Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, December 23, 2019< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[04:22:02] <Anonymous User> I honestly wish there were more guides on setting up ejabberd on modern infrastructure
[04:22:36] <Anonymous User> Every guide for XMPP leaves out reverse proxies and  advanced load balancing features
[04:23:44] <Anonymous User> I'm literally just pulling my hair out at just trying to get ejabberd to work behind a reverse proxy of any kind and it just never works, all these guides were written 10 or more years ago
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[04:27:13] <Anonymous User> I did actually find a guide written in 2018 it looks like, but it just does a obsolete method of just setting it up on a server bare, not containerizing it or anything, throwing out years of modern DevOps practices
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[04:29:03] <Anonymous User> I would honestly write a guide for 2019/2020 but I just have no idea why every attempt I do either the client or server resists doing things the correct way, so circumventing it is even more difficult
[04:29:52] <Anonymous User> Sorry for the rant, but I've just been hitting my head against the wall trying to understand how I can get all these moving parts working together
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[04:51:17] <Licaon_Kter> Anonymous User: do read this https://gist.github.com/54d4656cc753b98e1dc0d81a59a73faa
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[04:59:37] <Anonymous User> Read over that multiple times already
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[05:00:39] <Licaon_Kter> Anonymous User: and?
[05:00:48] <Anonymous User> I understand most of the parts relevant to what I'm trying to do, but NGINX or something in the middle makes it impossible to work with
[05:00:49] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, no Haproxy...
[05:01:16] <Licaon_Kter> Anonymous User: what's special about your "modern infra" ?
[05:01:28] <Anonymous User> Haproxy has forwarded my requests while it seems nginx gets stuck at negotiating sni
[05:01:47] <Anonymous User> Nothing is special about it
[05:02:13] <Anonymous User> It just runs ejabberd in a kubernetes cluster
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[05:02:55] <Anonymous User> Since the cluster doesn't have 1 central IP, I have to use a proxy to negotiate where the requests go
[05:04:00] <Anonymous User> The proxy is where I get stuck, and while it's not a ejabberd specific problem nginx and haproxy support have been less than helpful, probably because most of them also don't understand XMPP
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[05:13:05] <Licaon_Kter> Since 1.13.10 nginx does...you do have a newer version, right?
I'm using sslh since nginx had issues with websockets in my case,
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[05:45:05] <Anonymous User> I'm pretty sure the version I used supported it
[05:45:28] <Anonymous User> I also remember building from master to get the results I wanted
[05:46:55] <Anonymous User> I don't think ALPN is a relatively new feature anyway, so whatever distro I used should have supported it
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[08:29:53] <zinid> > not containerizing it or anything, throwing out years of modern DevOps practices
WTF did I just read?
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[08:30:16] <Anonymous User> Is there something wrong with that statement?
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[08:44:31] <zinid> I doubt dockers is the right way to run ejabberd
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[08:57:34] <Anonymous User> Why wouldn't it be?
[08:58:10] <Anonymous User> Even if it's not the right way, it certainly isn't the wrong way
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[09:23:50] <Holger> It totally depends on use case and environment. And if you say anything else is obsolete 'cause "hey it's 2019 and yay DevOp" it doesn't sound like a convincing rationale for adding the complexity of containerization.
[09:25:03] <Holger> Either way I think this is something you should only do if you don't need random tutorials to help you with that.
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[09:34:25] <Kris> Besides that, running Ejabberd in Docker behind a Traefik.io reverseproxy is super easy.
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[16:55:57] <Anonymous User> Kris: perhaps it is, maybe I'm missing something obvious
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[16:59:49] <Kris> Kybernetes is not for beginners I guess
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[17:09:43] <Man_Life> I need a program to retrieve pictures of computer after formate
[17:09:53] <Man_Life> Anyone can help me?
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[17:15:07] <kevin> of a computer? or from a computer.
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[17:15:42] <kevin> oh i see what your saying. You wanna get pictures from a computer after you formatted the partition?
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[17:17:26] <Holger> ejabberd can't do that 😉
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[17:19:10] <Man_Life> kevin, yes
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[17:19:44] <kevin> Man_Life, once you format the partition you cant get those files back.
[17:21:21] <Man_Life> kevin, There are programs to recover photos from the hard. But I do not have a program
[17:21:37] <kevin> you can try a linux recovery disk
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[17:21:54] <kevin> and just use unix commands to copy over
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[17:40:55] <marc> it is (still) necessary to reload ejabberd when the certificate file changed?
[17:41:03] <marc> not using ejabberd's ACME client
[17:41:18] <marc> s/it is/is it
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[17:42:59] <kevin> i still do it
[17:43:13] <kevin> i reboot the program when i install a new SSL key
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[17:44:39] <marc> kevin: reload is sufficient
[17:44:49] <kevin> really?
[17:45:03] <kevin> i tried reloading before and it never changed the Cert
[17:45:07] <marc> kevin: you can even update ejabberd without downtime ;)
[17:45:15] <kevin> no way
[17:45:26] <marc> Ask zinid 🙃
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[17:46:33] <kevin> hmm
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[17:50:14] <kevin> I wanna migrate to mysql from mneisa and add custom tables to JID accounts
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[17:50:30] <kevin> should i upgrade the server first?
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[18:21:10] <Holger> > kevin: you can even update ejabberd without downtime ;)
Only individual modules actually.
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[18:21:23] <Holger> > it is (still) necessary to reload ejabberd when the certificate file changed?
Yes.
[18:21:39] <kevin> hm it never worked for me
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[18:21:44] <Holger> > I wanna migrate to mysql from mneisa
Why?! 😱
[18:21:49] <kevin> yes
[18:22:10] <kevin> cause i want to add custom tables to the ejabberd
[18:22:12] <Holger> Don't.
[18:22:12] <kevin> and i dont understand how mensia works
[18:22:18] <kevin> dont?
[18:22:23] <Holger> And why not add them to SQL?
[18:22:42] <Holger> Mnesia is not recommended, especially not if you use MAM.
[18:22:58] <kevin> whats MAM?
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[18:23:36] <Holger> Sigh. Server-side archiving (mod_mam). Just don't use Mnesia.
[18:24:02] <Holger> There's no tool to convert from SQL to Mnesia anyway. Everyone converts other way round.
[18:24:34] <kevin> ah that mam
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[18:24:49] <kevin> i dont use mnesia
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[18:27:19] <kevin> I just want to be able to pull data from a data base using xmpp JID sytem
[18:27:36] <kevin> I was told that i can add custom tables and that wouldnt do anything to xmpp
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[18:35:35] <Holger> That's true.
[18:36:04] <Holger> Just add custom columns to your MySQL tables.
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[19:30:03] <kevin> There is no Mysql
[19:30:46] <kevin> do i make a new database and transfer over the tables from ejabber?
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[19:34:12] <Holger> Oh sorry I misread you above. You want to switch *to* MySQL.
[19:34:22] <kevin> yes
[19:34:27] <kevin> its ok
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[20:28:40] <Anonymous User> Kris: I'm definitely not a beginner at kubernetes
[20:29:26] <Anonymous User> If you are so confidant, what does your traefik config look like? I'm willing to learn with the right resources
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[21:05:00] <zinid> > really?
> i tried reloading before and it never changed the Cert
outdated version maybe?
[21:05:30] <zinid> kevin: check with 19.09 or something
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[21:25:10] <kevin> ok would love to upgrade but should i migrate to SQL first?
[21:25:10] <kevin> zinid,
[21:26:08] <zinid> kevin: no, this is not necessary
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[21:26:22] <kevin> ok cool
[21:26:47] <kevin> So whats the best way to upgrade from ejabberd 18.06??
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[21:26:58] <kevin> also the config settings change in the new updates
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[21:30:30] <zinid> I don't remember details of updating from version X to Y
[21:31:07] <zinid> just upgrade and ask for help here if run into troubles
[21:31:28] <zinid> I don't think there will be any though
[21:31:35] <kevin> I made a seprate directory on the server and just installed it all overagain
[21:31:41] <kevin> without the configs
[21:32:05] <kevin> i plan on just transfering the configs after to the new verisson
[21:32:06] <kevin> would that cause any problems
[21:32:06] <kevin> ??
[21:32:47] <zinid> no, even if there are any ejabberd will clearly report them, just read the logs
[21:33:10] <kevin> consult the logs
[21:33:11] <kevin> ok
[21:33:51] <zinid> I would also recommend to do this at EU working hours if you want to get help ASAP
[21:34:15] <kevin> im from america
[21:34:20] <zinid> for example I cannot help you much ATM because I'm in bed already 😴
[21:34:37] <kevin> oh no
[21:34:45] <zinid> then do this in the morning?
[21:34:49] <kevin> ok ill try to get on EU hours
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