Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, January 3, 2019< ^ >
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[05:31:28] <panpansh> morning :)
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[05:58:38] <panpansh> always no tls for mysql database connexion ?
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[06:04:25] <panpansh> maybe I need to "tunnel" it over ssh
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[08:18:37] <panpansh> re, I have xmpp server running like : xmpp.ams1.domain.tld, let's encrypt is configured just for this hostname for now, I really need to configure let's encrypt for domain.tld ?
[08:19:14] <panpansh> my srv looks like : _xmpp-client._TCP.domain.tld. (3600) SRV (1, 10, 5222) xmpp.ams1.domain.tld.
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[08:27:57] <panpansh> obtaining certificate but with "warning" because he is not containing 'domain.tld'
[08:28:40] <panpansh> but, 'domain.tld' need to be used later for website
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[08:51:07] <panpansh> https://blog.blaisot.org/letsencrypt-wildcard-part1.html
[08:51:35] <panpansh> maybe this way can be good :)
[08:53:02] <zinid> panpansh: just follow ejabberd warning if in doubt
[08:53:13] <oli> panpansh: you can use the same certificate for xmpp and website or have multiple certs for the same domain
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[09:01:04] <Holger> Obviously depends on your goals. If this is about distinguishing good silos from bad silos, this might make sense. I don't care about this distinction, my goal would be avoiding silos.
[09:01:52] <panpansh> silos ?
[09:03:45] <Holger> panpansh: Closed chat solutions that don't allow communication with customers of other vendors.
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[09:07:56] <Holger> Personally I fail at avoiding such silos and clearly prefer WhatsApp over Threema & friends because that way I actually reach the rest of the world.
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[09:10:06] <panpansh> standard certbot check A record on DNS (each renew), I can't put domain.tld A record pointing to the (xmpp) address.
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[09:12:36] <panpansh> this is why, the TXT record method sounds good, and the wildcard is just a +
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[09:16:25] <panpansh> I'm wrong ?
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[09:26:07] <zinid> Holger: wrong chat? 😁
[09:26:24] <Holger> Yeah. Whatever.
[09:26:39] <zinid> Holger: but I agree, yes 👍
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[09:27:20] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
> clearly prefer SMS over Whatsapp & friends because that way I actually reach the rest of the world.
Fixed
[09:27:31] <Licaon_Kter> There's a fallacy there somewhere....
[09:28:19] <zinid> SMS is just another silo 😁
[09:28:30] <oli> email
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[09:32:46] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: SMS doesn't do group chat.
[09:33:05] <Holger> oli: My people don't do email (lists).
[09:33:18] <Licaon_Kter> Didn't try it but saw some options in some SMS clients....
[09:33:35] <Holger> Whatever, people don't use it.
[09:33:57] <Holger> If they did, why use Threema?
[09:34:06] <Licaon_Kter> Hope my point was understood though....
[09:34:21] <Holger> (Not that anyone uses Threema ...)
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[09:36:28] <panpansh> lol
[09:36:43] <panpansh> sorry :p
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[09:42:48] <panpansh> are you all freelancers ?
[09:44:12] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: here? No one....
[09:44:26] <Licaon_Kter> :)
[09:44:52] <panpansh> working at processone ?
[09:47:15] <Licaon_Kter> Those contributing more, yes, others like me not really
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[09:48:12] <panpansh> okay
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[12:42:45] <panpansh> so, for certbot, you can mention in the documentation : if you want to use domain.tld for a website AND for service like ejabberd, prefer to use certbot generation like that "./certbot certonly --server https://acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org/directory --manual --preferred-challenges dns-01 -d domain.tld" and add the value challenge to a TXT record on your DNS.
[12:43:57] <panpansh> for auto-renew I don't know if it take the txt challenge lifetime or if you need to change the challenge every renew
[12:44:58] <panpansh> (don't use binary package in distribution cause : maybe outdated for this use case)
[12:46:40] <Licaon_Kter> panpansh: they tend to expire yes
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[12:51:53] <panpansh> why they need to expire the TXT token challenge ? I don't understandd why is a "security reason ?" to revoke it
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[12:52:19] <panpansh> :/
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[13:00:50] <panpansh> https://community.letsencrypt.org here is where to ask :)
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[13:01:23] <Licaon_Kter> Why keep it? One could just copy them....then impersonate....steal domain...something....mitm...dns poison....
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[13:08:21] <panpansh> :-X yes the definition of challenge is something like one time one shot .. not lifetime
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[15:27:52] <zinid> Holger, something is wrong with the conversations server?
[15:27:56] <zinid> siacs.eu
[15:28:09] <Licaon_Kter> zinid:  the network they say
[15:28:31] <zinid> 2019-01-03 15:27:28.221 [warning] <0.30398.3>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed:160 Failed to establish outbound s2s connection zinid.ru -> conference.siacs.eu: Connection failed: timeout; bouncing for 99 seconds
2019-01-03 15:27:31.519 [warning] <0.30382.3>@ejabberd_s2s_out:process_closed:160 Failed to establish outbound s2s connection zinid.ru -> conversations.im: Connection failed: timeout; bouncing for 297 seconds
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[15:38:10] <Holger> Thanks. https://status.manitu.de says "something is wrong" 🙂
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[15:38:50] <Holger> On my phone ...
[15:39:56] <zinid> your phone is wrong?
[15:40:20] <Holger> Heh.
[15:40:44] <zinid> Wartung !!!
[15:41:46] <zinid> ah, wrong word
[15:41:50] <zinid> Störung !!!
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[15:48:56] <zinid> Holger, just for the record, in OTP 21.0 the nasty bug in sockets were introduced and only fixed in 21.2, so I recommend to upgrade production instances
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[16:20:02] <Holger> Ah, good to know, thanks.
[16:20:29] <Freyskeyd> Hello, does a new release will be soon created ? :)
[16:21:05] <Holger> zinid: I didn't trust 21.x and sticked to 20.x so far, but maybe I should try 21.2.
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[16:24:58] <zinid> Holger: ok
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[16:26:57] <Licaon_Kter> Freyskeyd: already using 18.12.1 and you want what?
[16:27:21] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: how did the bug manifest itself?
I'm setting up Debian Buster with 21.2 now....
[16:28:24] <Freyskeyd> Licaon_Kter: the distillery 2.0 support^^
[16:28:43] <Licaon_Kter> Oh...that was pushed yesterday...c'mon....
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[16:30:44] <Freyskeyd> yep, I was just asking if release date are planned in time ^^
[16:31:32] <Licaon_Kter> Freyskeyd: it depends on commit no. , don't hold your breath, build from HEAD directly if you *need* that.
[16:32:09] <Freyskeyd> I prefer to wait for a proper release for production^^
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[16:59:08] <zinid> Licaon_Kter‎, sometimes the socket gets stuck forever
[16:59:23] <zinid> but you will notice it on loaded instance only
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[19:33:27] <panpansh> Licaon_Kter: https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/txt-in-order-to-understand-how-it-works/81499/2?u=panpansh
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[19:36:14] <panpansh> https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CA-Browser-Forum-BR-1.6.2.pdf
[19:36:40] <panpansh> ouch trhat's a spec hhh
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