Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, June 17, 2019< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[10:17:37] <zinid> Holger,
> Failed to establish outbound s2s connection * -> conversations.im: Connection failed: connection refused
[10:18:09] <moot> Conversations is down for maintenance
[10:18:14] <zinid> okay
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[10:24:25] <Holger> https://twitter.com/ConvIM/status/1139534417750351872
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[10:33:17] <zinid> Holger, the comment is correct 😕
[10:33:44] <zinid> I personally don't think such downtimes are acceptable for a commercial service
[10:34:35] <reset> Once or twice per year is acceptable (for updates etc)
[10:34:43] <reset> But more than that is not
[10:34:58] <reset> Though i dont use conv.im
[10:34:59] <zinid> reset, I don't remember twitter goes down that often honestly
[10:35:29] <reset> zinid: indeed, but if it goes once per year it wont be a big deal
[10:35:35] <MattJ> If payment is monthly, I don't think you can argue that a month with hours of downtime should cost users the same amount as a month with no downtime
[10:35:38] <zinid> especially with ejabberd you can make updates without downtime, you just need to fire up another machine, migrate sessions and restart, then down the machine
[10:37:03] <reset> I dont say any of you are wrong, just trying to justify or give a reason for it
[10:37:13] <zinid> whatever, whatsapp is more stable for example
[10:37:23] <zinid> so you cannot convince users to use XMPP
[10:37:27] <MattJ> They also have a lot more money :)
[10:37:46] <zinid> not sure this is a valid excuse
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[10:38:05] <reset> > whatever, whatsapp is more stable for example
> so you cannot convince users to use XMPP
Xmpp is not only conversations.im though
[10:38:18] <zinid> reset, true
[10:38:34] <reset> Dunno if there exist any good server to use as an example (mine certainly not :p)
[10:38:50] <zinid> but I know what users typically say, I used to be an admin for a large XMPP service
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[10:39:18] <zinid> (not to mention our commercial SaaS servers, where downtime costs us money)
[10:39:59] <Holger> zinid: Yes, we can obviously not compete with WhatsApp in this regard.
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[10:40:23] <reset> Why would downtime cost you money? Your client should pay you for your service and support no matter what
[10:40:42] <zinid> reset, it depends on contract details
[10:41:14] <reset> Btw i dont think conversations.im have that big of userbase/paid users
[10:41:25] <reset> > reset, it depends on contract details
Cant argue that
[10:41:29] <Holger> And yes HA would be nice.  Not completely trivial on the SQL side tho, and also increases risk of unplanned downtimes due to complexity.
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[10:43:59] <mightyBroccoli> GaleraCluster is always fun to set up.
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[10:49:45] <zinid> I'm not talking about HA, just upgrades
[10:50:17] <zinid> HA is hard indeed, just because "true" HA is when your machines located in different datacenters and it's a PITA
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[12:21:33] <zinid> Holger, for the record, I added postgresql to Travis services, but now it fails with access denied during table creation
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[12:23:32] <Holger> ...
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[12:31:00] <Phantom> Holger: All the best for a smooth Upgrade on ConvIM service.. Happy Sail....
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[12:38:02] <nz> > HA is hard indeed, just because "true" HA is when your machines located in different datacenters and it's a PITA
Do we have metrics on high latency ejabberd clusters? I remember reading that mnesia needs low intra-node latency to work correctly, but what if the backend is psql/patroni as is now the default for us? Could ejabberd run in a global cluster assuming no additional latency is provided by db [which would probably be a multi-master setup at that point]?
[12:38:52] <nz> I currently run my three node cluster on three VPSs located in the north, middle, and south of Italy respectively
[12:39:37] <nz> And it works very nicely both with mnesia and with with psql, even though I admit I don't have great metrics yet to prove this beyond a general feeling of great responsiveness and robustness
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[12:45:19] <Holger> !version conversations.im
[12:45:21] <Servant> Holger: conversations.im is running ejabberd version 19.05.13-conversations.im on unix/linux 4.19.0
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[12:46:20] <zinid> Holger, cutting edge!
[12:46:25] <zinid> Holger, did you get any problems with the config?
[12:46:46] <Holger> .13 is one commit behind your new config parsing, sorry.
[12:46:59] <Holger> I had no time to test this first.
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[12:54:29] <zinid> ah
[12:54:41] <zinid> well, that was wise 😉
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[13:04:47] <Holger> MattJ: Payment is yearly :-)
[13:07:15] <MattJ> Holger, good to know :)
[13:07:34] <Holger> FWIW I was estimating no more than 1h of downtime and just announced "up to several hours" to fail on the safe side.  Turns out we failed on the safe side, as usual, sigh.
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[13:09:28] <flow> Holger, looking forward to reading your battle story ;)
[13:09:44] <Holger> Hah.
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[14:18:17] <nz> > dist-upgrade just hanging for no reason, so I had to kill dpkg and clean up the mess.  Then firmware updates taking forever.  Then Debian's ifupdown crap failing to bring up multiple addresses (I should really switch to systemd networking foo).  And so on.
Is there anything you can and would have time to share about your setup on conversations.im? I figure it's probably one of the most carefully deployed instances out there, would be fascinating to know what's going on behind the scenes.
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[14:29:56] <Holger> It doesn't even have HA 😉
[14:30:52] <Holger> I compile Erlang and ejabberd myself into some home directory, and then there's lots of stuff specify to things such as domain hosting; I don't think this helps others a lot.
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[14:45:48] <nz> > It doesn't even have HA 😉
why not? i chose ejab specifically because of the fact it clusters so well, and not even you are using it? 😉
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[14:53:52] <Holger> Main reason is server cost TBH.  Proper hardware + hosting is expensive, so a cluster of three of those is, well, thrice as expensive.  In other words we're still too small, but yes I'd consider it if we grow further.
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[15:13:07] <nz> Are there notable performance improvements in compiling ejab locally as opposed to installing from .deb file?
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[15:15:51] <Holger> Probably not, I'm just doing that because I'm patching ejabberd anyway (and want to be able to do it on-the-fly).
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[15:22:57] <nz> ok, nice
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[20:37:32] <marek> > dist-upgrade just hanging for no reason, so I had to kill dpkg and clean up the mess.  Then firmware updates taking forever.  Then Debian's ifupdown crap failing to bring up multiple addresses (I should really switch to systemd networking foo).  And so on.
This is where containers are having advantages: you don't need to clean up.
Anyways *thumbs up* for the upgrade.
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[22:05:02] <flow> hmm I'd argue that this is also true for proper package mangers and packaged software
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