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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[06:50:41] <zinid> > Note that Dendrite is doing a bit more fancy architecture. there's a bunch of readers and writers, with Kafka in-between to mediate flow of messages.
fuck yeah
[06:51:04] <zinid> this will be performant as fuck
[06:53:48] <ma1uta> zinid: are you talking with vt?
[06:54:11] <ma1uta> https://juick.com/vt/2935062
[06:56:55] <ma1uta> what about the logs? https://process-one.net/logs/ejabberd@conference.process-one.net/2019/01/ <- last logs from 15.01
[07:02:40] <zinid> ma1uta: no, I am not talking to vt
[07:03:57] <zinid> ma1uta: I told to the admin about chatlogs, thanks
[07:04:53] <ma1uta> you are welcome
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[08:24:56] <madmalkav> Morningguys
[08:25:08] <madmalkav> long time I haven't visited, been busy with non-xmpp related stuff
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[08:26:07] <zinid> madmalkav: morning
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[08:30:01] <madmalkav> playing with rtb, nice tool man, I'm learning a lot of stuff
[08:30:38] <madmalkav> Upload quotas works in a totally different way of what I thought ( yesterday I completely filled a FS because of that 🙂 9
[08:30:45] <madmalkav> Upload quotas works in a totally different way of what I thought ( yesterday I completely filled a FS because of that 🙂 )
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[08:31:41] <madmalkav> and I totally need to tune some stuff on the OS , ulimit was wrong on the default setting in example
[08:32:24] <madmalkav> How is everything going on here? I'm in time to see the weekly random guy to join and explain you guys all you do wrong in XMPP world, or I have to wait for next week's one? 😃
[08:34:45] <zinid> madmalkav, he can join if he tells us something we don't know ;)
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[08:55:25] <panpansh> Morning
[08:56:17] <panpansh> https://upload.jabber.at/http_upload/w3S0NULmw6bOpkHSSrXrN2f24HuC7cGN/IMG_20190206_095547.jpg
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[08:56:48] <panpansh> Bad weather
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[09:05:14] <zinid> panpansh, at least you don't have knee-deep snowdrifts
[09:05:34] <zinid> I relocated to Moscow, and I'm fucking freezing in these snowdrifts
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[09:06:23] <panpansh> Let me look :o
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[09:08:20] <madmalkav> Going for a coffee, becuase I think load tests are like good stew, it needs time and you need to stop opening the pot every 5 minutes to see how it goes 🙂
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[09:11:34] <panpansh> zinid, say hello To Gérard Depardieu
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[09:20:18] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: look at che graphs while you sip it
Also, crontab rm -fr /uploads/* every hour :)
[09:20:19] <Licaon_Kter> *the
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[09:33:25] <madmalkav> umm, somethings wrong here, connections dropped a lot, in the logs I have a ton of timeouts waiting for streams resumption
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[09:35:57] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: what does `rtb_stats:show_errors().` say in the RTB console?
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[09:37:05] <madmalkav> Also some messages about DB being too slow... perhaps I have something wrong in the DB setup
[09:37:08] <madmalkav> oh, lemme luck
[09:37:36] <madmalkav> (rtb@localhost)1> rtb_stats:show_errors().
Stream closed by local host: Stream negotiation timeout (connection-timeout): 30040
Stream closed by peer: Idle connection (connection-timeout): 568
Resumption failed: Session state copying timed out (item-not-found): 8271
Connection failed: connection closed: 10265
Authentication failed: Peer responded with error: Invalid username or password (not-authorized): 115
ok
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[09:38:32] <zinid> madmalkav, typical server overload
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[09:38:53] <Licaon_Kter> Session state is about SM iirc, zinid can chime in
madmalkav: server stats? Mem used %? CPU averages?
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[09:39:17] <madmalkav> I'm looking at it, yeah, it seems the case.
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[09:39:25] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, yes, that's from SM
[09:39:27] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: post your rtb.yml  also
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[09:42:00] <madmalkav> sure, gimme a minute, I just got a call for taking a look at an incident at work
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[09:49:01] <madmalkav> want me to paste here or should I use pastebin or similar?
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[09:49:51] <madmalkav> by the way, I'm aiming at 10k users on a virtual machine with 4 vcpus and 24GB of RAM, perhaps I'm being too optimistic
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[09:53:56] <madmalkav> oh. OH.
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[09:54:08] <madmalkav> instead of generating a test file with a roster of 20 entries per user
[09:54:14] <madmalkav> I did 200 roster entries per user
[09:54:21] <madmalkav> that is ... too much roster, I think
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[09:55:07] <zinid> madmalkav, the machine is okay for such load
[09:55:34] <zinid> I suggest in the beginning to disable: http upload, tls and pubsub
[09:55:46] <zinid> then adding them one by one to check how performance degrades
[09:57:17] <madmalkav> thanks , I will try that. I will start with pubsub, as I think it is not used by the devs here and see how it impacts
[09:57:31] <madmalkav> should I reduce the roster entries on the DB?
[09:57:54] <zinid> madmalkav, yes, 200 is too much, users don't typically have such rosters
[09:58:05] <zinid> start with 20
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[10:04:04] <madmalkav> OK. I don't see RTB option to not use pubsub, so I will disable it on server side, restart and relaunch rtb
[10:04:27] <zinid> yes, rtb doesn't perform any pubsub queries, you should disable it server-side
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[10:04:50] <zinid> because pubsub is involved in a lot of hooks for basically no reason :)
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[10:08:13] <madmalkav> ummm, in that case I will have to confirm with the dev team here if they use it or not to consider disabling it in prod environment
[10:08:15] <madmalkav> thanks for the tip
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[10:08:58] <zinid> madmalkav, I don't suggest to disable it completely, just to see how it affects peformance
[10:09:10] <zinid> it's need for OMEMO, avatars
[10:09:16] <zinid> bookmarks
[10:09:29] <zinid> you cannot eliminate it most likely unless you have very specific use cases
[10:12:22] <madmalkav> gotcha
[10:12:42] <madmalkav> I don't think we use OMEMO at the moment, by the way, I always forgot to verify that 😃
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[10:45:20] <madmalkav> forst first test, I only modified the roster size . It made a hell of a difference
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[10:49:38] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: no way :))
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[10:51:03] <madmalkav> for you it can be obvious, but for me, I always forget how much of an effect the rosters have. I suppose this kind of stuff will make me eventually remember it 🙂
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[10:53:57] <madmalkav> while this is running, I would like to make a question about http_upload_quota. If I don't set http_upload max file size, and I have i.e. a soft quota of 10 and a hard quota of 12, and the user uploads a 50MB file, it seems to accept it OK. Is this the expected behaviour?
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[10:55:12] <madmalkav> or should I set max size always on http upload too, to prevent a file bigger than the quota to be accepted ? as in, the quotas affects the files you already have on disk when a new file is received, but doesn't apply for first transfer?
[10:55:18] <madmalkav> god, I'm explain myself like shit
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[11:01:10] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: no idea about quota
Max size is 100Mb pe file by default
Set it in rtb.yml if you want it smaller, I went with 10485760...but that depends on your usecase
[11:01:41] <Licaon_Kter> RTB will send random sized files smaller that either server max or what you set in rtb
[11:03:23] <madmalkav> yeah, I modified the server to change max size and see the behaviour. It is just I assumed a server won't allow an upload of a file bigger than the hard_quota for an user
[11:04:00] <madmalkav> the behavior I explained, it really surpised me
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[11:04:44] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: open an issue maybe, but not sure that the client says how much it will store
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[11:06:59] <madmalkav> I wanted to ask here before because, let's be honest, I'm not the brightest star in the sky, and I don't want to open tickets until I'm positive what I'm saying it's not dumb
[11:07:09] <madmalkav> 😃
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[11:09:29] <madmalkav> it seems it does get the info from the client:
>@mod_http_upload:create_slot:596 Got HTTP upload slot for user2307@XXXXXXXXXXXXX/rtb (file: 10475884436737049486, size: 657541)
[11:11:32] <Licaon_Kter> Right,..so yeah...might be something
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[11:17:46] <madmalkav> Anyway, lunchtime soon, I will stop this, change some cache configs, try to figure why it is not creating all the MUCs I have in the rtb.yml , and go lunch while this runs
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[14:13:24] <madmalkav> what kind of "errors" is the errors stadistic in rtb talking about?
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[14:31:27] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: all those in the list....add up their number...l
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[16:19:40] <madmalkav> OK, everything seems to be holding together pretty nice since I reduced the roster. On last test I made the messages much more frequent and the size much bigger and the only problem was the database archivelogs where about to fill the FS 😃
[16:21:03] <Licaon_Kter> Pics or it did not happen
[16:22:58] <madmalkav> Didn't took any. I will try to get a way to fast clean those WAL files and repeat under those conditions
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[16:24:13] <madmalkav> but with message size at 1024 and messages each 15 seconds, it worked great, as I said, only problem was archivelogs
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[17:12:18] <focus121> One short question: "ejabberdctl delete_old_messages days" clears the mam messages? When yes also for MAM thats active in a MUC?
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[17:14:58] <focus121> Ah it should be "delete_old_mam_messages all"
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[17:46:47] <ta> Licaon_Kter: How many active users do you serve with your raspberry pi? Very important information for Matrix-vs-XMPP arguments ;-)
[17:48:42] <zinid> "just don't join the Matrix room"
[17:49:31] <zinid> and in this case you'll be able to host 3 users
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[17:51:23] <Holger> Works awesome as long as you don't use it?
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[17:51:32] <Holger> Just like XMPP.
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[17:59:59] <ta> Yeah, i am not neutral in this argument. But since you can run a small xmpp server on a toaster but can barely run Matrix fir 4 users on a quadcore arm with 1GB is ridiculous, let alone joining the mareix-hq room
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[18:01:17] <ta> Holger: dont use e2ee and xmpp pretty fine. Says the one using omemo on a daily basis.
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[18:08:29] <Holger> ta: Yes for me personally it works just fine. Chatting all day, can't remember the last message loss.
[18:08:59] <Holger> I hear that's not true for everyone though 🙂
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[18:22:27] <bowlofeggs> my microwave oven has bluetooth for some reason i can't begin to imagine
[18:22:34] <bowlofeggs> i've def never paired it with anything
[18:22:41] <bowlofeggs> because i don't want it to start sending spam e-mails
[18:22:49] <bowlofeggs> and you know nobody is ever going to patch its firmware
[18:22:52] <bowlofeggs> but whyyyyyyyyyyy
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[19:28:04] <ta> Holger: well at least i know, why some messages seem lost. Most of the time fiddling on my side is the reason. So cant complain.
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[20:26:23] <bowlofeggs> would someone from processone be willing to discuss with me the CLA? i'd like to try to understand what the goal of it is and whether the DCO could meet that goal instead
[20:27:16] <zinid> bowlofeggs: sorry, but seems like only our CEO makes up the rules
[20:27:32] <bowlofeggs> some people (like me) cannot agree to the CLA due to employment contracts already in place, and this means process one can't benefit from those contributors
[20:27:42] <bowlofeggs> zinid: do you think yuor CEO would be willign to meet with me?
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[20:27:58] <zinid> well just drop him an email
[20:27:58] <bowlofeggs> i mean, it's obvs processone's decision
[20:28:14] <bowlofeggs> not tryingt o be combative, but i would like a chance to try to persuade
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[20:28:32] <bowlofeggs> cool - i'll see if i can find his contact info
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[20:28:52] <zinid> mremond@process-one.net
[20:28:56] <bowlofeggs> sweet
[20:29:08] <zinid> both xmpp and email address
[20:29:22] <bowlofeggs> cool - i'll write him soon
[20:29:22] <bowlofeggs> thanks
[20:29:54] <bowlofeggs> as stated on some of my closed PRs - they're all so simple that i dont' think it'd be a problem if someone just did the same thing
[20:30:02] <zinid> bowlofeggs: I can only ping him so he won't ignore your message, that's all I can do
[20:30:04] <bowlofeggs> they'd hardly count as substantial IP
[20:30:10] <bowlofeggs> cool, understood
[20:30:36] <bowlofeggs> i mostly am trying to avoid maintaining what is essentially a fork of ejabberd in fedora
[20:30:39] <bowlofeggs> not a literal fork
[20:30:51] <bowlofeggs> but you know, if i have a bunch of patches on it it's kinda like a fork
[20:31:04] <bowlofeggs> it's not really too bad right now
[20:31:19] <bowlofeggs> but i do have to rebase them so it'd be nice if they were upstream
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[20:31:47] <zinid> I understand, but as I see the problem, we provide the bytecode to customers without the sources. if you disagree I am not sure what can be done
[20:32:24] <bowlofeggs> ah interesting
[20:32:40] <bowlofeggs> yeah and the FOSS one is GPL
[20:33:00] <zinid> yes that's why we need the agreement
[20:33:03] <bowlofeggs> has processone ever accepted significant patches in the past without a CLA?
[20:33:04] <zinid> I think
[20:33:30] <bowlofeggs> yeah, <standard i am not a lawyer speech> i think i see what you mean
[20:33:59] <zinid> bowlofeggs: yes, and we had an issues with that in the past, with Sergei Golovan
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[20:34:28] <zinid> he refused to transfer ownership
[20:34:39] <zinid> or something like that
[20:34:52] <bowlofeggs> yeah
[20:34:56] <zinid> I am really bad at this stuff
[20:34:59] <bowlofeggs> i actualyl quite like the GPL as a contributor
[20:35:19] <bowlofeggs> because i like to know that everyone who uses my code will always have to be as open with it as i was
[20:35:30] <bowlofeggs> i license all my own projects that way
[20:35:52] <bowlofeggs> but i also don't work at an open core company, so that's now how i make money ☺
[20:36:09] <bowlofeggs> (i work at red hat)
[20:36:18] <bowlofeggs> s/now/not/
[20:36:19] <zinid> bowlofeggs: I understand this but note that our customers don't give a fuck about the code 😁
[20:36:27] <bowlofeggs> yeah most people don't
[20:37:04] <zinid> if something doesn't work they just fuck our brains and everyone is happy
[20:38:46] <bowlofeggs> i actually dislike the more permissive licenses, but another option might be to relicense as MIT or something like that
[20:38:56] <bowlofeggs> then you don't need the copyright on patches, so no CLA
[20:39:10] <bowlofeggs> the GPL is my fav license so it hurts me to say that
[20:39:18] <Holger> But then your competitors can do the open core thing.
[20:39:26] <bowlofeggs> but you might have an easier time with the contributor community
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[20:39:32] <bowlofeggs> Holger: yeah that's true
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[20:39:56] <bowlofeggs> Holger: but they still don't have your closed bits, and your brand and support
[20:39:58] <Holger> Which I think is the real reason GPL is chosen by companies doing Open Source.
[20:40:13] <bowlofeggs> support is a lot of what people want anyway (and it's our business model, which i'd say is quite successful ☺)
[20:40:36] <bowlofeggs> Holger: yeah that's why i choose GPL - it puts people on equal footing with me
[20:40:58] <zinid> bowlofeggs: all our new projects are Apache for this reason
[20:41:09] <bowlofeggs> yeah
[20:41:13] <zinid> ejabberd is just historical
[20:41:28] <bowlofeggs> so could i contribute to the apache licensed ones without a CLA?
[20:41:49] <bowlofeggs> (just so i know for next time)
[20:41:59] <Holger> bowlofeggs: Well my point was that the GPL makes sure others will *not* be put on equal footing with the copyright holders 🙂
[20:42:02] <zinid> bowlofeggs: well... I think yes, but go figure 🤔
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[20:43:39] <Holger> bowlofeggs: No idea whether the RH 'support only' model works for everyone. P1 obviously believes the 'open core' thing makes sense for them from an economic perspective and I don't believe I know better than them 🙂
[20:43:56] <bowlofeggs> Holger: yeah i see what you mean
[20:44:11] <zinid> I saw that mremond created CLA bot for other projects, maybe by mistake, maybe not
[20:44:13] <bowlofeggs> Holger: yeah i don't know if it would work for everyone either
[20:44:21] <bowlofeggs> to my knowledge it's not been repeated
[20:44:26] <bowlofeggs> or at least, not successfully
[20:44:26] <zinid> just ask him about this too in the email
[20:45:10] <Holger> bowlofeggs: All your competitors, no? SUSE, Canonical, ...
[20:45:23] <bowlofeggs> canonical has done closed source stuff
[20:45:25] <bowlofeggs> SUSE is rad though
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[20:45:36] <Holger> Nextcloud, MongooseIM,…
[20:45:37] <bowlofeggs> but neither of those reached our scale, so maybe i should say it that way
[20:45:45] <zinid> Holger: open core provides promotion and testers, I know that for sure
[20:45:45] <Holger> True.
[20:45:48] <bowlofeggs> yeah nextcloud is cool
[20:46:01] <bowlofeggs> open core is def more popular
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[20:46:26] <bowlofeggs> i do wish nextcloud weren't php (/me shudders)
[20:46:31] <bowlofeggs> but it works really well
[20:46:32] <bowlofeggs> i run one
[20:46:46] <bowlofeggs> i started my career at nortel doing php
[20:46:56] <bowlofeggs> i didn't know the horrors i was creating at the time
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[20:47:11] <zinid> > Holger: open core provides promotion and testers, I know that for sure
I mean I know this is the exact reason all our projects are OSS
[20:47:11] <bowlofeggs> then two ceos went to jail in a row and i "upgraded" to java
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[20:47:38] <Holger> zinid: Yup.
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[20:47:55] <bowlofeggs> yeah open source also helps with contributions, though this is the point i wanted to try to make with mremond, because a CLA will limit how many contributors you get
[20:48:06] <bowlofeggs> to me, that contributor thing is AWESOME
[20:48:38] <bowlofeggs> my full time job is https://github.com/fedora-infra/bodhi and i get lots of patches from people that aren't on our payroll
[20:48:41] <bowlofeggs> which is cool
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[20:49:45] <bowlofeggs> obvs you'll still get people that can/do agree to the CLA
[20:51:13] <bowlofeggs> well no matter what happens, i'm still quite happy that processone is publishing awesome free software
[20:51:28] <bowlofeggs> ejabberd is great
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[20:53:10] <zinid> thanks for this 😍
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[20:57:17] <sebastien> Bonsoir, je suis a la recherche d'un conseil
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[21:08:22] <edhelas> I think it's better in english there :)
[21:09:07] <sebastien> c'est ma crainte. mon anglais est pas suffisant pour ce genre de problème :)
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[21:11:16] <sebastien> Following an attempted migration (missed) from a metronome server (a fork of prosdy) to ejabberd. I turned off my metronome instance for 2 or 3 hours and put an ejabberd server online to test. The tests are inconclusive at the moment, so I restarted my metronome instance. (simply, start / stop, no change conf) but since the restart I no longer have a status of my contacts including one that runs with a server ejabberd, one can as if having been online (with a self-signed certificate) and especially a server without the good roster had put on a blacklist. Strange fact I create an account on another server that blocks me but manually adding the new contact it works. Do you know there is a mechanic in ejabberd that could have got me out, for example the server is unjust or invalid for a while so blacklist?
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[21:16:36] <sebastien> if anyone has an idea about this kind of problem I'm interested. thank you so much
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