Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Sunday, September 15, 2019< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[07:19:00] <Alacer> Well No Offences but anyone tried this Xabber Server based on Ejabberd...
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[07:23:31] <kris> What does it bring new to the table?
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[07:26:21] <Licaon_Kter> kris: some yet to be translated russian XEPs that _"Сделать XMPP снова великолепным"_
[07:27:25] <kris> Well, that tells me nothing ;)
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[07:30:23] <Alacer> May be a web based management interface... Usually for minor tasks It come Handy especilly if one is using cell phone...
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[07:32:12] <kris> Other than the existing admin webinterface?
[07:33:41] <Licaon_Kter> Exactly...but I see that the code appeared, as expected given the license
https://github.com/redsolution/xabber-server
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[07:48:32] <zinid> wow, AGPL
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[07:48:53] <zinid> > When a modified version is used to provide a service over a network, the complete source code of the modified version must be made available.
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[07:56:08] <kris> I guess they don't want to contribute back upstream... (knowing that AGPL is unrealistic with Processone in the picture).
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[08:35:36] <flow> Can you just relicense an existing codebase you have no copyright on?
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[08:40:47] <zinid> flow, sort of, you cannot change a license from GPL to AGPL of a particular file, but you can mix both GPL and AGPL files, in which case the whole project becomes AGPL
[08:41:23] <zinid> already figured that out in conversations@ 🙂
[08:42:24] <zinid> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-compatibility.en.html
>  We have set up a special kind of explicit compatibility between them: you can include source code under the GNU GPL version 3 together with other source code under the GNU Affero GPL in a single combined program. This is permitted because both of those licenses explicitly say so, and the effect is that the GNU AGPL applies to the combined program. However, you can't simply relicense code from the GNU GPL (with or without “or later”) to the GNU Affero GPL, or vice versa; neither of these licenses gives permission for that.
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[08:47:00] <flow> zinid, ok, but they give the impression that every line of code is know under the AGPL, which does not seem quite correct, some lines/files are still under the GPL, no?
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[08:47:43] <zinid> > and the effect is that the GNU AGPL applies to the combined program
^^^^
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[08:48:10] <zinid> I don't know what that means, though
[08:48:41] <zinid> does that mean that users now are able to request sources of the whole running service, or only of AGPL files?
[08:50:04] <Daniel> i think the thing about gpl and agpl are that they are infectious
[08:50:31] <Daniel> meaning once you take one file that is agpl it automatically infects the entire program
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[08:51:50] <zinid> then my statement is correct
[08:52:37] <kris> Yeah... honestly I like the AGPL, and maybe Processone should just relicense themselves ;)
[08:52:40] <Daniel> well i guess once you've received the source code you can remove the agpl files and then it is gpl again
[08:52:57] <Daniel> because every line of code written by you remains gpl
[08:53:23] <kris> Strictly speaking no, but who would be able to tell the difference?
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[08:58:04] <zinid> kris, AGPL will not allow us to run modified services for customers
[08:58:49] <kris> Yeah, I know. But you could just open those modifications
[08:59:41] <flow> Is is infectous, but I believe the GPL code still is also GPL licensed
[09:00:05] <zinid> flow, the code itself yes, but "the project" is not, from what I understand
[09:00:09] <kris> I know complicated business decision. Might be a preemptive security against amazon running ejabberd services for IoT though
[09:00:17] <Daniel> > flow, the code itself yes, but "the project" is not, from what I understand
That's my understanding
[09:01:03] <kris> Not quite... the relevant part is always the distribution
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[09:01:28] <kris> By the time of receiving the files they are all under the agpl
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[09:01:57] <kris> But that is a technicallty
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[09:04:05] <kris> Think of it that way... someone hands you an envelope with the files and asks you to sign the usage license.
[09:04:49] <kris> You only sign the agpl, which are then the terms under which you are allowed to use the files
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[09:06:24] <kris> Of course one you open the envelope you can figure out that there is another vendor willing to give you another envelope with a subset of these files under the GPL.
[09:06:48] <kris> Of course once you open the envelope you can figure out that there is another vendor willing to give you another envelope with a subset of these files under the GPL.
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[09:51:24] <Holger> > kris, AGPL will not allow us to run modified services for customers
Well you don't need to adhere to the eCS license for the BE, as long as you have the copyright on all code, which is the reason people like me sign that CLA, no?  Obviously won't help with Xabber though, assuming Nenakhov won't sign that thing.
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[09:54:34] <Holger> But I mean I doubt they'll come up with interesting code.
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[10:25:58] <zinid> > Well you don't need to adhere to the eCS license for the BE
I don't know 😕 Won't customer's users annoy the customer to provide sources?
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[10:31:08] <kris> Let me rephrase that for you :p "will customers of our customers maybe ask our customers for a better service?"
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[10:31:59] <kris> Which likely results in more business for your
[10:32:17] <kris> But of course it could backfire
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[10:47:48] <Holger> zinid: They can't, the customer is using your BE under a different license.
[10:48:42] <zinid> do I understand correctly that the license itself is not applied to the author?
[10:48:47] <Holger> I mean you don't even need to give out source code to the customer right now, as you don't need to adhere to the GPL.
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[10:49:11] <zinid> then probably AGPL is even better indeed
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[10:50:49] <Holger> zinid: Yes the copyright holder is free to give out a given piece of code under different licenses. The problem is only if Holger contributes code under the GPL. So you let me sign that CLA that gives you the copyright over the code I contributed. Which you then can hand out to customers under arbitrary licenses.
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[10:51:11] <zinid> I see, thanks
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[11:28:04] <jonny> ... That's why I like the
http://www.wtfpl.net
🙂😀
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[13:02:11] <zinid> jonny, same as Public Domain I think
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[13:14:28] <jonny> Wait it's not like GPL
[13:14:28] <jonny> Yep but a little bit easier explained..
Oh I hate licenses 🙂
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[17:39:47] <kris> Hmm, having an issue with mod_http_upload
[17:41:07] <kris> My setup with 18.12 and a single domain was working fine, but now that I updated to 19.08 and added a second vhost it complaints that the upload URL needs to contain @host@
[17:41:51] <kris> But that is impossible in my case as the external upload server is on a completely different subdomain
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[17:43:13] <kris> And if I put the old mod_http_upload setting under a specific host_config it complaints that this is invalid there
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[17:51:26] <kris> Never mind, seems like I forgot the modules: under host_config 🤦‍♂️
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[17:57:29] <kris> Hmm, ejabbered then starts, but I still can't upload files...
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[18:02:38] <kris> Anyone got some idea?
[18:03:23] <Daniel> kris, you should probably be more detailed on what "i can't upload" means
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[18:04:31] <kris> The paperclip is not there in conversations
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[18:16:30] <Licaon_Kter> kris: paste the http_upload section
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[18:20:46] <kris> https://pastebin.com/GjTFr83G
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[18:23:10] <kris> Ahh, maybe I need to use append_host_config instead?
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[18:25:46] <Licaon_Kter> What does the server log say when you upload?
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[18:27:00] <Licaon_Kter> kris: for modules yes, use append
[18:27:11] <kris> I can't upload at all
[18:27:17] <kris> Ok trying now
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[18:32:30] <kris> Ok, seems to have done the trick. Thanks
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[19:21:15] <Ben> Seems like my server is having issues with dino.im
[19:22:23] <Ben> They should probably upgrade to ejabberd
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[19:26:19] <Licaon_Kter> Ben: umm?
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[19:32:55] <Ben> lol
[19:33:36] <Ben> OK before I jump to conclusions, is chat@dino.im down or is it just me having the problem?
[19:34:11] <lovetox> its not down
[19:34:33] <Ben> maybe it is my fault then
[19:34:40] <Licaon_Kter> Ben: you've just posted 123 there
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[19:35:36] <Ben> Was it about 15 minutes ago?
[19:35:43] <Licaon_Kter> Yup
[19:35:55] <Ben> OK then maybe something borked on my ened
[19:36:08] <Ben> but I don't know what I could try to fix it short of restarting ejabberd
[19:36:20] <Ben> which probably has minimal value anyway
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[20:08:51] <zinid> Ben, read the log first
[20:09:02] <zinid> `grep dino.im ejabberd.log` is a good start
[20:09:17] <Ben> Momenton
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[20:13:09] <Ben> 2019-09-14 16:00:37.488 [info] <0.16310.0>@ejabberd_s2s_in:process_closed:131 Closing inbound s2s connection dino.im -> ********: Stream closed by local host: XML stanza is too big (policy
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[20:13:32] <Ben> Closest thing I get to an error is this one, the rest seem like normal messages (eg idle connection closed)
[20:14:01] <Licaon_Kter> Oh classic prosody involving error
[20:14:26] <Ben> They already know about it, I think
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[20:14:35] <Ben> I remember we were discussing it a few days ago in the chat
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[20:15:17] <Ben> Licaon_Kter: man what I tell you earlier ;)
[20:16:48] <Licaon_Kter> Ben: without any info? Yeah...trust me...I'm a doctor
[20:17:25] <Ben> You can trust me though
[20:18:22] <Ben> If two servers have trouble communicating it's logical that the issue may stem from the server software itself
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[20:19:02] <Ben> I'm guessing there's nothing I can do about it though
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[20:21:10] <Ben> Anyway I'm off to bed
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[21:00:56] <zinid> Licaon_Kter, why is it a prosody error? Maybe it's something else sending huge XML
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[22:25:42] <Licaon_Kter> Saw Zash or MattJ mentioning it or smth
[22:25:46] <Licaon_Kter> IIRC
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