Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, June 19, 2019< ^ >
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[05:07:23] <Holger> Steven Roose: That's not standard. And no the user JIDs are not added to the members list by the server just because the domain is on the list.
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[07:07:22] <zuglufttier> Thanks Licaon_Kter, I might take a shot at that some time in the future.
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[10:30:52] <Steven Roose> Holger, how about the participant list? I don't really know the difference between member and participant lists. My question is because of OMEMO. So let's say domain.tld is in the member list and alice@domain.tld joins the room. Where will her name show up for other people in the room to fetch her OMEMO keys? If she goes offline, will her name still be in the OMEMO list?
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[10:33:49] <Holger> Steven Roose: You don't want/need the domain thing together with OMEMO. OMEMO only works in private members-only rooms, where new members are invited by existing ones. The invite adds them to the members list which OMEMO clients use.
[10:34:29] <Holger> I don't really see use cases for the domain thing at all, except weird ones.
[10:36:26] <Holger> Steven Roose: "Participants" are those currently online and joined to the room. "members" are those who are *permitted* to join a private room.
[10:37:33] <Holger> I.e. there's no "participants list" in the database.
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[15:01:42] <edhelas> https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2019-June/036185.html \o/
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[15:05:25] <zinid> edhelas: so fast
[15:06:23] <edhelas> yup :3
[15:06:45] <edhelas> can't wait for ejabberd support :]
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[15:52:03] <Phantom> > zuglufttier: https://gist.github.com/e880b6fcf54ad0b813182ae875409658
> See hosts, uncomment the ports, host_config, and at the end append_host_config
> Note that I'm just in the evaluation phase since clients are not that great on Android
> Eg. I'm looking at baresip and Linphone, both in F-Droid
Licaon_Kter: Are you using same ejabbed instance with your DnS sip.domain.tld or a separate SIP Server
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[16:01:38] <Steven Roose> > I don't really see use cases for the domain thing at all, except weird ones.
Holger: we have a MUC for our server.
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[16:01:48] <Licaon_Kter> Phantom: same RPi ;)
[16:02:11] <Steven Roose> So you're saying I should have a script that adds new registered users to the member list?
[16:02:34] <Phantom> Licaon_Kter: So Internal Ejabbed Mod_sip but on Rpi 1 , 2 or 3..???
[16:02:47] <Steven Roose> I don't want it to be public. But new users on the server should be able to enter. It's basically their "how does all this xmpp shit work anyway" help channel :D
[16:02:51] <Licaon_Kter> Phantom: 1 and 3+
[16:03:23] <Holger> Steven Roose: And that needs OMEMO?
[16:03:29] <Steven Roose> Holger: that's why I was also interested in mod_default_bookmark and shared roster to somehow get those users to see the chat from the start.
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[16:03:44] <Holger> Steven Roose: Anyway yes then you'd need to auto-invite on registration.
[16:04:14] <Steven Roose> Doesn't really need OMEMO, no. Conversations will try to, though. Because it's private.
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[16:04:42] <Steven Roose> And since most of our new users are onboarded with Conversations, it's annoying to tell them to turn off encryption for the first chat they enter..
[16:04:54] <Steven Roose> And it works in Conversations. It handles the domain member quite ok
[16:05:14] <Holger> Well OMEMO doesn't. 🤷‍♂️
[16:05:35] <Steven Roose> Dino doesn't. I'm trying to resolve that with fiaxh. But if it's an ejabberd thing, he probably shouldn't and I should probably stop using it.
[16:06:15] <Holger> Yeah I wouldn't waste time on that. As I said that's weird use case. Just make it a public room.
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[16:06:51] <Steven Roose> Holger, can you ack that OMEMO spec refs member list and not participant list?
[16:07:26] <Holger> I don't think MUC-OMEMO is specced anywhere.
[16:08:09] <Steven Roose> It's not??
[16:08:18] <Phantom> Licaon_Kter: so 1 is for ejabberd and another one for SIP... Sorry I am little confused... As to me it's world class optimization if RPi 1 is running ejabberd with SIP support 👍👏
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[16:08:37] <Licaon_Kter> Phantom: no, 1 got upgraded, main one is 3+
[16:09:13] <Licaon_Kter> The thing is clients are flimsy, not sure STUN/TURN is ever used...needs more testing
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[16:09:58] <Steven Roose> Holger, XEP-384 at least doesn't mention it. That's really bad, though. I think it definitely should be.. We're talking with Wire people about how well-spec'ed XMPP stuff is 😕
[16:11:05] <Phantom> Licaon_Kter: But Man with RPi3... You Deserve Thumbs Up.... 👏👏👏👌👌👌
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[16:28:01] <Licaon_Kter> Phantom: me? Not really...I didn,t code these efficient daemons
[16:29:24] <Phantom> Licaon_Kter: Yup I know coding credit  goes to process one team but as an admin you must have done some real tweaking... I am impressed by the way...
[16:31:32] <Licaon_Kter> Phantom: no tweaking....really....
[16:31:41] <Licaon_Kter> Is that efficient :)
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[16:32:00] <Phantom> Licaon_Kter: ;)...ya
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