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[09:01:40] <gallinodeluxe> Hi people,
I have an ejabberd server successfully running for a domain.
I want to add another domain, so I add the domain under "hosts:"
I don't want to change anything else in the configuration (same external authentication, etc.)
Restarting the server, i got this error:
https://pastebin.com/NARpAdMY
"Problem starting the module mod_http_upload for host welcomeitalia.it"
I think I am missing something, but what?
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[09:06:19] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: you should change put_url
[09:06:59] <zinid> honestly this must be fixed in ejabberd
[09:08:26] <Holger> gallinodeluxe: Use @HOST@ within the put_url.
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[09:13:14] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> zinid fixed as is "fixed value" or what? Isn't the server admin responsible for what it configures?
[09:13:27] <Holger> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: This restriction sucks.
[09:13:50] <zinid> also error message sucks šŸ™‚
[09:14:01] <zinid> but not sure what can be done here
[09:14:03] <Holger> I mean the restriction that you can't use the same put_url for multiple vhosts (unless it contains the @HOST@ keyword).
[09:14:08] <Holger> zinid: Old version, it's better now.
[09:14:13] <zinid> ah, okay
[09:14:14] <Holger> The error message I mean.
[09:14:53] <Holger> ```
            ?ERROR_MSG("Multiple virtual hosts can't use a single 'put_url' "
                       "without the @HOST@ keyword", []),
```
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[09:17:42] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Holger That error message is great, compared to what gallinodeluxe got at least.
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[09:18:51] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> Actually that limitation doesn't make any sense....at least when using `external_secret:` IMHO
[09:19:22] <Holger> He could also configure mod_http_upload only for a single vhost and point to it from the others using mod_disco's extra_domains, but meh.
[09:19:46] <Holger> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: Right, with external_secret there's no such limitation.
[09:20:10] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> šŸ¤˜
[09:20:15] <Holger> Well there is, but just because it's not special-cased in the code.
[09:20:30] <Holger> This crap should just be fixed :-)
[09:22:20] <Holger> Right now ejabberd needs to figure out which vhost the PUT request belongs to in order to authenticate the upload.
[09:22:49] <Holger> Also to apply vhost-specific config settings.
[09:25:27] <Holger> We could either have the client add the vhost to some HTTP header, but that wasn't in 0363 originally and I'm not sure which clients support that.
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[09:25:49] <Holger> Or do something similar to external_secret, and encode the vhost into the URL somehow.
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[09:39:35] <zinid> Holger, in my new module (which also uses http urls) I just put virtual host in the url path
[09:40:21] <zinid> i.e. if the url is configured as https://domain.tld/foo/ the resulting url will be https://domain.tld/foo/vhost/
[09:41:12] <zinid> but I see how we will face backward incompatibilites with such approach in mod_http_upload
[09:43:26] <Holger> Might be okay to blindly append it to the PUT (but not the GET) URL, yeah.
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[09:49:42] <gallinodeluxe> Ok, using @Host@ in the put_url make it works, but obviously this break the files upload (because I didn't have "https://domain1:5444/upload" and "https://@domain2@:5444/upload", but olny "https://@servername@:5444/upload")
How can I fix that?
[09:50:04] <gallinodeluxe> Ok, using @Host@ in the put_url make it works, but obviously this break the files upload (because I didn't have "https://domain1:5444/upload" and "https://domain2:5444/upload", but olny "https://servername:5444/upload")
How can I fix that?
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[09:53:32] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> gallinodeluxe move the files around?
[09:54:22] <gallinodeluxe> Licaon_Kter I don't understand, sorry. What do you mean?
[09:54:50] <Holger> gallinodeluxe: You mean you don't have DNS records for those domains?
[09:55:19] <Holger> gallinodeluxe: Then use `put_url: "https://servername:5444/upload/@HOST"`.
[09:55:41] <gallinodeluxe> Ok, now I understand. thanks
[09:55:43] <Holger> @HOST@ (trailing @ was missing).
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[12:26:00] <gallinodeluxe> one more questions about domains: by default the domains can see each other domain if I undestand.
there is a way to mantain each domain separated? (each user can talk or participate in muc of his domain only)
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[12:30:05] <Licaon_Kter> gallinodeluxe: disable server-to-server I guess
[12:30:29] <Licaon_Kter> S2S ;)
[12:35:12] <gallinodeluxe> Uhm I'm not sure what do you mean šŸ˜¢
[12:35:22] <gallinodeluxe> (i'm relatively new to ejabberd šŸ™‚ )
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[12:39:12] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: via a third-party module
[12:39:53] <zinid> https://gist.github.com/zinid/2525b45610422838c87b88f2847f9bfe
[12:40:18] <zinid> this will isolate all your virtual hosts
[12:40:33] <gallinodeluxe> ok, so there is no "native" way to do this?
[12:40:36] <zinid> no
[12:40:46] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: disabling 5269 does nothing?
[12:41:02] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, internal communication is not passed through s2s, that's too expensive
[12:41:24] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: between locally hosted ones...oh...I see
[12:42:14] <Licaon_Kter> Shouldn't that module sit in -contrib instead of a random gist?
[12:43:40] <Licaon_Kter> > internal communication is not passed through s2s, that's too expensive
I'll need to update docs. then...
[12:44:01] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, yes, it should sit in ejabberd-contrib, but I'm too lazy
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[12:44:59] <gallinodeluxe> Thank you both šŸ˜ƒ
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[13:30:17] <gallinodeluxe> There is no way to add a virtual host on the fly without restart the server?
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[13:37:23] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: `ejabberdctl reload-config` will (un)load new virtual hosts
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[13:40:02] <gallinodeluxe> Uhm, I read about ejabberdctl reload-config that only updates Acl and Shapers. Listening ports, virtual hosts, /clustmodules and all major stuff will keep unmodified.
So this is not true anymore?
I have ejabberd 18.01
[13:40:25] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: yeah, the doc is outdated
[13:40:39] <zinid> ejabberd currently is able to reload everything
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[13:40:54] <gallinodeluxe> wonderful
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[13:41:28] <zinid> not sure about 18.01 though... you're better off upgrading
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[13:42:41] <zinid> I think nothing has been changed after 18.01 in this regard, so most likely 18.01 is okay
[13:44:11] <zinid> ejabberd is even able to switch databases on reload, we use it a lot in production
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[13:46:47] <gallinodeluxe> Ok, I'll try the realod and see if it works.
ejabberd 18.01 is the last version in the ubuntu repository, that's the reason we are using it
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[13:49:13] <poVoq> Jabber.at has a .deb repo that should allow updating to 18.12 on Ubuntu18.04
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[13:49:32] <poVoq> Sadly no 19.02 yet
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[13:59:42] <gallinodeluxe> thank you poVoq
[14:01:37] <gallinodeluxe> ejabberdctl reload-config is working šŸ¤Ÿ
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[14:07:40] <gallinodeluxe> What is a reasonable max number of virtual hosts for a single ejabberd server, in your experience?
[14:09:55] <poVoq> Probably not limited by virtual hosts but rather overall users
[14:11:10] <gallinodeluxe> ok
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[15:00:50] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: I would not go far beyond 1000
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[15:01:09] <zinid> 1000 virtual hosts I mean
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[15:01:32] <gallinodeluxe> ok. There is a specific reason?
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[15:02:15] <gallinodeluxe> I'm start to thinking to scalability (the aim is to give the a "company chat" to every customer of my company)
[15:02:52] <gallinodeluxe> so I'm starting to ask if a single ejabberd server is enough, if I have to cluster some server, and so on
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[15:11:01] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: start up time and initial memory consumption will be high, otherwise it will work fine
[15:11:27] <Licaon_Kter> gallinodeluxe: what's user count, total? Per domain?
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[15:11:49] <zinid> and it doesn't depend on clustering: every node will load full vhosts configuration
[15:12:03] <gallinodeluxe> most of them are little or medium business. 1-30 users. Some are bigger
[15:13:03] <gallinodeluxe> zinid ok, so I need separate server with separate config files, and a balancer
[15:13:33] <zinid> or that, servers will connect via s2s in this case
[15:14:07] <Holger> Yes if you have millions of vHosts with just 1-30 users each, you just need millions of Licaon_Kter-style Pis :-)
[15:14:11] <zinid> let's say you can split them by 100 vhosts per server
[15:14:41] <gallinodeluxe> Holger ahah not millions. Thousands
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[15:15:11] <gallinodeluxe> zinid please, go on.
[15:15:19] <Holger> A few hundred work just fine for us.
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[15:15:26] <Holger> But yeah, we don't have thousands.
[15:15:45] <zinid> Holger: thousands is a problem
[15:16:02] <Holger> Ok.
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[15:16:34] <zinid> 5k domains consumed 1.5 minutes on start and around 3Gb of memory, it doesn't grow linearly for some reason
[15:16:49] <Holger> Ah.
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[15:17:12] <zinid> it can be improved of course
[15:17:24] <zinid> just there were no demands
[15:17:27] <gallinodeluxe> zinid those benchmarks are public?
[15:18:08] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: just take default config, add shitload of domains in `hosts` and start
[15:18:19] <gallinodeluxe> AHAHAHAH
[15:18:24] <gallinodeluxe> I will do it
[15:19:41] <zinid> 1000 loaded in 10 seconds on my machine, but it's on my development branch with new configuration processor
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[15:20:35] <zinid> somehow 5000 takes much more time and memory, something hinders it to scale, I didn't investigate it
[15:20:45] <zinid> yet
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[15:24:27] <gallinodeluxe> ok. what is the purpose of s2s? different ejabberd with different domains can talk to each other?
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[15:24:45] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: different xmpp servers
[15:24:48] <gallinodeluxe> (I think we don't want different domain to see each other)
[15:24:55] <zinid> it's xmpp standard feature
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[15:25:16] <Licaon_Kter> gallinodeluxe: what's user count, total? Per domain?
[15:25:16] <Licaon_Kter> *ballpark
[15:26:07] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: in that case don't enable s2s, but you still need mod_isolation to isolate virtual hosts on a single server
[15:26:28] <gallinodeluxe> ok, I understand.
[15:27:33] <gallinodeluxe> last question for today šŸ˜ƒ
max number of users for a single server? Obviosly it depends on processor, memory, etc, but do you have a number in your experience?
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[15:28:02] <zinid> it also depends on usage
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[15:28:15] <zinid> use RTB for benchmarking
[15:28:24] <zinid> it's really hard to say
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[15:29:45] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> gallinodeluxe those will just chat, right? No file uploads?
[15:30:21] <gallinodeluxe> Well, no. Also file uploads šŸ˜ƒ
[15:30:55] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> eh, so imagine a RPi3+ can handle 500 users (well on one domain) and extrapolate from there šŸ˜‰
[15:31:28] <zinid> gallinodeluxe: if you want all features from compliance suite it will consume around 1Gb per 1000 users. Note this is *very* rough estimate
[15:31:39] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> (without file uploads, or with good enough storage it goes up to 1500, fyi)
[15:31:59] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> zinid that number kinda matches mu tests then
[15:32:09] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> *my
[15:32:13] <zinid> Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]: yeah, plus/minus
[15:33:13] <gallinodeluxe> ok, thank you all
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[15:35:13] <poVoq> https://thomas-leister.de/en/migrating-trashserver-prosody-ejabberd/
[15:35:26] <poVoq> For some recent figures of a big servet
[15:35:31] <poVoq> For some recent figures of a big server
[15:36:52] <gallinodeluxe> šŸ™
[15:36:57] <poVoq> Maybe talk to the JSXC guys who run a dynamic xmpp hosting service for people with their own domain
[15:37:15] <poVoq> So that is probably a similar setup
[15:37:59] <poVoq> https://www.jsxc.org/managed.html
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[15:41:31] <gallinodeluxe> ok, I'll give it a look
[15:43:20] <Holger> > if you want all features from compliance suite it will consume around 1Gb per 1000 users
We see about 300-400k per user at max.  Plus whatever the SQL engine eats (which heavily depends on how much RAM you let it allocate for caching).
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