Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Sunday, April 12, 2020< ^ >
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[00:05:01] <Demo> Holger, i have determined the root cause was stale SQL data in the xcauth package's roster. I cleared the rows and it recreated the shared rosters.
[00:05:47] <Demo> the integration between xcauth and ejabberd appears to be unidirectional, xcauth runs the ejabberdctl commands to create and maintain the shared roster table
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[06:53:26] <Holger> Demo, so now everything works with `ejabberdctl`?  (But still not in the web UI?)
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[07:40:41] <Demo> Holger, looks like after the cache changes that yes the webui works
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[07:41:15] <Demo> i am not sure if it was due to mixed db settings (i originally didn't have default_db setup), or the cache setting
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[07:47:45] <Holger> Demo, could you re-enable the cache (makes a lot of sense to use it if it works, anyway)?
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[07:48:22] <Holger> Makes a lot of sense _especially_ for shared rosters as they can generate quite some DB load ...
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[08:21:33] <Demo> in the spirit of seeing if it crashes again in the webui?
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[09:03:27] <Demo> i'll let you know if i'm able to duplicate the problem.
[09:04:02] <Demo> on another note, i see ejabberd has ACME built in now. can other applications utilize the certs, or is it better to keep certbot for maintaining several apps and ejabberd?
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[09:11:40] <Ben> https://kwiecien.us:5443/upload/9fdceccc00c9c6d4633eafbea29bd8116e8a4f51/sUXs0er1KP5oxA5kzKFUiNbNScQqLtsZbfo4K8J2/admin_panel.png
[09:11:50] <Ben> does anyone know how to fix this
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[09:14:59] <Licaon_Kter> Missing CSS or folder/files permissions wrong?
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[09:15:26] <Licaon_Kter> What ejabberd version? Webadmin stuff was fixed in HEAD
[09:15:26] <Ben> it happened once before when upgrading ejabberd on freebsd, but that time it resolved after I restarted the service
[09:15:30] <Ben> now it's being more stubborn
[09:15:55] <Ben> I think it's 20.01, just updated
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[09:17:27] <Ben> it might not just be css, it doesn't seem any of the links work (404)
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[09:19:48] <Ben> https://kwiecien.us:5443/upload/9fdceccc00c9c6d4633eafbea29bd8116e8a4f51/oqNC8KCkNKEiLwLLowMQTHfNEGQmqxqUcQXqr0cn/ejabberd_options.png
[09:19:53] <Ben> it wouldn't have to do with any of these options, right?
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[09:21:13] <Holger> Ben, does it work if you access the /admin/ URL with a trailing slash?
[09:21:18] <Ben> I can't believe they built the package without any db support
[09:21:44] <Ben> Holger, wow yes
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[09:21:53] <Holger> Ben, what package?
[09:22:08] <Holger> Ah the FreeBSD port.
[09:22:10] <Ben> it is ejabberd in freebsd 12 binary repo
[09:22:12] <Ben> yes
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[09:22:41] <Ben> it's been good so far, they keep it sensibly up to date
[09:23:34] <Holger> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/net-im/ejabberd/Makefile?revision=531114&view=markup#l55
[09:23:51] <Holger> ... looks like you could at least build it from source with SQL support ...
[09:24:12] <Holger> Dunno how/where they decide what options are set for binary packages(?) ...
[09:24:28] <Ben> generally with ports if you compile them (which is how ports is supposed to work) it offers you any compile-time options
[09:25:17] <Ben> I think whatever the defaults are is what goes into the binary repo
[09:25:23] <Holger> Yeah (I've been using FreeBSD in the past, but that was before pre-built binary packages where a thing).
[09:25:29] <Holger> Hmm.
[09:26:20] <Ben> one day I'll reach the level of building ejabberd from source and installing it manually 😀
[09:26:23] <Holger> Was mostly a NetBSD guy though.  These days I'm old and just use Linux.
[09:27:24] <Ben> I just checked ejabberd in netbsd 9's binary repo, they are providing version 18.06
[09:27:39] <Holger> Haha yes less manpower.
[09:27:41] <Ben> not sure if they too lazy to update it or if they decided 18.06 was particularly stable or something
[09:27:50] <Holger> The former, I'm sure.
[09:28:08] <Ben> I wanted to try running netbsd on my server because I like it, but I guess freebsd still the winner
[09:28:22] <Holger> But I mean now I'm into XMPP.  Which feels a lot like NetBSD, manpower-wise 😂️
[09:28:41] <Ben> you have my axe
[09:29:30] <Ben> I'm looking at the admin panel now and seeing this feature I don't think I noticed before, something like "common contact list group" (common roster group?)
[09:29:45] <Ben> too lazy to set my browser to english
[09:30:04] <Ben> oh I see in the module name, "shared roster"
[09:30:15] <Ben> what does this mean
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[09:31:23] <Holger> Allows the admin to create/maintain groups of users who will  see each other in their contact list.
[09:31:49] <Ben> hmm I might want to use that
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[09:32:13] <Holger> Assume a team at work, the list of team members is maintained server-side so everyone has the rest of the team in his contact list.
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[09:32:41] <Ben> My server is used mainly by my immediate family, so they should have each other on their rosters no matter what
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[09:47:46] <Ben> hmm I'm trying to create a shared roster group as an experiment but nothing seems to be showing on my contacts list
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[09:50:21] <Ben> oh I see the group itself has to be in the shown list
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[09:59:45] <Ben> if I add a shared roster and it introduces a contact who was already previously on my roster, is my xmpp client getting both, or is ejabberd supplying just one of them?
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[10:01:02] <Holger> Both.
[10:01:25] <Ben> hmm ok, so I guess the client decides which one to display. The ones I tested so far only show one of them
[10:01:26] <Holger> But it depends on the client how they're shown.
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[10:02:28] <Ben> most clients don't even seem to bother to show groups anymore
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[10:04:01] <Holger> Yeah, groups aren't en vogue anymore.
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[10:06:27] <Ben> I'm trying to figure out if this a good feature to use with Conversations
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[10:07:17] <Ben> just putting a JID on someone's roster doesn't mean they are automatically sending or receiving presence, or does ejabberd enable this automatically for shared roster?
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[10:07:36] <Holger> It does for contacts that are on the local roster.
[10:07:44] <Ben> that's convenient!
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[10:07:54] <Holger> (It can't for remote contacts.)
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[10:08:09] <Ben> for a remote contacts maybe it enables "send presence" only?
[10:08:41] <Ben> or I guess you can only send if the other person requests it, but you can preemptively approve send requests I think
[10:08:47] <Holger> No it just adds them to the roster without touching subscription state.  You don't want to send presence without a request.
[10:08:56] <Ben> indeed
[10:09:15] <Holger> The spec allows preemptive approve yes, but ejabberd doesn't support that yet.
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[10:10:44] <Ben> tnaks
[10:10:47] <Ben> thanks
[10:11:22] <Ben> heh I just want to use @all@ but I don't want to add the "compliance" user I created for conversations.im
[10:11:32] <Holger> 🙂
[10:11:47] <Ben> but maybe I'll remove that, I guess it's not necessary to check compliance anymore
[10:12:30] <Holger> Dunno I do like how it notices when I messages something up ...
[10:13:08] <Ben> true
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[10:13:19] <Holger> *mess
[10:13:19] <Ben> oh, this @online@ directive is weird too
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[10:13:45] <Holger> Well it made more sense in the past when people weren't using mobiles which were up 24/7.
[10:14:01] <Holger> Might be a way to get rid of your compliance account most of the time 🙂
[10:14:10] <Ben> yeah but what would @online@ do, only show a JID in your roster *IF* it's online, and remove it as soon as it goes offline?
[10:14:18] <Holger> Yup.
[10:14:39] <Ben> oh that's so weird
[10:14:43] <Holger> Yeah.  You usually don't want that indeed.
[10:15:34] <Holger> Personally I don't really want shared roster for family anyway, though.  They do cope with adding each other once (and if they didn't I'd give them Quicksy).  And then there's no room for confusion.
[10:15:50] <Ben> indeed
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[10:16:08] <Ben> in my case we're all in a private group in conversations, if they need to find each other they can find each other in the group
[10:16:59] <Holger> I think the real use case is @work where teams have fluctuating members and you want to maintain the list centrally.
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[10:23:59] <Ben> also it seems kind of weird to have yourself added as a contact
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[10:45:53] <Holger> Hm yeah mod_shared_roster should hide that.
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[13:38:22] <mss_cyclist> Ben: FreeBSD user here as well. You need to use ports for Ejabberd SQL support. But it is not that hard.
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[19:29:23] <APach> Dear.
Do i need install some extra packages if I want use sqlite3 as main database, OS Centos 8?
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[19:30:39] <Licaon_Kter> APach: how do you install ejabberd?
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[19:31:38] <APach> Dear.
Do i need install some extra packages for connection if I want use sqlite3 as main database, OS Centos 8?
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