ejabberd - Saturday, January 12, 2019

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zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im

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[07:43:54] <politefox> Hello, I am unable to connect to conferences on another servers. What I need to check in my configuration?
[07:45:08] <politefox> when I am trying to add an conference in Pidgin, it says "403" error
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[07:47:24] <politefox> I believe that this is the error in my xmpp server config files, because I am able to connect to this conference via another (not mine) server
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[08:05:00] <VC> politefox: maybe that server have not configured conferences
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[08:05:33] <zinid> politefox, pidgin is a bad client to track the problem
[08:06:01] <zinid> politefox, take something with XML console support and show what XML packet you receive from the server
[08:06:10] <zinid> or probably just post the config
[08:06:15] <zinid> I mean ejabberd.yml
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[08:17:47] <politefox> zinid: may be somewhere an example of ejabberd.yml is published?
[08:18:55] <politefox> and also I am searching for website which is able to test s2s connection, like xmpp.net does for c2s connections
[08:19:01] <zinid> politefox, sure, in the master branch
[08:19:52] <zinid> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/ejabberd.yml.example
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[08:39:44] <panpansh> morning =)
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[08:44:38] <politefox> zinid: I installed PSI, and opened xml console, then I am trying to connect to this room, and receive "  p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  Unable to join groupchat. Reason: Forbidden. The requesting entity does not possess the required permissions to perform the action. Denied by ACL"
[08:45:01] <zinid> politefox, what ejabberd version?
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[08:46:21] <politefox> zinid: [ebuild   R    ] net-im/ejabberd-17.04-r2::gentoo  USE="nls pam postgres zlib -captcha -debug -full-xml -hipe -ldap -mssql -mysql -odbc -redis -riak -roster-gw -sqlite" 0 KiB
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[08:52:26] <politefox> zinid: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/PoliteFox/ff948f43c0135f01e6db0e9d3778a05a/raw/4f5361ea5386f069db624a483c58bd07ee7b35de/gistfile1.txt
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[08:55:10] <zinid> fuck...
[08:55:17] <zinid> this version is too old
[08:55:38] <politefox> that's stable version of linux distribution
[08:55:45] <zinid> I don't care
[08:55:59] <zinid> we don't provide support for outdated versions
[08:56:17] <zinid> and it's important that the error messages were improved recently
[08:56:53] <zinid> also you'll miss some important features for compliance suite 2019
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[08:58:21] <politefox> v18.09 is latest which i can try to install - http://gpo.zugaina.org/net-im/ejabberd
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[08:58:59] <zinid> more or less
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[09:27:59] <politefox2> fyr!
[09:28:07] <politefox> fyr!
[09:28:23] <politefox> zinid: thanks!
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[09:58:37] <4223> !version jabber.ping.de
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[10:45:21] <politefox> how users can register on a server? I don't want to enable "trusted_network: - allow: all", but they should be able to register via specific website (which i own)
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[11:06:17] <politefox> something like https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#mod-register-web
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[12:42:28] <bowlofeggs> is anyone inclined to help me out with a compilation error with 18.12.1? https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2761
[12:43:07] <bowlofeggs> i don't really know erlang (i did do a tutorial on it ~3 years ago, so i know a slight bit) so that error doesn't mean a lot to me
[12:43:26] <bowlofeggs> i would guess it might be something environmental though since it seems to build for other people
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[12:43:45] <Licaon_Kter> bowlofeggs: this fails on `autogen ; configure ; make` ?
[12:44:27] <bowlofeggs> this fails on rebar compile
[12:44:53] <bowlofeggs> i can give some more context to what the build env vars look like, one sec
[12:45:49] <Licaon_Kter> bowlofeggs: I'm not familiar with rebar (or why you build it like this and not via make)
[12:47:10] <Licaon_Kter> Not helping much but I also have rebar 2.6.4 on Debian, and builds ok.
[12:47:15] <bowlofeggs> Licaon_Kter: i'm actually not too familiar wtih rebar either, but the reason i build it this way is that I use Fedora's erlang_build macro, which uses rebar
[12:47:38] <bowlofeggs> i added some more context to what that macro is doing
[12:47:48] <Licaon_Kter> You need that because...?
[12:47:54] <bowlofeggs> if you refresh the issue, i added the commands the macro does beforehand
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[12:48:50] <bowlofeggs> well, i mostly do it because it's the fedora erlang packaging guidelines, but there are some practical benefits, like picking up the Fedora build env vars
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[12:49:21] <bowlofeggs> and fedora keeps non-archful data in /usr/share/erlang instead of in /usr/lib64/erlang, which this macro helps with
[12:49:41] <bowlofeggs> this way we dont' have to build non-archful packages (like ejabberd) for all the arches we support
[12:50:16] <bowlofeggs> i can try the makefile as an experiement to see if it fixes it though
[12:50:21] <bowlofeggs> if it does that'll be a clue
[12:51:20] <bowlofeggs> yeah it still fails wtih make
[12:51:22] <bowlofeggs> so that's not it
[12:52:13] <Licaon_Kter> Same error?
[12:52:28] <bowlofeggs> yeah
[12:52:39] <bowlofeggs> it seems like it's some kind of string substition thing
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[12:52:46] <bowlofeggs> just blindly guessing
[12:52:54] <bowlofeggs> but that's what the code kinda looks like to me
[12:53:33] <bowlofeggs> it seems like there's some operator my erlang setup doesn't understand
[12:53:39] <bowlofeggs> perhaps i'm missing a dependency or something
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[12:54:07] <bowlofeggs> i think it's this expression: %(LUsers)ls
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[13:11:45] <bowlofeggs> hahah well i feel dumb
[13:11:48] <bowlofeggs> figured it out
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[13:12:09] <bowlofeggs> the problem arises if you have an older ejabberd installed (i have ejabberd-18.09 installed) while building a newer one
[13:12:28] <bowlofeggs> and i feel dumb because i ended up finding that i reported a problem like this before
[13:12:36] <bowlofeggs> so this isn't the first time that has bitten me
[13:12:49] <bowlofeggs> remove the old ejabberd and it builds just fine
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[13:19:12] <Licaon_Kter> Nice :))
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[15:59:10] <bowlofeggs> ejabberd 18.12.1 is now available in Fedora Copr: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/g/erlang/ejabberd/
[15:59:28] <zinid> bowlofeggs, nice :) thanks a lot
[15:59:33] <bowlofeggs> there is a builder outage for Fedora's primary repos this weekend, so I'll have to wait a few days to get it in there
[16:00:04] <bowlofeggs> i'm planning to put it in Fedora 30 only, due to the backwards incompatible config change re: CA certificate paths
[16:00:14] <bowlofeggs> so it'll go in rawhide sometime next week
[16:00:40] <zinid> oh, you used that option in the config?
[16:00:46] <zinid> ca_path?
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[16:15:01] <bowlofeggs> zinid: well i maintain the package for all of fedora, and the fedora update policy specifies that backwards incompatible changes should not be made in stable releases
[16:15:09] <bowlofeggs> i can't know whether my users have that setting or not
[16:15:50] <bowlofeggs> the policy: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Updates_Policy/#stable-releases
[16:15:53] <bowlofeggs> it makes sense, imo
[16:16:00] <bowlofeggs> that's why i provide that Copr repository
[16:16:20] <bowlofeggs> so if users are on a stable Fedora and want a newer ejabberd that the stable Fedora has, they can enable the Copr repository and get it that way
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[16:16:29] <bowlofeggs> otherwise they can wait for Fedora 30 to be released
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[16:17:27] <zinid> okay
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[16:17:35] <zinid> I will take that into consideration next time
[16:18:03] <bowlofeggs> imo, it's not really something you need to worry about - it's just me that has to pay attention ☺
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[16:18:28] <bowlofeggs> i usually just do a careful reading of the ejabberd release notes to see if there are backwards incompatble changes or not to make the decision
[16:18:40] <zinid> good to know ;)
[16:19:05] <bowlofeggs> one thing that would help me a little, if ejabberd were open to such a suggestion, is semantic versioning: https://semver.org
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[16:19:49] <bowlofeggs> mostly that would help in cases where there are incompatible changes that i don't notice when reading the notes
[16:19:52] <zinid> I think it's incompatible with this, our MAJOR is the year
[16:19:56] <bowlofeggs> yeah
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[16:20:15] <bowlofeggs> i'm just saying that it would help me if ejabberd were willing to consider changing versioning schemes
[16:20:53] <bowlofeggs> just a suggestion ☺
[16:20:55] <zinid> no, I don't think this is possible, I personally wasn't agree with jumping on year-month-patch version model
[16:21:15] <bowlofeggs> cool
[16:21:28] <zinid> it was a decision of the boss
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[16:22:39] <zinid> btw, it's **very** likely that ejabberd will be renamed, probably bringing you even more pain ;)
[16:22:51] <bowlofeggs> hahah oh no
[16:23:00] <bowlofeggs> yeah that will be a pain
[16:23:32] <bowlofeggs> one thing annoying about being  fedora packager is that adding new packages requires a review process that can be hard to find people to help with, especially for less common languages (like erlang)
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[16:23:46] <bowlofeggs> and a rename is basically a new package
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[16:24:11] <bowlofeggs> we'll do what we have to do though
[16:25:20] <zinid> I think the renaming will happen shortly after 19.02
[16:25:28] <zinid> the possible new name is "fluux"
[16:25:44] <bowlofeggs> ah interesting
[16:25:52] <bowlofeggs> trying to get away from "jabber"?
[16:25:56] <zinid> yes
[16:26:13] <zinid> https//fluux.io
[16:26:18] <zinid> https://fluux.io
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[16:26:35] <bowlofeggs> oh wow you even have a page up for it
[16:26:36] <bowlofeggs> cool
[16:26:45] <zinid> it will be redesigned though
[16:26:56] <bowlofeggs> what is the significance of the new name?
[16:27:09] <bowlofeggs> it's nice and short ☺
[16:27:15] <bowlofeggs> easier to say
[16:28:08] <zinid> I don't know where the name came from, but conceptually we have already sip, xmpp and mqtt implementations
[16:28:29] <zinid> thus, the renaming, because in such situation "ejabberd" is a bit misleading in marketing sense
[16:28:45] <bowlofeggs> ah yeah, you do more than just xmpp
[16:29:03] <bowlofeggs> you guys have a commercial kubernetes offering too? i didn' tknow that
[16:29:09] <zinid> if you ask me, I'm completely neutral on this renaming
[16:29:23] <zinid> bowlofeggs, yes, I think, but that's not my area of responsibility
[16:29:29] <bowlofeggs> cool
[16:30:15] <bowlofeggs> i don't really mind the rename either, i'll just need to get someone to re-review the package
[16:30:30] <bowlofeggs> i can probably trick a friend to do it ☺
[16:30:32] <zinid> ok, good to know someone don't oppose ;)
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[16:30:58] <zinid> openfire survived two renames btw :)
[16:31:19] <bowlofeggs> does that thing still exist?
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[16:31:24] <zinid> yes
[16:31:31] <bowlofeggs> ha
[16:31:34] <bowlofeggs> i thoguht it was long dead
[16:31:36] <bowlofeggs> interesting
[16:31:55] <zinid> no, but it's in a very narrow corporate niche
[16:32:00] <bowlofeggs> java is a great choice of language if you have lots of XML and want to turn it into very long, backwards tracebacks
[16:32:10] <zinid> lmao
[16:32:15] <bowlofeggs> haha
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[16:32:33] <bowlofeggs> i was a java dev early in my career (~2004-2005ish)
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[16:32:59] <bowlofeggs> started on PHP before that, and then later did C++ and now python
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[16:33:07] <bowlofeggs> with a smattering of other languages here and there
[16:33:26] <bowlofeggs> erlang is pretty neat but i haven't really gotten practical experience with it
[16:33:46] <bowlofeggs> i read https://learnyousomeerlang.com/ a few years ago
[16:33:48] <zinid> yeah, same here, I started to hack openfire first (I think it was wildfire back then) but quickly discovered ejabberd and liked it more due to clean concurrency model
[16:34:01] <bowlofeggs> i thought it was pretty neat, but you need to do more than read a book to really learn a language practically
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[16:34:40] <bowlofeggs> yeah erlang's concurrency is super cool
[16:34:56] <bowlofeggs> it's the perfect language choice for something like xmpp
[16:35:22] <bowlofeggs> it's alllmost like erlang was designed to be good at messaging…
[16:35:27] <bowlofeggs> ☺
[16:35:36] <zinid> well it was designed for voip signaling, sure
[16:35:41] <bowlofeggs> yeah
[16:36:00] <bowlofeggs> i do find the erlang syntax a bit yucky
[16:36:08] <bowlofeggs> the periods to end statements bites me every time
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[16:36:10] <bowlofeggs> haha
[16:36:22] <bowlofeggs> and the captitalied variable names are odd
[16:36:31] <bowlofeggs> but i can get over that since it has such cool features
[16:36:54] <bowlofeggs> though if i think about it, as an english speaker, ending statements in periods should be sensible to me
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[16:37:06] <zinid> ;)
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[16:37:33] <bowlofeggs> now that i've been doing python for so long, i also get bitten by forgetting ;'s when i write C++ like i used to
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[16:39:20] <zinid> cannot say about the syntax, I'm more into the language features, for example, I can write in Erlang, C and OCaml, completely different syntax, I have very little problems with that
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[16:40:06] <rom1dep> bowlofeggs: I do quite a bit of scala and python these days, get the same effect when switching to a Java source, JS is the worst because I can't figure out if I need `;`s or not
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[16:41:28] <bowlofeggs> JS is just the worst, period
[16:41:30] <bowlofeggs> haha
[16:41:48] <bowlofeggs> https://dayssincelastjavascriptframework.com/
[16:42:40] <bowlofeggs> the project i work on for my day job has some JS and i always feel lost whenever i need to change anything there, so i usually just avoid working on tickets related to that
[16:42:53] <zinid> lol
[16:43:12] <zinid> yeah, just don't fix the bugs, the dream of every developer
[16:43:37] <bowlofeggs> this is also amusing: http://vanilla-js.com/
[16:43:44] <bowlofeggs> zinid: haha yeah
[16:44:04] <bowlofeggs> (check out the download sizes on vanilla-js!)
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[16:45:48] <rom1dep> lol
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[16:47:18] <rom1dep> yeah, if I had to write a bunch of JS I would just use http://www.scala-js.org/ after being being disappointed by the lack of tooling around the alternatives like elm.
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[16:52:23] <zinid> damn, rom1dep came and I need to hide now
[16:53:15] <zinid> rom1dep, don't you find a problem in putting scala everywhere? at the server, in desktop, in the web development?
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[16:53:25] <rom1dep> zinid: in case we would agree too violently? ^^
[16:53:44] <rom1dep> zinid: you forget in scripts, for datascience, etc
[16:53:46] <zinid> why don't I put erlang everywhere?
[16:54:21] <zinid> rom1dep, you look to me as a dentist who wants to use his tools to became proctologist, really
[16:54:27] <rom1dep> because you work on big systems and I'm a kid in my garage
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[16:55:17] <rom1dep> yeah, when I started coding I wanted to use my langage everywhere, then I learned other languages, and now I'm becoming old
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[16:55:50] <rom1dep> scala is surprisingly good at a bunch of things, in fact
[16:57:20] <zinid> it seems like I'm slowly finding a way to rank the language: just tell me its area of application
[16:57:28] <zinid> if you tell a lot of them - the language is shit
[16:57:45] <rom1dep> yeah, used to agree with that entirely
[16:58:45] <rom1dep> but if you speak runtimes, scala compiles to the JVM, to native through LLVM, to JS/wasm and it used to target the CLR
[16:59:53] <rom1dep> and if you speak about the langage itself, it is heavily functional and has very little syntax, so you can abuse DSLs for your own field
[17:00:37] <zinid> I know, yeah, I looked at the syntax
[17:00:40] <rom1dep> where it's a bit crappy is thta there are quite big differences in style and approaches depending on the communities
[17:01:24] <rom1dep> you have the proto-haskell dudes and the java-rescued, and a broad spectrum in between
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[17:01:49] <zinid> I just let them having fun ;)
[17:02:22] <rom1dep> zinid: by the way, you've heard of AOC?
[17:02:41] <zinid> no
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[17:03:11] <zinid> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez
[17:03:17] <zinid> google told me that :)
[17:03:24] <zinid> some stupid cunt
[17:03:27] <rom1dep> stands for "advent of code", a series of daily programming puzzles with a time reward
[17:03:37] <rom1dep> http://adventofcode.com/
[17:03:56] <rom1dep> puzzles are generally interesting after the few first days
[17:04:09] <rom1dep> and it's a fun thing to do with friends
[17:04:16] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: so Google shows communist first in ex communist countries? :))
[17:04:29] <Licaon_Kter> *results
[17:04:36] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, asking me? :)
[17:05:12] <rom1dep> all that to say that it's become my go-to rosetta stone of programming languages, e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/adventofcode/comments/7iksqc/2017_day_9_solutions/
[17:05:18] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, ask their engineers (although I'm not sure whether google is developed by humans anymore and not by AI)
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[17:06:42] <rom1dep> for me the first hit is some company doing taiwanese electronics imports ^^
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[17:10:57] <rom1dep> zinid: so yeah, I'd love to find some erlang solutions in the reddit threads, along some APL https://www.reddit.com/r/adventofcode/comments/a53r6i/2018_day_11_solutions/ebjx1rc/ if you feel in the mood next year ^^
[17:11:45] <rom1dep> there is some elixir sometimes
[17:11:51] <zinid> nah, sorry, too exhausted with my current erlang tasks
[17:12:05] <zinid> I'm also too old and have too many children now ;)
[17:13:00] <rom1dep> :)
[17:13:01] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: erlang is soo good at multithreading, so engineers think they're good in real life too, multikids.... :))
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[17:14:52] <rom1dep> Licaon_Kter: bah, just wrap your kid in a future and await for it with as little side effects as possible
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[17:17:10] <Licaon_Kter> What about promises? (Sorry heard about these somewhere, not sure they apply, but it's fun to have real here) :)
[17:17:19] <Licaon_Kter> *real words
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[17:21:47] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, same shit as futures, concurrent monads: it's when your VM is too shitty to support multitasking or you don't have any runtime (like in Rust), in this case you just put all the complexity on the shoulders of developers and call it the right way (instead of saying that you fail miserably)
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[17:37:28] <rom1dep> or it's when you make your execution context a library decision and not a language decision. Pros & Cons.
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[17:39:17] <zinid> frameworks ftw! JavaScript developers approved
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[17:48:02] <rom1dep> yeah, or just if you want your CPU-bound stuff not be run the same way as your I/O-bound stuff, or if you need to stuff to share data efficiently, etc
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[18:48:59] <zinid> rom1dep, yeah, I wish there were such feature in Erlang, oh wait, there are dirty io and cpu schedulers :)
[18:49:58] <rom1dep> zinid: so how does it look like, you specify a scheduler based on the kind of actor you have at hand?
[18:50:32] <zinid> rom1dep, I don't have actors
[18:52:19] <rom1dep> if I want to read more, is "dirty scheduler" the actual technical term to search?
[18:52:24] <zinid> yes
[18:52:51] <zinid> dirty schedulers are only used for C wrappers, when you want to be absolutely fast as fuck
[18:53:17] <zinid> by default Erlang does a good job by managing bytecode on its schedulers
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[19:04:51] <jonny> Hi, does anybody know what I have to do to have muc rooms be deleted when there are no more participants the default setting seems to be permanent muc's..
[19:05:08] <jonny> Thanks in advance 😊
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[19:51:05] <zinid> jonny, the default is temporary actually unless you set 'persistent: true' in default_room_options
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[21:17:55] <jonny> I do not have such a config setting:
  mod_muc:
    ## host: "conference.@HOST@"
    access:
      - allow
    access_admin:
      - allow: admin
    access_create: muc_create
    access_persistent: muc_create
[21:18:18] <jonny> should i change access_persistent to something else?
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[21:40:33] <jonny> and is it possible to delete the permament rooms from cli (by ejabberdctl)?
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[22:56:26] <jonny> i found the docs here: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/ejabberdctl/muc-admin/
but the command for removing a room:
ejabberdctl destroy_room luzozimezes@conference.rimkus.it conference.rimkus.it
does not work... and I would like to have the rooms deleted when there are no more participants..
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