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ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, February 18, 2020< ^ >
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[08:56:43] <ben> Hey buddies, do you guys recommend using something like docker to install ejabberd? Is that usually what people do?
[08:57:17] <Licaon_Kter [web]> What's the usecase?
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[08:57:55] <ben> Just me, single instance server on my domain, with SSL etc. For use with Conversations and Dino
[08:58:05] <ben> Nothing fancy
[08:58:19] <Licaon_Kter [web]> No, Docker's...
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[08:59:15] <ben> What I'm thinking of doing it installing Clear Linux on my future server to try it out, but I'm not sure it has any native ejabberd packages. Their site seems to urge people to use things like docker and flatpak
[08:59:19] <daniel> Unless you are super familiar with docker and use that elsewhere as well I wouldn't recommend it
[08:59:32] <daniel> Just do apt-get install ejabberd and be done
[09:00:07] <ben> Do you recommend any particular distros? Debian OK?
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[09:00:16] <Licaon_Kter [web]> Or build from source.... but there's an official Docker
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[09:01:17] <daniel> Debian with backports work well for me
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[09:19:24] <ben> I'm cool with doing source, since I care about the project. I can test the latest versions from GitHub
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[09:20:30] <ben> I'm sure it didn't have any really crazy dependencies
[09:20:38] <ben> I'm sure it doesn't have any really crazy dependencies
[09:21:18] <ben> Does it even use anything other than erlang?
[09:21:19] <Licaon_Kter [web]> erlang-nox and erlang-dev
[09:21:33] <ben> What about SQL
[09:21:52] <Licaon_Kter [web]> it's included at compile time
[09:22:13] <Licaon_Kter [web]> I mean the erlang module, you need postgresql installed too of course
[09:22:18] <ben> Sweet
[09:22:47] <Licaon_Kter [web]> Holger How is Redis used exactly, just a hot-cache instead of Mnesia?
[09:23:00] <ben> Is it worth learning erlang to develop some other kinds of software? Is it just meant for network services
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[09:29:50] <Licaon_Kter [web]> Transactional stuff, dunno what does this help you with....
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[09:34:16] <ben> Maybe my own crypto currency
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[09:39:13] <Licaon_Kter> ben: yeah, of course, a must
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[09:47:09] <ben> I think we can mod ejabberd to charge users per message. A spam fighting measure
[09:50:05] <Licaon_Kter> `Zabbercoin`
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[09:51:25] <mightyBroccoli> > I think we can mod ejabberd to charge users per message. A spam fighting measure
Didn't stop sms spam prior to the internet. Cost isn't a reliable deterrent.
[09:54:32] <ben> But maybe make it so the cost of sending a message is paid to the recipient, so we'd be happy to get spam
[09:54:41] <ben> It would also promote equal interaction
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[09:57:03] <mightyBroccoli> that's a different story :D
that would be a funny business model.
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[10:53:37] <paul> Lol, that sounds like a super fun idea
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[12:15:28] <ben> We're all about fun here
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[14:13:02] <kevin> i thought docker was for testing purposes only
[14:13:14] <kevin> say for example you want to test things out before going into production
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[14:14:47] <Licaon_Kter> kevin: yes...or run your whole infra on it...
[14:15:15] <kevin> you can i just like seprating my carrots from the peas
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[14:16:14] <kevin> also zabbercoin would be a cool idea but i think people should put more into into storage and function rather than just messaging
[14:16:26] <kevin> i plan to implement ipfs someday with http_upload
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[15:03:38] <Holger> > Holger How is Redis used exactly, just a hot-cache instead of Mnesia?
Yes.
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[15:04:36] <Licaon_Kter [web]> And this is a thing people use? Important people on big networks, many users and such?
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[15:06:22] <Holger> Some Customers who know Redis already and believe it's the best thing on earth. Of course this is one of the few things Mnesia is actually better at, so it makes no sense at all.
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[15:20:18] <Licaon_Kter [web]> Thanks
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[15:24:16] <ben> I heard Mnesia can't scale
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[15:24:34] <ben> Something told me if it gets bigger than 2 mega data get lost
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[15:25:40] <Licaon_Kter [web]> 2Gb
[15:26:01] <Licaon_Kter [web]> Then again, if you hold 2Gb of hot-cache data in memory...
[15:26:10] <ben> Sorry 2G
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[15:40:17] <mss_cyclist> Do I need to restart ejabberd when the certs were renewed?
[15:40:24] <ben> But honestly why would 2gb be any sort of limitation? Surely even a simple database could grow big
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[15:40:41] <ben> mss_cyclist: Not sure but I did. I think I had to restart my http server anyway
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[15:41:49] <prefiks> ejabberd reload_config should be enough to use new certs
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[15:48:36] <mss_cyclist> How can I check the active certificate?
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[15:56:25] <Licaon_Kter> `openssl s_client -starttls xmpp -connect domain.tld:5222 -tls1_3`
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[16:08:51] <ben> Nice
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[16:13:37] <kevin> yeah why do you have to restart server when certs are renewed
[16:13:47] <kevin> i know that when i edit config theres a command to reset the config
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[16:14:52] <prefiks> you don't need issuing reload_config will update certs
[16:14:59] <prefiks> that doesn't restart server
[16:15:51] <kevin> huh
[16:15:58] <kevin> thats never worked for me for some reason
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[16:18:20] <prefiks> in old versions this happened when you changed date of a cert, but now you need to call reload_config to recognize it
[16:18:39] <prefiks> (old version being like year or two old)
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[16:22:15] <mss_cyclist> Licaon_Kter: the openssl command does not give the expiry date
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[16:26:57] <mss_cyclist> echo | openssl s_client -starttls xmpp -servername server.tld -connect server.tld:5222 -tls1_2 2>/dev/null | openssl x509 -noout -dates
[16:27:06] <mss_cyclist> That does the trick
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[16:28:04] <Licaon_Kter> :)
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