Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[09:02:54] <nz> Any idea how to make ejabberd use a specific network interface, or use a socks proxy, in other words make it route through tor outbound
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[09:05:13] <nz> A user of mine would like not only to connect to our server inside the tor network via an .onion address [already implemented], he'd like to use a JID such like aurora@23nl6mcbq4n4b6ira5vpt5midtlrstdc2rjjypvrwpxvaddxbzpvgjyd.onion [done via editing ejabberd hosts directive] and he's able to register an account like that, but then of course there's no way for the server to route traffic to other hidden services inside the tor network, so the solution would be either to wrap the entire machine behind tor [but that's not what we want] or else to simply have ejabberd route through tor for outbound connections so that it knows how to reach another .onion server
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[09:10:34] <nz> [btw although C2S works perfectly for my @23nl6mcbq4n4b6ira5vpt5midtlrstdc2rjjypvrwpxvaddxbzpvgjyd.onion, why can't I message my nz@os.vu account from there? ejabberd knows how to reach that server, what's the issue there? even if I message my other account on a normal domain that is hosted by the same ejabberd server, ejabberd isn't able to reach itself to deliver the message to the clearnet account, even though it would be localhost! With loglevel 5 ejab says 503]
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[09:15:55] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> nz like https://modules.prosody.im/mod_onions.html ?
[09:17:24] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Maybe start ejabberdctl via torsocks or proxychains or smth
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[09:20:21] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Or better yet iptables & proper config: https://www.grepular.com/Transparent_Access_to_Tor_Hidden_Services
[09:20:29] <nz> > [btw although C2S works perfectly for my @23nl6mcbq4n4b6ira5vpt5midtlrstdc2rjjypvrwpxvaddxbzpvgjyd.onion, why can't I message my nz@os.vu account from there? ejabberd knows how to reach that server, what's the issue there? even if I message my other account on a normal domain that is hosted by the same ejabberd server, ejabberd isn't able to reach itself to deliver the message to the clearnet account, even though it would be localhost! With loglevel 5 ejab says 503]
Sorry, cancel my note about localhost not working. Localhost does work, that makes sense, it wouldn't have made sense if it had not worked. About nz@23nl6mcbq4n4b6ira5vpt5midtlrstdc2rjjypvrwpxvaddxbzpvgjyd.onion not being able to reach other servers on the clearnet however it's strange.
[09:20:46] <nz> > Or better yet iptables & proper config: https://www.grepular.com/Transparent_Access_to_Tor_Hidden_Services
Thank you so much I'll take a look right now
[09:20:50] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> But...this allows you to send to hosts...but said hosts can't reply to you if THEMSELVES don't have the same setup...
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[09:21:21] <nz> > But...this allows you to send to hosts...but said hosts can't reply to you if THEMSELVES don't have the same setup...
Absolutely, this is a very edge case that would only work between aenigma nodes
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[09:25:13] <nz> > nz like https://modules.prosody.im/mod_onions.html ?
This is *exactly* what I need. Where do I send candies to the ejabberd team so that they can port it to ejabberd? ;]
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[09:25:35] <nz> > Or better yet iptables & proper config: https://www.grepular.com/Transparent_Access_to_Tor_Hidden_Services
Very interesting thanks, I'll look into this now
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[09:31:28] <Holger> > About nz@23nl6mcbq4n4b6ira5vpt5midtlrstdc2rjjypvrwpxvaddxbzpvgjyd.onion not being able to reach other servers on the clearnet however it's strange.
You won't have a valid certificate for the .onion name.  The remote server might or might not insist on that, but if it doesn't, it'll attempt dialback auth, which will fail as that name doesn't resolve to a reachable IP address.  Either way the remote server will obviously not be able to respond.
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[09:35:31] <zinid> > This is *exactly* what I need. Where do I send candies to the ejabberd team so that they can port it to ejabberd?
only over my dead body
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[09:36:30] <zinid> anyone feel free to implement it in ejabberd-contrib, though
[09:36:45] <zinid> but this will never go in master branch
[09:37:19] <Holger> zinid: What's bad about rebar3 BTW?
[09:37:24] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> zinid nz didn't say master... "to ejabberd"
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[09:37:27] <Holger> (Never looked into it.)
[09:37:35] <zinid> Holger, doesn't have C compiler, you need backends
[09:37:38] <zinid> also it's slower
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[09:37:54] <Holger> Ah.
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[09:40:00] <zinid> относительно
[09:40:03] <zinid> oops
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[09:49:58] <nz> > Very interesting thanks, I'll look into this now
Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: YOU'RE A GENIUS
[09:50:00] <nz> It works
[09:50:27] <nz> nz@hs1.onion to nz@hs2.onion on two separate servers federating over tor
[09:50:52] <nz> It also works between the two servers from clearnet JID to onion JID
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[09:51:40] <nz> of course both servers must be configured to route .onion domains over Tor, but that's not an issue for us as we just need to upgrade our servers and it's done! THANK YOU
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[09:54:23] <nz> > You won't have a valid certificate for the .onion name.  The remote server might or might not insist on that, but if it doesn't, it'll attempt dialback auth, which will fail as that name doesn't resolve to a reachable IP address.  Either way the remote server will obviously not be able to respond.
Yes, of course TLS certs won't be valid for the onion domain but in this case it's safe to skip the error. Thank you!
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[09:55:29] <Holger> This was about reaching other servers on the clearnet, but whatever.
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[10:03:49] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> nz forth link https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tor+iptables+redirect+onion&ia=web
first answer
Y U no search first?
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[10:10:28] <Holger> zinid: Did you look at #2876 (you added the 19.05 milestone)?
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[10:13:07] <Holger> zinid: I don't understand it.  He says mod_stream_mgmt:bounce_message_queue() "is leading to a while true kind of situation if the message box is very large, since the ejabberd_c2s terminated function is called after mod_stream_mgmt function if mod_stream_mgmt is enabled."  Sounds like he means ejabberd_c2s will re-bounce the messages bounced by mod_stream_mgmt.  I don't think that's true, as mod_stream_mgmt 'stop's the c2s_terminated queue after bouncing, so ejabberd_c2s won't re-bounce.
[10:13:19] <Holger> zinid: If you didn't look into it I'll just ask him.
[10:15:17] <Holger> Maybe the *new* ejabberd_c2s process dies right after resumption or something.
[10:15:32] <Holger> Or I'm just overlooking something again.
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[10:17:10] <marek> Punpaaaak
[10:17:11] <marek> .
[10:18:51] <Holger> mod_stream_mgmt 'stop's the c2s_terminated *hook*, dammit.
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[10:24:13] <zinid> Holger, nah, I didn't look into it
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[10:24:25] <Holger> Ok, I'll ask him.
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[11:48:34] <nz> > This was about reaching other servers on the clearnet, but whatever.
Yes, that will clearly not work unless they're correctly configured
[11:48:46] <nz> As you said
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[11:50:49] <nz> > nz forth link https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tor+iptables+redirect+onion&ia=web
> first answer
> Y U no search first?
That's a very specific search, I had searched a lot but everything was related to concealing the entire server behind tor
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[12:43:15] <Licaon_Kter> nz: this is specific to clearnet on clearnet and onions on Tor, since the whole certs issue makes mixing up fail
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[13:35:55] <Steven Roose> Things like a shortcut to fetch all OMEMO keys of all users. Even though you shouldn't trust a MUC server to give you all the OMEMO keys of users on other servers 😕 hmm
[13:36:56] <Steven Roose> I'm still seeing a lot of cases where an older private group chat (I say older because it means all participants should have ample time to fetch members' keys), even where all users are on the same server; but where some users still don't send to all other users' keys.
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[14:58:31] <flow> Steven Roose, improving the OMEMO XEP is the opportunity to improve OMEMO UX
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[14:59:05] <Steven Roose> flow, yeah but it only has the existing infra to use, right
[14:59:44] <Steven Roose> It needs to work within the framework of MUC member lists (with muc-local JIDs f.e.), PEP nodes, ...
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[15:00:04] <Steven Roose> Not sure what kind of infra MIX will add. That then the OMEMO XEP could leverage to improve OMEMO UX.
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[17:08:01] <APach> Next Ejabberd releases will support RHEL 8?
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[17:46:37] <APach> I mean prebuilt .rpm from Ejabberd team.
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[18:15:06] <zinid> no idea, need to ask Christophe, he is responsible for the builds
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[18:57:18] <zinid> github has borked issue templates again?
[18:57:43] <zinid> M$ github
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[19:50:41] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: didn't I reported them as broken a while ago?
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[19:51:10] <zinid> Licaon_Kter: did you?
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[19:51:19] <zinid> whatever
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[19:52:38] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im:443/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/dRUmgRqaFkKgZxju5AgHMCOW4y2nIfriNJHJSGdY/sjyRKF9sSLaf4Eds5Sob7Q.jpg
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[19:58:17] <zinid> meh
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[22:02:13] <zinid> so I came to HN to read about hardware garbage collectors and the thread is occupied by Rust Strike Force 😣
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[22:05:14] <Licaon_Kter> zinid:  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[22:09:48] <zinid> now I read shitloads of how bad garbage collectors from people who don't even know how they work...
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