Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, January 28, 2019< ^ >
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[08:12:45] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n©> hai
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[11:06:22] <Holger> ChaosKid42: Maybe I would use your option precisely to get the tumbstoning effect :-)
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[11:12:16] <ChaosKid42> Holger: Yes. That's exactly what I thought.
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[11:15:27] <ChaosKid42> Holger: btw: I recognized that archives of temporary rooms are not removed on room destruction. Happens only for persistent rooms. Do you know the reasoning behind that?
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[11:20:33] <Holger> ChaosKid42: Hmmm, I remember discussing this with zinid ages ago.  I think we decided to just not support MAM for non-persistent rooms.  Maybe we forgot to make that change then.
[11:21:22] <zinid> I didn't follow. We don't store archive of temporary rooms
[11:21:23] <Holger> ChaosKid42: The problem is that we can't guarantee reliable archive removal on server shutdown (or crash).
[11:21:31] <Holger> We don't?  That's good.
[11:21:35] <Holger> We did in the past.
[11:23:18] <Holger> zinid: Hmm I don't see where in the code we disable MAM for non-persistent rooms.
[11:23:45] <ChaosKid42> zinid, Holger: I can't check right now. But I'm pretty sure mam can be enabled for temporary rooms and you'll find the messages in the archive afterwards.
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[11:25:18] <zinid> Holger, hum, indeed
[11:25:31] <zinid> Holger, so it's vice versa: we didn't do that in the past and now do this?
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[11:26:00] <Holger> zinid: I think we always did it.
[11:26:35] <Holger> zinid: According to my chat logs we discussed this at least once in 2016 (in 1:1 chat) :-)
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[11:29:07] <Holger> H> Not sure whether we could clean up non-persistent room reliably.  Maybe enabling MAM should just also make the room persistent?
z> why can't we clean them in forget_room or something?
H> Well maybe we can, just not sure how reliable we can do that during shutdown (with timeouts and stuff).
z> ah
H> But currently we don't even try :-)
z> indeed, it's easier not to enable mam for transient rooms :D
H> And you probably want the room to be persistent anyway if you want it to be archived.
z> yep
[11:29:13] <Holger> Guess we just forgot about it then.
[11:29:27] <Holger> (And right now I'm busy upgrading servers.)
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[11:36:15] <zinid> lol
[11:36:18] <zinid> ok
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[13:04:48] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: moar RTB
Was looking at pressure (https://lwn.net/Articles/759781/ from facebook devs lol) when running 550 users @ rate 1000 w/ medium&small rooms + http_upload 10Mb, and the I/O was killing it, stalling everything else.
So I've run some without uploads and things look nicer, unrealisting but whatever.
[13:04:59] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/z7VxL8r4g9CPFdTR0U5LBqBnAyEXAL9VmtCnSpG0/rpi31500.png
[13:05:28] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/ZiaB1UnWJhA2o0eUlmJ8MLXFRzrcl3Z5EATHYuKx/rpi31500_htop.png
[13:06:28] <Licaon_Kter> Not sure what happened in that first hour, when things got downhill, but they recovered nicely.
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[13:07:53] <Licaon_Kter> I've also _tuned_ the DB config based on whatever https://github.com/jfcoz/postgresqltuner recommended.
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[13:49:13] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, 25% sys is very high btw
[13:49:56] <Licaon_Kter> Eh
[13:50:10] <zinid> and for upload you can use that nginx thingy from Holger
[13:51:22] <zinid> but I think the major problem is I/O
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[13:52:37] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: upload is next
[13:52:56] <zinid> I guess you're using sdcard or something?
[13:53:10] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: It's a VM... Own Server or Rented and which Hypervisor in case of VM...
[13:53:21] <zinid> Alacer, it's rpi, lmao ;)
[13:53:43] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: rpi3+, bare metal, need for speed, race to the finish line...
[13:53:58] <Alacer> zinid: Yup I just wanted to be sure it rPi not an orange/🍌 pi
[13:54:01] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: any rented one would be way faster :))
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[13:55:48] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: How much we expect from P1 and others i.e. Holger etc. to optimize code... they also have to have 🍺.... its 2019... rPI is now old .. get an Intel NUC...;)
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[13:56:41] <zinid> Alacer, if you run 2.x vs 18.x you will notice that actually 18.x is faster
[13:56:58] <zinid> at least 18.x is faster than 16.x
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[13:57:05] <zinid> so we actually optimize it every release
[13:58:27] <Alacer> zinid: Ya but you probably took me wrong you are not investing erlang etc. so Optimization has its limits as well besides 10$/Month can lend better resource...
[13:58:30] <zinid> (unlike shitty desktop applications or browsers)
[13:58:51] <Alacer> inventing erlang
[13:59:30] <zinid> Alacer, Erlang team also improved a lot, especially in I/O subsystem, locking and scheduler
[13:59:36] <Alacer> By the way a NUC in home with free esxi can be better choice than rPI...
[14:00:17] <Alacer> zinid: Hmm... I agree but rPi is still on SD Cards...
[14:00:19] <zinid> I compared benchmark with 19.x and 21.x and the difference is light and day
[14:00:29] <zinid> Alacer, yeah, that is its major problem
[14:00:36] <Alacer> zinid: now that's a news....
[14:00:59] <zinid> right after my results we started migrating our SaaS to 21.x for instance
[14:01:17] <zinid> because it will result in us spending less money for hardware
[14:01:36] <Alacer> Ya but Debian still has 19x And I didn't upgraded to 21x as I believe in same room you and Holger were discussing some issues...
[14:01:59] <zinid> 21.x has some issues from 19.x fixed btw
[14:02:06] <zinid> I don't recommend 19.x by now
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[14:03:03] <zinid> whatever, you cannot build highload with SD Cards ;)
[14:03:13] <Alacer> zinid: Got it Boss... would upgrade for sure.... By the way out of context.... How is the little  😇 doing... she is now 6+ months...
[14:04:06] <zinid> nah, she's only 3 m.o. ;) she is fine, thanks ;)
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[14:04:40] <zinid> no health problems, etc
[14:06:50] <Alacer> zinid: Good... May she stay blessed always....
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[14:10:19] <zinid> thx ;)
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[14:20:58] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: "production" is RPi1/256Mb w/ Erlang 20.3.8.5
RPi3+ 64bit w/ Erlang 21.2.3 is the future upgrade...
[14:22:16] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: its rPi in 2019... we I am impressed by Server Side Code Optimization and your skills as well....
[14:22:53] <Alacer> just look at the system requirements of Cisco IM & Presence Server ....
[14:23:51] <Alacer> Hats off to all Erlang/ejabbed Side developers in this room....
[14:24:24] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: Prosody was ok too, but I stayed because zinid patched file uploads one morning when I complained that ejabberd loads the file in memory to receive/transmit and that would oom_kill stuff
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[14:25:28] <Licaon_Kter> Without that patch this RPi1 (the original one from Feb2012 with only 256Mb) would not be usable as a server.
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[14:26:20] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: Yup no doubts on prosody but I think ejabberd has been making steady good progress... prosody has started to catch up with 0.11x+...
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[14:27:35] <ta> Pi1 is doing a great job as pivpn server in my network. since my upload is slower as the 5-8 mbit/s the pi can deliver, everything is fine
[14:29:25] <Licaon_Kter> ta: yeah, I get ~compliments~complaints about connection speed around here a lot lol
[14:31:11] <Alacer> Licaon_Kter: location???
[14:31:18] <Steven Roose> Question: the pubsub node that is often on `pubsub.domain.ext`. Does it need to serve HTTP? Or is it just a name like the MUC domain?
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[14:32:31] <zinid> Steven Roose, it doesn't need to serve any HTTP, no
[14:32:35] <Alacer> Steven Roose: Http could be separate host but certificate to be managed...look at Holgers Nginx thing for http upload
[14:33:35] <Steven Roose> Alacer, yeah I have HTTP Upload fixed. Was just wondering. Somehow I forwarded the pubsub URI to ejabberd's HTTP module as well and had a TLS certificate for the domain too
[14:33:39] <Steven Roose> So that all doesn't make sense?
[14:34:04] <zinid> Steven Roose, you probably want to have a certificate for the domain, I'm just not sure
[14:34:27] <zinid> I think it might be useful if you run Movim or something
[14:34:50] <Steven Roose> 😀
[14:35:02] <Steven Roose> Yeah movim seems to be the most heavy user of pubsub 😀
[14:35:08] <Steven Roose> (only*?)
[14:35:36] <zinid> there is also some crazy pubsub shit, Sat... or how it's called, the name is weird
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[14:36:15] <ta> Licaon_Kter, downloads from your http_upload can be slow... but your setup gives valuable feedback, since it is well maintained.
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[14:36:48] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: _the internet_ ;)
[14:37:05] <Licaon_Kter> ta: by well maintained you mean _budld from HEAD_? :))
[14:37:15] <Licaon_Kter> *build
[14:37:19] <ta> i mean reachable admin.
[14:37:31] <ta> nagging with issues :-)
[14:37:45] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, btw, consider running a cluster
[14:38:01] <ta> +1
[14:38:26] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: the old RPis are effing expensive second-hand
[14:38:34] <Licaon_Kter> :))
[14:39:25] <Licaon_Kter> Given the upload issue my first thought was to separate the upload server, since I/O is the bottleneck now...
[14:39:25] <zinid> when you tune this as fuck you'll be able to handle 1000 online users, way more for an average xmpp public server :D
[14:39:34] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, or that, yes
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[14:40:08] <zinid> maybe even putting postgres on the same machine as upload, dunno
[14:40:21] <zinid> need moar tests to confirm
[14:40:27] <Licaon_Kter> Eg. Keep RPi1 for upload and the 3+ for the the rest...
[14:40:46] <zinid> yeah
[14:41:10] <ta> Licaon_Kter, i could spare an old pi for a cluster. but _only_ 512mb ram
[14:41:16] <Licaon_Kter> It's like that now, they're all on one single machine...so postgres and upload will fight for i/o
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[14:48:44] <Licaon_Kter> ta:
> nagging with issues :-)
I do hope they can say _remember that bug you fixed for that RPi1? We'll that saves us $10K per month on SaaS now_
Lol
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[14:50:03] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, the downside of you running a public server is that you won't be able to run _HEAD_, so we lose a valuable alpha tester
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[14:51:19] <ta> Because pi3 so lightning fast ;-)
[14:51:27] <ta> Because pi3 is lightning fast ;-)
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[14:53:20] <Licaon_Kter> I remove the translations....it's very fast...no joke
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[14:53:26] <Licaon_Kter> *to restart
[14:53:47] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, that's racist
[14:54:32] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: yeah...f them `lang=en`
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[16:37:08] <Licaon_Kter> Is 19.02 the `fLooX` release ? :)
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[16:47:20] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: not sure about rename
[16:47:38] <zinid> it's still not decided to rename it
[16:48:10] <Licaon_Kter> The site (redirect) was taken down a while ago, but still lives here
https://www.process-one.net/en/solutions/fluux/
[16:48:43] <zinid> it will be redesigned
[16:48:56] <zinid> (TM)
[16:49:26] <Licaon_Kter> I do agree that adding mqtt makes it less obvious when named eXMPPd or something
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[19:47:28] <Holger> zinid: If I update certificates using `reload-config`, (at least) `ejabberd_stun` won't notice, and then crash on connect because the old PEM file is gone.  I think.
[19:47:56] <Holger> Restarting the listener fixes it.
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[21:07:37] <zinid> Holger: yeah, I also noticed this
[21:07:46] <zinid> but with sip
[21:08:38] <zinid> and it's quite tricky to fix again 🤔
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