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[06:45:01] <Licaon_Kter> `sudo -u ejabberd stat /etc/ejabberd/pam.groups.allow`
Says what? aldehoff
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[07:09:54] <madmalkav> Ummm, set max users for muc rooms to 512, but still capping at 200?
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[07:10:07] <madmalkav> Gonna add a large muc on the rtb config and see what happens
[07:10:37] <mss_cyclist> Maybe max users is a property registered at creation time of a muc?
[07:11:12] <madmalkav> Ummmm, I thought this rooms were not permanent , but perhaps they are?
[07:11:49] <mss_cyclist> Aint persistence of a room a property?
[07:12:06] <madmalkav> Doesn't make much sense on a test suite, and I haven't set default persistence to true, but I will analyze it
[07:12:09] <madmalkav> Thanks for the idea
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[07:13:47] <mss_cyclist> Cannot remeber where but I saw a property like 'keep room when last user leaves'
[07:14:26] <mss_cyclist> It is set individually for each room
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[07:14:32] <madmalkav> Yeah, but that defaults to false on ejabberd
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[07:14:56] <mss_cyclist> I guess the client which creates the room can overrule it
[07:15:17] <madmalkav> Yt doesn't make sense a load test suite like rtb will create persistent rooms
[07:15:17] <mss_cyclist> If the client defaults to true then this would explain it
[07:15:28] <Licaon_Kter> madmalkav: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2770
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[07:16:19] <madmalkav> You are always my savior Licaon_Kter
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[07:21:16] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Hmm, unless I'm overlooking something, anonymous TURN can't work.
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[07:23:36] <Holger> This stuff is always hard to test, never found a STUN/TURN command line client that's not utter crap.  I should write one myself I guess ... :-/
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[07:27:09] <Holger> Another random note, for STUNS/TURNS the 'certificate' file must be specified explicitly in the ejabberd_stun listener settings, as back in the good old days.  Gotta fix this ...
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[07:28:11] <Holger> (Otherwise you'll see crashes as soon as you reloaded ejabberd with renewed certificate files.)
[07:30:20] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: FWIW my very dirty workaround for Jitsi Meet right now is to hard-code TURN credentials in ejabberd_stun and Meet's config.js (i.e. anyone looking at my JavaScript can use my TURN server; my way of offering anon TURN to Jitsi).
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[07:40:48] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: i'll take a look at that...
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[07:51:38] <madmalkav> Setting muc max users to 512, after some load web interface will give me a Not Found when I try to open the muc list
[07:51:51] <madmalkav> Seems it was too much for this poor little server
[07:52:27] <madmalkav> Also , message in rate dropped dradtically at some point
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[07:55:33] <Holger> madmalkav: Would be interesting whether you can significantly further if you disable presence in the MUC config.
[07:55:38] <Holger> s/can/get/
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[07:57:12] <madmalkav> Ummmm, that is a good idea, but I'm trying to replicate some scenarios so I need to talk to the guy on the client side to know if that is OK for them
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[07:58:00] <madmalkav> Oh, well, I can try both and get the results anyway
[07:58:12] <madmalkav> Will try later and report back
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[07:59:13] <madmalkav> What you suggest, set presence_broadcast to moderator only?
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[08:05:26] <aldehoff> Licaon_Kter: the output is
# sudo -u ejabberd stat /etc/ejabberd/pam.group.allow
  File: /etc/ejabberd/pam.group.allow
  Size: 5               Blocks: 8          IO Block: 4096   regular file
Device: 803h/2051d      Inode: 658799      Links: 1
Access: (0774/-rwxrwxr--)  Uid: (    0/    root)   Gid: (  119/ejabberd)
Access: 2020-04-15 22:03:12.316891072 +0200
Modify: 2020-04-15 19:39:04.901857287 +0200
Change: 2020-04-15 22:22:13.956164302 +0200
Birth: -
[08:05:32] <Holger> madmalkav: Or nobody, whatever.  But don't bother if it's not interesting/relevant for your use-case.  I was just curious.
[08:06:17] <madmalkav> Me too , and it is good info to have in the future
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[08:12:52] <madmalkav> Now I'm getting Not Found on the web admin for Users Connected, even of now it has a small load...
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[08:13:31] <Holger> Hmm.
[08:13:38] <madmalkav> This web admin panel always confuses me tbh, perhaps when I get some time it is better to just get the info to zabbix or something like that with the API
[08:15:27] <Holger> Yeah I never use the web admin thing.
[08:15:44] <Holger> Except when looking into user complaints :-)
[08:15:56] <madmalkav> I rarely use it either
[08:17:21] <mss_cyclist> Seems I am the only one who is happy with it for basic useage.
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[08:18:59] <madmalkav> It is not that I'm happy or unhappy. I admin the ejabberd servers for a very big industrial company
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[08:19:45] <madmalkav> It is totally non vital system, but I have to think perhaps someday a boss of a boss of a boss will decide it is a critical system, and I need to be ready for that
[08:19:46] <mss_cyclist> madmalkav: Nice to hear that XMPP is used in real life by big companies
[08:20:39] <madmalkav> It is , you only have to see process one and other xmpp servers developers blogs
[08:21:13] <madmalkav> Holger: is presence info much more demanding than a 1024 bytes message?
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[08:21:51] <madmalkav> Because now I have a msg out of 150 pero second, msg in about 9k pero second
[08:21:57] <Holger> madmalkav: No, it's just that often the presence/message ratio is high, in practice.
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[08:22:34] <madmalkav> Presences are less , out about 30 , in about 2k
[08:23:15] <Holger> madmalkav: Yeah depending on how you set up your benchmarks you might not see a big difference.
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[08:23:47] <madmalkav> I have my benchmarks set for a relatively high (compared to rtb defaults) rate and message size
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[08:24:21] <Holger> Right.  In real-world chat rooms you usually will see a significant difference, as a given participant usually triggers way more presence stanzas than message stanzas.
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[08:26:14] <madmalkav> I must consider the scenario where some automation systems start to send messages to the users very oftenly
[08:26:32] <madmalkav> That is why I modified those parameters
[08:27:31] <madmalkav> I know my tests are probably overkill
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[08:28:34] <Holger> I see.
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[08:28:36] <madmalkav> But in this environment an application restart of other applications can have a thousand workers stopped for 5 minutes
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[08:28:47] <mss_cyclist> Couldn't you deliver those messages in MQTT and then only trigger filtered ones by XMPP?
[08:28:53] <Holger> madmalkav: Well MUC's scalability is not exactly impressive ...
[08:28:57] <madmalkav> Even if I know that is not the case with ejabberd, I must work with that mindset
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[08:29:58] <madmalkav> We are not using mucs that big. But this help me tell the guys that manage the money "if you need more than that, you either expeeeend a lot on hardware, or pay developers for implementing a mucsub client, or..."
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[08:30:00] <Holger> PubSub should be somewhat better for one-to-many IoT, or yes what mss_cyclist said.
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[08:30:49] <madmalkav> mss_cyclist: this apps only send xmpp messages to humans. Every other thing is working on other MOM protocols and infra
[08:31:01] <madmalkav> That is my "real" job, ibm mq, rabbitmq
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[08:32:23] <mss_cyclist> madmalkav: Yeah, I know industrial protocols. Was surprised to see what XMPP could add to this. Always learning
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[08:32:37] <madmalkav> There are a lot of possible scenarios, but I don't call the shots and I don't have the money, so my tool to make then do what I think it is good is tech data, lot of testing, and being able to say our systems are performing well above the requeriments
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[08:33:57] <madmalkav> If I want the company to buy support from ejabberd, or hire external developers, etc... I need to gather a lot of info, so there is no doubt I've considered everything. And even so...
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[08:36:26] <mss_cyclist> I like the idea that you get paid to experiment with optimazation of your piece of software. Normally there is nor time nor money for this
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[08:37:45] <madmalkav> There is no time or money, I do this on parallel of other stuff at the price of my mental health 😅
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[08:38:10] <mss_cyclist> Lol, that's my approach as well
[08:38:37] <mss_cyclist> Curiosity for technical solutions always wins 🙂
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[08:38:55] <madmalkav> They actually support this tests, and finance them, but not as much as we would like
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[08:45:58] <madmalkav> This was a good conversation, this led me to take a deeper look on the production server, and I think probably a test with many more mucs with less users will be more fitting for us
[08:46:30] <madmalkav> But, the way rtb works, I'm not sure I can do what I'm thinking of
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[08:52:49] <madmalkav> In rtb, if you set a muc room like medium[1..100] , you will get the total of users divided between those 100 rooms
[08:53:10] <madmalkav> So , if you have 5000 users, you will have 50 por room.
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[08:53:57] <madmalkav> But if I have 5000 users but want to test 50 users per room for 500 rooms? I think that is not doable with rtb at the moment
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[09:00:29] <Licaon_Kter> The same 50 on 500 rooms? Nope, you'd need 25000 lol
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[09:05:29] <madmalkav> Or, making separa categories
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[09:05:46] <madmalkav> I think I got how to do this
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[09:09:04] <madmalkav> I don't need a pattern configured [1..500] , but 5 patterns configured [1..100]
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[09:14:00] <Licaon_Kter [cnvrs]> did you look at the code and works like that?
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[15:12:39] <kinetik> Is there a way to clear old OMEMO keys from the server?
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[15:15:50] <Licaon_Kter> Yup...
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[15:55:15] <madmalkav> Licaon,if the question was addressed to me, my tests confirmed it works that way
[15:55:43] <madmalkav> It will be a cold day in the hell the day I can understand code written in Erlang 😅
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[16:29:01] <kinetik> Licaon_Kter, I can't tell if you're implying that the answer is obvious, or the opposite.
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[16:35:53] <kinetik> I haven't been able to find any info on it. I assume it probably has to something to do with mod_pubsub, but IDK.
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[17:41:35] <Licaon_Kter> kinetik: you can control the DB right?
[17:42:26] <kinetik> Well, sure. Are you saying that's the simplest way to do this?
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[18:19:46] <cjaushe4ka> hello. in 20.03 in web admin error
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[18:20:18] <cjaushe4ka> SIMS(image/png, 40726B, требует совместимого клиента)
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[18:20:38] <cjaushe4ka> right links is incorrected
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[18:26:53] <Licaon_Kter> cjaushe4ka: yeah. Wait for 20.04
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[18:27:02] <Licaon_Kter> kinetik: do you use SQL?
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[18:51:48] <kinetik> A little bit... the schema looked pretty scary :)
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[20:49:25] <kinetik> Licaon_Kter, yes I have postgresql as the backend for just about everything for ejabberd
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[21:03:57] <Licaon_Kter> kinetik: but, the thing is that keys are published by the clients, you can wipe them, they'll put them back
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[21:05:23] <kinetik> That's pretty much what I want. I personally have like 8 OMEMO keys from when I was playing around with different clients and ended up not using them or resetting the OMEMO keys because I didn't know what I was doing.
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