Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, March 23, 2020< ^ >
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[03:07:20] <tyler> Is there any uh... polished... open source, self hosted, video conferencing app that works on a wide variety of clients... ios, android, windows, linux... from in the browser? Like... Hangouts...
[03:07:33] <tyler> Nextcloud Talk is surprisingly garbage in my experience.
[03:08:00] <nuron> Jitsi meet maybe
[03:08:10] <nuron> But it is as well buggy
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[03:28:13] <tyler> What's the potential impact of having STUN/TURN auth set to anonymous? Not clear to me what those services expose / allow to be done.
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[06:56:45] <Licaon_Kter> tyler: just allows endpoints to find their own IPs, it should not bother you directly, except network load of course, but I had 1000 of those and no issue on RPi
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[07:24:01] <Holger> That's true for STUN. TURN is relaying media streams though. So the latter is usually auth-protected.
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[08:03:56] <An.> nuron: jitsi is really nice. Have a look at bigbluebutton if you look for something more conference/classroom oriented
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[09:37:05] <nuron> How can I check that my stun server is working?
Wanted to switch away from google stun...
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[09:37:20] <nuron> But I'm not sure if the issue is a jitsi or a coturn issue
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[10:13:42] <Holger> nuron: Jitsi only uses the configured STUN/TURN server in p2p mode (i.e. only for 1:1 "conferences", and only if enabled in config.js).
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[10:14:24] <nuron> I know
[10:14:46] <nuron> But for this case I want to not use google stun
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[10:15:26] <Holger> Personally I'd probably disable p2p altogether if you don't offer TURN. (I'm not sure Jitsi will auto-fallback to non-p2p if TURN is required but doesn't work; and I'm not sure how reliable the fallback is if there is one).
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[10:15:57] <Holger> There's STUN/TURN clients for testing but those I tried aren't really nice.
[10:16:52] <Holger> You could check the ejabberd logs for STUN entries if you get Jitsi Meet to issue requests …
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[10:19:35] <nuron> What? Ejabberd is on another host that jitsi and without any connection 🤔
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[10:20:20] <nuron> A bit ot
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[10:30:21] <Holger> Ah I was assuming you're using ejabberd's built-in STUN/TURN server.
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[10:31:37] <nuron> Ejabberd offers one?
[10:32:03] <nuron> Didn't know that
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[10:38:42] <Holger> Yeah: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/#stun-and-turn
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[10:39:08] <Holger> But you can use an external one just fine of course.  I'd hope that one would log requests as well.
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[10:41:05] <nuron> Well, in case of hosting an external one, which one should I take?
I just know coturn, but don't know if coturn is working fine
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[10:48:17] <Holger> No idea about the pros and cons of the various servers, sorry. The Jitsi and Prosody people seem to like coTURN so why not …
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[10:49:48] <nuron> OK 😅
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[10:50:50] <bammes> nuron, should be noted, that SCRAM-passwords don't allow the authenticated use of the included turn server
[10:52:09] <mss_cyclist> bammes, that is what came to my mind as well. Although I do not understand why this is.
[10:52:10] <nuron> Well, jitsi just needs stun 😅
[10:52:16] <nuron> But thank for the hint
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[10:52:55] <mss_cyclist> Encrypted passwords should be standard regarding GDPR stuff
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[11:02:53] <Ellenor Malik> Turn-through-jabber
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[11:06:51] <Holger> nuron: Most 1:1 A/V streams can be negotiated using STUN, for some you'll need TURN.  This is true for Jitsi's p2p mode just as for any other A/V solution.
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[11:07:31] <Holger> https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/turn.md
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[11:20:55] <nuron> Thx
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[11:32:13] <bammes> mss_cyclist: as far as I understood: the authentication in the turn protocol does not support SCRAM auth
[11:32:29] <bammes> mss_cyclist, same applies for the SIP implementation of ejabberd
[11:32:42] <bammes> for details, better ask the devs ;)
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[12:15:49] <Holger> nuron: https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/peerconnection/trickle-ice/
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[12:15:59] <Holger> bammes: That's true.
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[14:47:43] <An.> Hey do you recommand any nice webui to use with ejabberd?
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[14:53:55] <mss_cyclist> An what do you mean with web ui? Admin / client?
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[14:57:50] <An.> client
[14:58:24] An. is now known as AleksNovak
[14:59:51] <Kris> Conversejs
[15:00:16] <Kris> Or Movim
[15:00:29] <mss_cyclist> +1 Converse.js
[15:00:31] <Kris> JSXC 4 is also ok
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[15:38:01] <Martin Kollaard> Hello, We have an ejabberd cluster running, but I was wondering, is it possible to save the user presence to mysql? I see there is a last table in mysql, but that only saves when the user disconnects.
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[15:49:51] <mss_cyclist> Martin Kollaard, Does the name 'last' not imply that this was the last time the user was seen? This can only be determined when he disconnects. Otherwise this table must be continuously updated which would be a huge load on the server. The last information will also be needed to automatically delete inactive users after x time.
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[15:53:44] <Martin Kollaard> correct, I see for an other xmpp server there is a userstatus mod, but none for ejabberd
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[15:54:48] <Martin Kollaard> I need to know in our backend if user is online/offline
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[15:57:02] <mss_cyclist> Martin Kollaard, ejabberdctl get_presence user host
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[16:09:03] <Martin Kollaard> Ok yes, that is a possiblity to request it, I believe I can also request it via an api
[16:09:21] <Martin Kollaard> is there a list of community written modules?
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[16:09:37] <Martin Kollaard> maybe there is already something that saves it to mysql
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[17:10:40] <Martin Kollaard> not on this list https://www.ejabberd.im/contributions/index.html zo I think the answer is no it is not there yet :P
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[17:13:06] <Holger> Martin Kollaard: So you have MySQL clustered?
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[17:13:54] <Martin Kollaard> clustered? no
[17:14:20] <Holger> Martin Kollaard: You have an ejabberd cluster using a single MySQL instance?
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[17:15:03] <Martin Kollaard> correct
[17:15:47] <Holger> Martin Kollaard: You _could_ configure `sm_db_type: sql` to let the session manager use SQL rather than Mnesia.  But that'd be way less efficient.
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[17:18:24] <Martin Kollaard> ah ok, don't know what disadvance that has, only when the client connects/disconnects?
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[17:26:21] <Holger> The session manager keeps track of which client sessions are active on what nodes, so all traffic routed to clients queries the session manager's DB table.  These queries are _very_ fast with Mnesia compared to SQL, even more so if SQL is running on a remote system.
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[17:27:12] <Martin Kollaard> I see, so it is better performance to keep that running on Mnesia :)
[17:27:23] <Holger> So SQL would limit your scalability.  But if you're not hosting more than a few thousand users you probably won't notice the difference.
[17:28:02] <Martin Kollaard> have it on sql now local
[17:28:05] <Holger> So in that case I'd see the use case for using SQL, i.e. easily querying session data.
[17:28:20] <Holger> local?
[17:28:28] <Martin Kollaard> yes on my test server
[17:28:54] <Holger> Ah.  You mentioned a cluster above so in the end it will no longer be local right?
[17:29:07] <Martin Kollaard> yes
[17:29:12] <Holger> Either way the argument also holds for local SQL vs. Mnesia.
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[17:29:41] <Holger> But whether that's relevant to you totally depends on whether you'd like to scale to tens of thousands of online devices or not.
[17:31:10] <Martin Kollaard> correct, I think it is better to have sm use Mnesia, and a module just write precense to a mysql table when it changes
[17:31:25] <Holger> Yeah.
[17:31:31] <Martin Kollaard> with the eye on future things :P
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[17:32:31] <Martin Kollaard> Think I'm going to try tomorrow write a simple module for that. but never wrote something in erlang, but enough examples :D
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[17:33:18] <Holger> 👍
[17:33:31] <Holger> Just ask if something is unclear.
[17:33:54] <Holger> Once you're into it hacking ejabberd we won't let you go though.
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[18:23:38] <ajeremias> hei 🙂 is there an official docker image of ejabbered ?
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[18:31:37] <ChaosKid42> ajeremias: https://hub.docker.com/r/ejabberd/ecs/
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[18:51:25] <Kris> Holger: would using a shared redis for the session management be a compromise for performance?
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[19:00:37] <Licaon_Kter> Kris: shared with?
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[19:01:12] <Kris> Multiple Ejabberd instances as discussed above
[19:01:54] <Holger> Kris: I would assume performance to be somewhere in between, yes.
[19:02:18] <Holger> But it's not like I've seen any real world numbers.
[19:02:26] <Kris> Ok :)
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