> I have a good connexion at home for hosting but using provider I have the benefit of VACs from provider for DDoS routing
[18:04:35] <panpansh> like OVH
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[18:08:37] <panpansh> else I need to encrypt whole disk of proxmox ..
[18:09:01] <panpansh> after that using lvm I can resize
[18:09:08] <panpansh> may be is the way to go
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[18:20:09] <Licaon_Kter> I guess
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[18:22:58] <panpansh> yup my all time is to do, think, and redo, think and redo xD
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[21:44:31] <panpansh> KVM over IP is just WTF
[21:44:39] <panpansh> first time I use this
[21:44:52] <panpansh> it's f***ing awesome
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[21:53:07] <oli> panpansh: KVM over IP?
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[22:06:27] <panpansh> yes
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[22:06:45] <panpansh> when you buy/rent a server
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[22:07:03] <panpansh> you can use KVM over ip
[22:07:13] <panpansh> You can use keyboard/mouse
[22:07:28] <panpansh> use custom iso file
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[22:08:13] <panpansh> like if you are behind a screen on local network
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[22:20:48] <panpansh> oli: https://imgur.com/a/CtwBTIA
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[22:22:21] <oli> panpansh: this confuses me all the time. when I read KVM I think Linux KVM as in VM
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[22:23:20] <oli> i think the ovh kvm is horrible
[22:23:47] <oli> or did they fix it?
[22:23:48] <panpansh> Im not on OVH but Online (Free)
[22:24:07] <oli> online like french
[22:24:10] <oli> ?
[22:24:12] <panpansh> yup :)
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[22:25:45] <oli> i know the scaleway kvm, which is nice. it's the same company, isnt it?
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[22:27:36] <panpansh> This Kvm interface is provided by the hardware manufacturer itself
[22:27:41] <panpansh> Supermicro
[22:27:55] <panpansh> the provider conffigure it
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[22:28:12] <panpansh> (speaking for my case)
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[22:30:59] <oli> panpansh: okay, like a real kvm, nice. scaleway is only serial console, but works. ovh is virtual kvm vnc mess.
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[22:31:50] <oli> i hope it's save ;)
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[22:35:18] <panpansh> You can put a screenshot of whats looks one ovh ?
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[22:35:50] <oli> After I watched the 35c3 presentation where they hacked a HP printer by sending a fax, I'm more paranoid than before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlSRkUQhwjk
[22:35:58] <panpansh> you have a real server or a vps ?
[22:36:27] <oli> A VPS.
[22:36:37] <panpansh> lol ok normal
[22:36:49] <panpansh> a vps is a virtual machine
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[22:37:13] <panpansh> it's not same
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[22:37:59] <oli> i know, but in theory it should be much simpler to provide a KVM over IP.
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[22:39:12] <panpansh> I'm not working at a provider but sure I can provide kvm acces (virtual machine) ssh and vnc
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[22:39:39] <panpansh> but kvm over ip have a network
[22:39:43] <panpansh> and access rules
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[22:42:06] <panpansh> you rent vps on oneprovider ?
[22:42:19] <panpansh> ovh ?
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[22:43:34] <panpansh> I don't like vps
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[22:44:04] <panpansh> because vCPU is "what?" :)
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[22:49:54] <panpansh> oli ? :/
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[22:52:20] <panpansh> wtff oli
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[22:55:05] <oli> panpansh‎: vps is cheap. for the price it's great. a dedicated machine would be a waste of energy for my purposes. think about the environment!
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[22:56:00] <panpansh> but I think vcpu is shared cpu
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[22:56:33] <panpansh> is more profitable for the provider
[22:56:44] <panpansh> less efficient for you
[22:57:04] <panpansh> ovh has kimsuffi
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[22:58:45] <panpansh> https://www.kimsufi.com/fr/serveurs.xml
[22:58:48] <panpansh> but no ssd
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[23:04:21] <panpansh> https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Qemu/KVM_Virtual_Machines  CPU section
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[23:04:58] <panpansh> "It is perfectly safe if the overall number of cores of all your VMs is greater than the number of cores on the server (e.g., 4 VMs with each 4 cores on a machine with only 8 cores). In that case the host system will balance the Qemu execution threads between your server cores, just like if you were running a standard multithreaded application. However, Proxmox VE will prevent you from assigning more virtual CPU cores than physically available, as this will only bring the performance down due to the cost of context switches."
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[23:05:45] <panpansh> you don't know if the provider use this feature to be more profitable
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[23:08:34] <panpansh> oli: you see what I mean ?
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[23:10:20] <oli> panpansh‎: yes, but I cannot complain about the performance.
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