Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, March 17, 2020< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[06:59:23] <Ellenor Malik> I need to write an external chatroom component
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[09:45:39] <madmalkav> I'm going to migrate from 18.09 to 20.02 in the next weeks, so expect me to come back with my usual overthinking everything too much questions
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[09:47:29] <madmalkav> in example, here : https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/upgrade/from_18.09_to_18.12/
[09:47:44] <madmalkav> it says: you must perform some actions before starting the service
[09:48:00] <madmalkav> but those are ejabberdctl , they won't work without starting the service...
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[09:49:09] <madmalkav> also, those commands modifies the bookmarks. What happens if there is a problem and I need to stay 18.09 ? will it work OK, or will 18.09 be unable to read the bookmarks after this modification
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[10:00:09] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: that's what the dev server is for, right?
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[10:02:22] <madmalkav> I have to dump the prod db in the dev server to test that, and honestly that is a lot of work, so if someone had some kind of previous info about the process, it would be useful
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[10:04:08] <mightyBroccoli> I have a really weird problems with some/ if not all of my mucs. It seems that ejabberd is not reporting the occupant list properly. Therefore sometimes user report "being alone" in their muc even though everyone is still present. Is that some 19.09 problem?
[10:04:19] <mightyBroccoli> I have really weird problems with some/ if not all of my mucs. It seems that ejabberd is not reporting the occupant list properly. Therefore sometimes user report "being alone" in their muc even though everyone is still present. Is that some 19.09 problem?
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[10:19:00] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: export your DB from your RTB setup...c'mon ;)
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[10:19:25] <Licaon_Kter> mightyBroccoli: they can write? How many users in said MUC?
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[10:21:33] <mightyBroccoli> yes they can write, I just confirmed that. The muc is about 40 to 50 users, public without Omemo.
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[10:30:39] <mightyBroccoli> hmm I just noticed this error line
[error] <0.18925.90>@mod_muc_room:set_config:3630 set_room_option hook failed for option 'getmemberlist' with value [<<"moderator">>,<<"participant">>]
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[10:35:41] <mightyBroccoli> I think the room options for that specific room are borked somehow, as other rooms with similar configurations aren't affected.
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[10:49:33] <stefan> mightyBroccoli: have you set max_users_presence ?
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[10:51:50] <mightyBroccoli> yes but that would not affect the client list right?
Wouldn't this only limit the presence/ status broadcasts?
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[11:00:24] <mightyBroccoli> is there a reasonable default? or defaults the setting to no limit at all?
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[11:04:17] <stefan> The default is 1000
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[11:07:50] <mightyBroccoli> hmm ok, but shouldn't the clientlist still be viewable even though being throttled?
[11:08:05] <mightyBroccoli> or am I completely of the boat right now?
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[11:18:04] <badlop> What happens if there is a problem and I need to stay 18.09 ? <--- always make a database backup before upgrading, so you can rollback in case of problems
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[11:18:58] <stefan> mightyBroccoli: If a user is added to a room, the room must send presence from all existing occupants to that user.
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[11:19:21] <badlop> you must perform some actions before starting the service <-- i guess it means perform those actions with XMPP listeners disabled, so the ejabberd server is running for your admin tasks, but is not reachable for XMPP clients
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[11:21:49] <mightyBroccoli> stefan: ahh ok then I did understand that part incorrectly. Thank you for elaborating. 😊
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[12:00:00] <madmalkav> badlop: that was more or less the plan, stop listeners, backup database, run the comand, stop ejabberd, run all the other sql commands, start the new version
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[12:04:11] <Ellenor Malik> > stefan has written:
> mightyBroccoli: have you set max_users_presence ?
should i set this to 20,000 or more
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[12:29:09] <mightyBroccoli> > should i set this to 20,000 or more
I would think that not even close to a reasonable value for most deployments.
In a room that size the presence spam would be massive. 😂 Without any real benefit gained by that.
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[14:52:02] <edhelas> :version movim.eu
[14:52:06] <edhelas> 🤔
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[14:54:03] <Licaon_Kter> !versios movim.eu
[14:54:08] <Licaon_Kter> !version movim.eu
[14:54:08] <Servant> Licaon_Kter: movim.eu is running ejabberd version 19.09.1 on unix/linux 4.19.0
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[14:54:52] <mss_cyclist> Licaon_Kter: Habla Espaniol? 😛
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[14:57:11] <mss_cyclist> Licaon_Kter: Me neither. Apparantly the bot doesn't doe it as well xD
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[15:00:56] <mightyBroccoli> mss_cyclist, the bot actually only listens to his name. Is that right Servant?
[15:00:56] <Servant> mightyBroccoli the time has come.
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[20:15:21] <wire> Hello, I'd like to know if XMPP servers kept the full chatroom history, or if they rotated the logs
[20:15:28] <wire> E.g., I wanted to know if encrypting large multi-user chatrooms was useful for PFS, or to prevent a cracker from getting the full server log
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[20:17:17] <Licaon_Kter> wire: read their Policies...
OMEMO has PFS, yes, they can't extract from server...but I bet any user can be beaten until math gives up
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[20:19:00] <wire> Licaon_Kter: More specifically, I wanted to know if this was the default for XMPP server implementations, like Ejabberd
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[20:19:39] <Licaon_Kter> Encryption is client side...
Logs? Yeah...30days default MAM iirc...
[20:20:07] <Licaon_Kter> Or whatever....not sure why you'd think defaults hold any meaning
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[20:21:15] <wire> Licaon_Kter: because I suppose that software users follow the default configuration, like putting recto/verso printing the default in universities.
[20:21:34] <Licaon_Kter> Admins are not "users"
[20:21:56] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, some use defaults, but because they make sense for them....
[20:22:25] <wire> Licaon_Kter: thanks. So OMEMO seems to make sense in MUC. That's all I wanted to know. Thank you!
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[20:22:55] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, if you don't have Apple users I guess
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[20:24:31] <wire> Licaon_Kter: according to omemo.top, there are 3 XMPP clients for Apple devices (macOS and iOS) that support OMEMO. I'm not sure I get the point.
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[20:25:11] <wire> Being Beagle IM, Monal, and Siskin.
[20:25:36] <Licaon_Kter> Only CS can do OMEMO in groups at the moment, but has others issues.
Siskin/Beagle and Monal can't yet, but they have other goodies.
None as good as Conversations or Dino or Gajim
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[21:02:21] <ij> Additionally, if you are using many MUCs and need to rely on bookmark syncing of MUC, CS seems to be work best for that scenario.
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[21:03:30] <ij> If your scenario is more on some MUCs and 1:1 chats, but need MAM history working properly, then go for BeagleIM
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[21:03:48] <ij> otherwise you might want to try Monal, IMHO, YMMV
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[21:26:00] <a.novakovski> Hey
[21:27:17] <a.novakovski> I'm trying to configure my roster thing. For some reason, I have some issue with sql backend and mod_shared_roster
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[21:28:42] <a.novakovski> Right now, I switched back to mnezia db. Cause, I cannot see my shared contact otherwise
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[22:37:53] <Licaon_Kter> a.novakovski: umm?
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[22:42:06] <a.novakovski> Licaon_Kter: I'm relatively knew to this ejabberd thing. Spend the whole day trying to find a way to fix this.
My users are connected via LDAP. Without SQL, I can see all connected user (@all@ in mod_shared_roster).
But, if I switch back to mysql I need to authorize myself with all of them
[22:42:38] <a.novakovski> It's a production server unfortunatly
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