ejabberd - Monday, December 2, 2019

ejabberd

Monday, December 2, 2019< ^ >

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[12:03:30] <g1ga> my ejabberd 18.12.1-2 ~ bpo9 + 1 server is under a spam attack. the attack consists of mass registration with fake accounts
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[12:04:04] <g1ga> am i in the right place to ask for this
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[12:04:06] <g1ga> ?
[12:04:57] <Kris> Disable inband registration?
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[12:06:45] <Kris> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#captcha
[12:06:56] <Kris> Maybe another option
[12:07:06] <Kris> But I never tried that myself
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[12:14:05] <g1ga> i have set a captcha on mod_register
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[12:15:32] <Kris> If you disable in band registration, this is a really nice way to offer out of band sign ups and account self management
https://beherit.pl/en/wordpress/plugins/ejabberd-account-tools/
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[12:25:56] <Kris> I wish this was modernized https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/ircd
[12:26:26] <Kris> There are so many cool irc bots that could work with ejabberd then 🤔
[12:27:33] <atom> g1ga:  I am working on spam protection registration, but now it is not ready
[12:29:52] <Kris> > I wish this was modernized https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/ircd
Anyone up to contributing to a bounty for this?
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[12:48:19] <Holger> Kris, it allows IRC clients to join MUC rooms.  I think interest in this functionality tends towards zero these days.
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[12:48:50] <Kris> Why? I am hight my interested 😜
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[12:49:12] <Kris> Mainly for using all the very nice irc bots though
[12:49:25] <g1ga> atom: is badly needed some proper spam protection
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[12:49:40] <g1ga> disallow in-band cannot be the only solution
[12:49:54] <Kris> There are also much more bridges that work with irc than with xmpp
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[12:49:57] <Holger> Kris, I'd much rather use an XMPP bot; and extend it if it's missing any functionality.
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[12:50:22] <Holger> Kris, if the IRC bot you have in mind does any non-trivial tasks, chances are it won't work via such a bridge.
[12:50:39] <Kris> Yeah, in theory. But this would give access to all those niche irc bots that will never work with xmpp
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[12:50:54] <Holger> Kris, you won't be able to use such an IRC bridge just because ejabberd offers a (limited) IRC interface to clients.
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[12:51:28] <Kris> Na mostly just niche functionality like bot bridging with mumble. No advanced irc features needed.
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[12:52:08] <Holger> Kris, depending on what exactly you want to do, you might be interested in https://biboumi.louiz.org which offers the opposite: Joining IRC channels (and 1:1 IRC chat) from an XMPP client.
[12:52:15] <Kris> Holger: why not? For simple bots it would look just like another irc server no?
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[12:52:40] <Holger> Kris, for simple bots you just want to use a simple XMPP bot rather than such an ugly workaround.
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[12:53:24] <Kris> Biboumi is nice, but for simply allowing irc bots to join a xmpp muc it doesn't work
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[12:53:37] <Holger> Kris, Mumble, isn't that VoIP stuff?
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[12:53:47] <Kris> Incl. Chat
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[12:54:27] <Kris> The problem is that the xmpp bit ecosystem is almost non existant. Even the hubot xmpp pluginvrecently broke
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[12:54:49] <Kris> While irc has a lot of really nice bot systems abailable
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[12:55:00] <Kris> While irc has a lot of really nice bot systems available
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[12:55:42] <Holger> No doubt there's more IRC bots, but as I said if they're trivial it would be much cleaner and most probably also easier to duplicate their functionality using some XMPP library rather than offering an IRC interface.
[12:55:50] <g1ga> atom: blacklists can do nothing
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[12:56:07] <Holger> And if they're non-trivial they probably won't work.
[12:56:24] <Licaon_Kter> g1ga:
> i have set a captcha on mod_register
They bypass that?
[12:56:35] <atom> g1ga: Yes, there is no solution now.
[12:57:08] <Kris> Holger: worth a try. I think a general solution even if a bit of a hack is better than having to reimplement everything, which will likely never happen anyways
[12:57:21] <atom> Licaon_Kter: yes
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[12:57:53] <Holger> Kris, updating/maintaining that ircd thing will likely never happen anyways either so no difference in that regard 😉
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[12:58:40] <Kris> Once it is working with a current ejabberd server it would not break that quickly again, no?
[12:59:14] <Holger> Hah.  I'm updating my trivial contrib modules once every few months to cope with ejabberd changes.
[13:00:01] <Kris> Hmm, then maybe a server component would be better... more stable api ;)
[13:00:04] <g1ga> atom: maybe some smart regex can stop "no dictionary names"
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[13:00:50] <Kris> But I am still willing to pay a bounty to have ircd updated.
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[13:01:27] <atom> g1ga: helps blocking Tor and VPN
[13:01:39] <Holger> Kris, personally I see a bit more of a use case for actual room bridges such as http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/jirc-bridge/
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[13:02:12] <Holger> Kris, i.e. IRC users join a proper IRC channel, XMPP users a proper MUC room, and the thing bridges both.  Would also cover your use case I guess.
[13:02:23] <Kris> Is that different from matterbridge?
[13:02:52] <Kris> I thought about doing that. But selfhosting irc is such a mess :(
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[13:03:04] <Holger> Maybe not, never tried Matterbridge.
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[13:03:30] <Kris> Holger: but it is a bot bridge no?
[13:03:55] <Kris> So all messages are relayed through a single user?
[13:04:00] <Holger> No.
[13:04:15] <Holger> Those are crap.  This one joins once per user.
[13:04:16] <atom> Kris:  bots are a better solution than bridges
[13:04:32] <Kris> Hmm, does it work with freenode?
[13:04:34] <Holger> (But it's totally outdated.)
[13:04:40] <Holger> I doubt it works at all 🙂
[13:04:48] <Kris> Ok :/
[13:04:59] <Holger> This was just an example of what I think would be a better solution than ejabberd emulating IRC.
[13:05:30] <Kris> I disagree, as seldfhosting IRC is a total mess :(
[13:05:38] <Kris> I disagree, as self hosting IRC is a total mess :(
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[13:09:44] <zinid> > I disagree, as self hosting IRC is a total mess :(
why?
[13:10:12] <Holger> You're not self-hosting an ircd anyway, you're just self-hosting the bridge thing.
[13:10:25] <Holger> You'd be self-hosting an ircd if you used that contrib module 🙂
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[13:11:24] <Holger> (Apart from that I don't know why either.  I do operate an IRC server and it's basically no work at all.)
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[13:12:31] <Holger> Well, apart from the occasional DDoS you get from operating public IRC servers 🙂
[13:12:42] <Kris> Juggling all the different needed components? Add a bouncer? No thank you. That is a maintenance nightmare
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[13:13:24] <Kris> And most public instances only allow bot bridges
[13:13:26] <Holger> I need just a single binary called `ircd`.  Then again this is IRCnet, I guess today's youth networks may be more complex.
[13:13:38] <Kris> Not those that create many users
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[13:14:05] <Holger> For those I'm aware of you just ask their support for an exception.
[13:14:09] <Kris> Ok ircnet or oragono is better in that regard
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[13:14:29] <Holger> (IRCnet, freenode, OFTC, ...)
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[13:14:56] <Holger> But whatever 🙂
[13:14:59] <Kris> I don't like asking :)
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[13:20:06] <atom> Holger, zinid do acl s2s settings exist for blocking one account instead of the whole server
[13:20:55] <atom> Holger, zinid Do acl s2s settings exist for blocking one account instead of the whole server?
[13:21:11] <Holger> Nope.
[13:22:09] <g1ga> atom: do you have any "smart" regex i can block random names to register in
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[13:22:38] <g1ga> i have user_regex: "^[a-z0-9_-]{4,15}$"
[13:22:52] <atom> g1ga: no
[13:22:55] <Holger> Not what he asked for I guess 🙂
[13:23:25] <Holger> atom, `mod_spam_filter` from ejabberd-contrib would do that though it's a bit overkill.
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[13:28:42] <atom> Holger: Thanks.  yes this module performs the necessary action
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[14:06:35] <edhelas> so ejabberd has a build-in TURN server ? it can act as a relay for video/audio streams ? 🤔
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[14:08:53] <edhelas> does ejabberd supports XEP-0278: Jingle Relay Nodes ?
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[14:20:18] <zinid> edhelas, no, that xep is not supported
[14:21:44] <edhelas> ok :)
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[14:40:07] <Kris> wow an xep not supported by ejabberd, that's uncommon. Prosody has supprt?
[14:41:10] <Kris> ah, but STUN/TURN is supported. I guess that's just as good?
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[14:42:36] <edhelas> yeah but it seems it's the only way to discover turn credentials
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[15:04:32] <Holger> edhelas, just use the XMPP credentials for the moment?
[15:05:21] <Holger> ... as there's no XEP-0215 support in ejabberd so far.
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[15:07:14] <pep.> Kris, supporting all XEPs ever is probably not a goal of any implementation (apart from Gajim? But maybe even Gajim gave up on that goal :p)
[15:07:43] <Kris> Gajim FTW though :p
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