Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Friday, June 21, 2019< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[07:32:58] <pme> That one maybe? https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-turn-ipv6-03
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[07:35:20] <Licaon_Kter> pme: it would be absurd to not have that
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[07:37:00] <zinid> pme, yep, seems like
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[12:41:11] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, just for the record, I made it possible to define host_config and append_host_config multiple times, fuck it
[12:41:35] <zinid> seems like people rely a lot already on this
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[12:49:43] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: you got feedback from Bussiness users?
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[12:58:41] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, no 😉
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[13:05:35] <Licaon_Kter> Then why bother?  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[13:19:44] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, I saw it's used elsewhere in other configs, let's say that 🙂
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[14:11:21] <Steven Roose> Is MIX supposed to solve the annoyance that when I leave a chat on one device, my other devices don't take notice?
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[14:12:47] <Steven Roose> IMO there should be two (three including the neutral one) "intents" for a MUC: (1) I consider myself a member, this chat should be permanently open, (2) open this chat by default on this device. (3) being nothing of the former
[14:13:21] <Steven Roose> Private group chats will almost all fall in the (1) category. But some public chats that are important to you should also be able to.
[14:13:43] <Steven Roose> And then there are some that are like passive channels f.e. that you'd want to have open only on desktop.
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[14:14:38] <Steven Roose> Anyhow, I'd already be very happy if MIX (or something else) would bring us the (1) case. Just an always-open chat. And of course a state sync of those, meaning that if I take that status away from a chat, that all devices take notice.
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[14:40:54] <Holger> How does MUC (with PEP bookmarks) fail at that?
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[14:42:43] <Holger> Clients should be able to sync the list of open groups at any time. And maybe have a knob to disable that sync like Conversations has in the Expert Settings.
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[15:30:14] <Steven Roose> Holger, well, for one it's not a message that the server sends to the client, so it's a passive check that the client needs to make at intervals.
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[15:31:28] <Steven Roose> Also, AFAIK the bookmark spec defines the "auto open" flag on bookmarks as "to be opened by default on startup". I don't think there is any mention of closing the chats when that flag is detected to have changed to be off.
[15:32:01] <Steven Roose> So it would be unstandard behavior for a client to start closing rooms based on the "open on startup" flag.
[15:33:04] <Steven Roose> I agree that once there is (1), it's up to clients to implement (2) because it's a purely local decision, doesn't need any syncing.
[15:33:49] <Steven Roose> Even though somehow users will expect identical behavior any time they open a web client f.e. even if that's technically a new client (resource).
[15:34:03] <Steven Roose> But yeah, that's out of the scope I was trying to address.
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[16:44:46] <zinid> !uptime trashserver.net
[16:44:47] <Servant> zinid: trashserver.net is running since 2 days 23 hours 58 minutes 33 seconds
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[18:09:03] <zinid> !version zinid.ru
[18:09:04] <Servant> zinid.ru is running ejabberd version 19.05.48.
[18:09:16] <zinid> dogfooding in progress
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[18:30:57] <Holger> > Holger, well, for one it's not a message that the server sends to the client, so it's a passive check that the client needs to make at intervals.
The point of PEP is that it's pubsub, not poll.
[18:31:19] <Holger> It's sent to the client whenever a new bookmark is published.
[18:33:06] <Holger> Steven Roose: And you don't need MIX to address your standards exegesis issues 🙂 I think it works just fine in practice for clients that support PEP bookmarks, at least Conversations and Gajim (Converse.js might be weirdo in this regard dolunno).
[18:33:10] <zinid> Holger, your mod_deny_omemo is borked 😀
[18:33:17] <Holger> zinid: Oh noes!
[18:33:29] <Holger> How does it fail?
[18:33:42] <Holger> Your new config parsing?
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[18:35:12] <zinid> Holger, yes, the fix is simple
[18:35:34] <zinid> `econf:acl()` instead of `fun acl:access_rules_validator/1`
[18:37:36] <Steven Roose> > It's sent to the client whenever a new bookmark is published.
Holger: I was actually thinking about that, didn't know if it was true. That's cool :) I don't like the concept of changing expected behavior from spec though. Could be added to that "modern xmpp" guideline xep or something. But well I agree the workaround is fine in practice.
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[18:41:35] <Holger> Steven Roose: Well I guess the wording is just because XEP-0223 came as an afterthought. You can easily create a OR if you think it needs fixing 🙂
[18:42:36] <Steven Roose> OR?
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[18:46:37] <zinid> Holger, I fixed it in ejabberd-contrib 😉
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[19:18:08] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: I'm on 52 FFS...dog fooding you are lol
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[19:18:25] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, where did you take 48, o_O
[19:18:27] <zinid> oops, 52
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[19:18:56] <Licaon_Kter> I dunno, maybe the commit numbering thing is borken?
[19:19:01] <zinid> maybe
[19:19:04] <zinid> I see 49 only
[19:19:39] <Licaon_Kter> ` sudo -u ejabberd ejabberdctl status`
> The node ejabberd@localhost is started with status: started
ejabberd 19.05.52 is running in that node
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[19:19:51] <zinid> zomg
[19:19:54] <zinid> time machine!
[19:19:57] <Licaon_Kter> `sudo -u ejabberd ejabberdctl status`
> The node ejabberd@localhost is started with status: started
> ejabberd 19.05.52 is running in that node
[19:20:02] <Licaon_Kter> Ummm..wait...
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[19:22:46] <Licaon_Kter> `ls -la /usr/local/lib/`
> drwxr-xr-x  5 root root  4096 iun 11 22:36 ejabberd-19.05.16
> drwxr-xr-x  5 root root  4096 iun 20 17:29 ejabberd-19.05.52
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[19:23:00] <Licaon_Kter> I'll update later...
[19:23:11] <Licaon_Kter> *restart
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[19:30:48] <zinid> iun iun iun iun
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[19:31:51] <Licaon_Kter> Oh, new commits...ok... .57 is HEAD, done...
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[19:41:41] <Holger> > OR?
PR against the xsf repo.
[19:41:52] <Holger> zinid: Thanks.
[19:42:17] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, 57 is HEAD? wtf? My HEAD is 49
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[19:45:43] <Licaon_Kter> zinid: yup, you mixed up branches?
[19:46:07] <zinid> me?
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[19:46:15] <zinid> I don't think so 😀
[19:48:14] <Licaon_Kter> I've done a distclean 2 days ago on openssl1.1.1c update so I'm not sure it's an issue on my side
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