ejabberd - Friday, February 1, 2019

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zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im

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[09:30:32] <zinid> https://twitter.com/matrixdotorg/status/1090733236026773504
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[09:33:59] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: #federation
[09:37:08] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, https://the-federation.info/
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[09:38:20] <zinid> https://the-federation.info/protocol/xmpp
[09:38:29] <zinid> bad news: we have only one xmpp server
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[10:00:48] <ta> and only one smtp...
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[10:07:53] <zinid> ta, they say it's for social web, but then why there is matrix?
[10:08:41] <zinid> sounds more likely "federation of fancy modern stuff, no outdated shit"
[10:11:31] <Licaon_Kter> > How to get your platform listed
> Implement NodeInfo, NodeInfo2, Statistics.json or Mastodon stats API endpoint.
So only one server admin bothered with that...
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[10:45:04] <zinid> what is nodeinfo?
[10:46:57] <zinid> also, where did you find it?
[10:47:51] <zinid> ah, found, it's at their github page
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[10:49:19] <zinid> http://nodeinfo.diaspora.software/
[10:49:31] <Licaon_Kter> Or the new https://github.com/jaywink/nodeinfo2/
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[10:50:01] <Licaon_Kter> > also, where did you find it?
https://github.com/thefederationinfo/the-federation.info
[10:50:02] <zinid> > NodeInfo is an effort to create a standardized way of exposing metadata about a server running one of the distributed social networks
Effort my ass, they couldn't even register well-known in IANA: https://www.iana.org/assignments/well-known-uris/well-known-uris.xhtml
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[10:52:38] <zinid> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6415
[10:52:40] <zinid> LMAO
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[10:53:54] <zinid> suddenly, there is ALREADY the standard for metadata exposing
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[11:17:02] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: dude that's like old-ass XML, c'mon
Get with the program....use JSON
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[11:53:44] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: matrix lol
http://n-gate.com/fosdem/2019/
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[12:00:56] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: DNS over http is funier
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[12:08:11] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: fuck, the site is brilliant
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[12:20:59] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: yeah, gave you the link before, for the weekly hackernews lulz
http://n-gate.com/hackernews/
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[12:29:01] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: true, I just forgot the link
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[13:01:23] <edhelas> does ejabberd supports bind2 ?
[13:01:30] <Holger> No.
[13:01:42] <Holger> Does anyone?
[13:01:45] <edhelas> :(
[13:03:11] <flow> It's open source, send a patch :->
[13:03:47] <edhelas> flow be my guest
[13:04:13] <flow> but then I eventually have to implement sasl2 too (for no good reason)
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[13:04:43] <Holger> > The returning of unread message state to the client relies on the archive having these data, which is a topic for another specification.
Does such a spec exist?
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[13:37:00] <flow> Holger, Not as far as I am aware. I think the idea was to use your own read markers in the archive (if this is feasible)
[13:40:34] <Holger> I think at some point (last year's Summit?) Kev's idea was to put explicit support this into a new XEP. I forgot to ask yesterday (when he said "next step for bind2 is implementation") ...
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[14:06:53] <zinid> bind2 is sasl2?
[14:07:58] <flow> zinid, other way around, but yes
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[14:08:06] <flow> wait, no
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[14:12:24] <zinid> all these bind2 and sasl2 don't move xmpp anywhere IMO.
[14:13:36] <flow> both bring down initial connection roundtrips significantly, which is very nice
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[14:14:30] <zinid> is it a problem? I don't remember when that was a problem for me
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[14:14:47] <zinid> twitter.com takes longer to load
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[14:20:52] <flow> zinid, it is not a fundamental problem, but something that can be fixed and eventually should
[14:21:18] <flow> Also, poeple in some countries experience long connection times, so it may be a problem for them
[14:21:24] <zinid> as you wish
[14:21:41] <zinid> I just don't want to fix what is not broken
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[14:30:46] <flow> Understandably, I always argue that the ecosystem decides which XEPs will reach (wide) adoption
[14:31:37] <zinid> I think not an ecosystem
[14:32:09] <zinid> a clear xep which solves a clear problem gets adopted easily
[14:33:38] <zinid> but when you introduce moot xeps like mix or bind2 the only way to adopt it is to implement it in some wildly adopted software, thus forcing others
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[14:36:18] <zinid> OMEMO is such an example
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[14:40:44] <flow> I don't know, feels like OMEMO is an example of what I tried to express above: The ecosystem decides what is going to get implemented
[14:40:58] <flow> Here "the ecosystem" probably does not include you ;)
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[14:41:40] <zinid> why? I do whatever I can to stop omemo adoption 😁
[14:44:03] <zinid> flow: I also don't see how ecosystem decided on omemo. Daniel decided.
[14:44:32] <flow> I don't share that view, there was clearly also some demand from other projects and users
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[14:47:15] <zinid> demand /= decision
[14:47:25] <zinid> I think there is some demand for MIX, but where is it?
[14:47:54] <zinid> (not sure users demanding MIX though, as well as bind2/sasl2)
[14:48:25] <flow> MIX tries to replace MUC, OMEMO had no widely deployed and mostly working predecessor
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[17:31:30] <Servant> nutsole: jabber.de is running Prosody version 0.10.2 on Linux
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