Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Saturday, April 18, 2020< ^ >
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[05:28:05] <404.city> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2699
Is the problem of supporting SCRAM passwords and calls resolved? Holger zinid?
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[05:29:26] <Licaon_Kter> 404.city: nope
For which one you need it?
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[05:30:46] <404.city> Licaon_Kter, Conversations start videocall with support STUN/TURN
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[05:36:03] <Licaon_Kter> 404.city: if you read the Conv room, XEP-0215 will be fixed (it's patched on their server now) and that will help, Holger is working on it
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[09:53:55] <rom1dep> Licaon_Kter: did you pioneer STUN/TURN for Conversations already ? :)
[09:54:28] <rom1dep> how successful was that?
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[10:11:25] <Pedro Antunes> Hi. I'm coming here because of XEP-0215. How do I configure ejabberd to support that XEP and announce custom external services? I can only find documentation about how to add STUN/TURN support into ejabberd.
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[10:12:40] <daniel> This is currently not supported by ejabberd. Next release probably. Hopefully
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[10:13:44] <Pedro Antunes> Indeed there's no rush. Thanks.
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[10:26:02] <Licaon_Kter> rom1dep: mmmnope
[10:27:52] <rom1dep> daniel: hi :)
Do you use ejabberd as the STUN/TURN server for c.im ?
[10:28:03] <daniel> Yes
[10:28:16] <daniel> But with not set mainline patches
[10:28:33] <rom1dep> ok
[10:28:42] <rom1dep> my understanding of all this is terribly superficial
[10:29:16] <rom1dep> since it acts as a relay for data streams, it's not safe to keep it unauthenticated
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[10:29:58] <rom1dep> how does conversations deal with it?
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[10:30:26] <rom1dep> I imagine there is a way for (authenticated) clients to ask for credentials to use?
[10:30:38] <daniel> Depends on what you mean by safe. You don't necessarily want to expose it to the public yes
[10:30:53] <daniel> > I imagine there is a way for (authenticated) clients to ask for credentials to use?
Yes that what 215 is doing
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[10:32:02] <rom1dep> I seem. I'll be glad to try the patches when they land :)
[10:32:37] <rom1dep> I see. I'll be glad to try the patches when they land :)
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[11:09:42] <Holger> FWIW I'm happy to give anyone my patches who builds ejabberd from source and is interested in testing.
[11:11:02] <Holger> (For those who don't build from source it'd be too much hassle as you need new dependencies, i.e. you'd have to replace quite a few .beam files.)
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[11:11:35] <Holger> The code is basically done, just needs some minor clean-up + unit tests.  So yes it'll go into the next release.
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[11:26:26] <rom1dep> Holger: I do build from source, if you have a git ref to pass over, I'll check it out :)
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[11:35:37] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: +1
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[11:49:20] <Holger> rom1dep, Licaon_Kter: `git pull https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd xep-0215`
[11:49:38] <Holger> The `deps` will have to be re-built.
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[11:49:46] <rom1dep> Holger: Danke sehr
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[11:50:35] <Holger> ejabberd must be built with `./configure --enable-stun`, an `ejabberd_stun` listener must be added, plus `mod_stun_disco: {}`.
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[11:57:15] <Holger> rom1dep, Licaon_Kter: https://messaging.one/ejabberd.html#lbCG
[11:57:37] <Holger> But it should work just fine without setting any option.
[11:58:06] <Licaon_Kter> Oh, pretty
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[12:12:42] <Licaon_Kter> Holger, so I need to add the same content from liste: in disco/services? OH ffs
[12:13:03] <Licaon_Kter> Holger, so I need to add the same content from `listen:` in disco/`services:`? Oh ffs
[12:13:23] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, no!
[12:13:47] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, as I said it should work just fine without setting any option.
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[12:14:22] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, the `services` option is for specifying servers running on other ejabberd nodes (or external TURN servers).
[12:14:40] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, or if you don't want all local listeners to be offered.
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[12:17:07] <Licaon_Kter> oh, so all the `turnS` and `stunS` stuff will magically apply to the `listen: ... tls: true` ones?
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[12:17:57] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, hehe no actually I decided to _not_ auto-publish listeners with `tls: true`.
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[12:18:21] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, first of all admins should consciously set a hostname that matches their certificate for those.
[12:18:44] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, second we're still having trouble getting libwebrtc to talk TLS with TURN.
[12:18:57] <Licaon_Kter> and another question, for plain `mod_stun`, docs say "tls: true|false: If enabled, certfile option must be set" so I need to define another certfile besides my current one? or I can point to the current one? IF I can point...should I open a bug with "use global certfile here too" ?
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[12:19:09] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, but the rest of the magic should work (udp/tcp and so on).
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[12:19:30] <Licaon_Kter> > first of all admins should consciously set a hostname that matches their certificate for those.
domain.tld...for everything...is wrong?
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[12:19:50] <Licaon_Kter> _(separation by ports, SRVs for everything lol)_
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[12:20:13] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, you can point to the existing one.  I wasn't aware the docs say that.  But they're right πŸ™‚  As I recently found out the hard way.
[12:21:10] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, global certfile only works until you renew it.
[12:21:57] <Holger> Gotta fix that one day but that's not trivial.
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[12:22:12] <Holger> > domain.tld...for everything...is wrong?
No.
[12:22:48] <Holger> I just can't auto-detect the desired host name by looking at the listener configuration from within `mod_stun_disco`.
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[12:23:28] <Holger> All I have is an IP address (and even for that it's not totally trivial to pick the right one).
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[12:23:57] <Holger> Some admins might add that IP address to the certificate, but most won't.
[12:25:52] <Licaon_Kter> > I just can't auto-detect
since I have a host in ejabberd and `listen:` for stun/turn...you can't use that? strange
[12:26:10] <Licaon_Kter> > I just can't auto-detect
since I have a `host:` in ejabberd and `listen:` for stun/turn...you can't use that? strange
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[12:27:12] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, you mean "if there's only a single `host` guess that this is the right one"?
[12:27:51] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, I could do that but that's too much of fragile-works-sometimes magic for my taste.
[12:28:13] <Licaon_Kter> No, but I now see the problem, since I host more than one...
[12:28:16] <Holger> "Dear admin you need to configure TLS services explicitly as soon as you have multiple domains."
[12:28:48] <Licaon_Kter> _(secondary is for JitsiMeet and was for SIP, so once Conversations A/V drops I might nuke it)_
[12:28:57] <Holger> Esp. as I would then also offer this host name as the TURN host name to clients, rather than offering the IP address.
[12:29:01] <Holger> Which may well be wrong.
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[12:29:12] <Holger> The `host:` conversations.im doesn't point to our TURN server.
[12:29:22] <Holger> So this is really stuff admins must configure manually.
[12:29:58] <Licaon_Kter> Great
[12:30:00] <Holger> Those who care will cope.  For normal people everything will work out of the box; just without TLS.  TLS only really helps if you manage to run TURN on 443 anyway.
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[12:30:15] <Holger> (... to cope with restrictive firewalls.)
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[12:33:05] <ij> is it mandatory to use ejabberds own turn server or can a 3rd party turn server be used as well and configured in ejabberd?
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[12:34:10] <Holger> ij, a 3rd party TURN server can be used as long as it supports this draft regarding the temporary credentials: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-uberti-behave-turn-rest-00
[12:34:17] <Holger> ij, coturn supports it.
[12:34:28] <Licaon_Kter> ij, read https://messaging.one/ejabberd.html#lbCG too... `services:`
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[12:35:35] <ij> that’s good… coturn is already running on that host… well, at least I installed it and tested it once with Matrix, I think…
[12:36:19] <Holger> ij: https://github.com/coturn/coturn/wiki/turnserver#webrtc-usage
[12:36:32] <Holger> … explains the coturn side of the setup.
[12:37:08] <ij> lots to read… thx :)
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[12:50:24] <ChaosKid42> Holger: I tried to compile your branch using docker-ejabberd. Gives the following errors:
> src/mod_stun_disco.erl:422: undefined macro 'NS_EXTDISCO_2'
> src/mod_stun_disco.erl:426: undefined macro 'NS_EXTDISCO_2'
> src/mod_stun_disco.erl:496: undefined macro 'NS_EXTDISCO_2'
Any ideas?
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[13:00:53] <Holger> ChaosKid42: The deps weren't rebuilt.
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[13:01:41] <Holger> ChaosKid42: `make update` or simply `rm -rf deps` before rebuilding.
[13:02:31] <Holger> ChaosKid42: Or this is Docker foo which I don't understand πŸ™‚
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[13:10:20] <ChaosKid42> Holger: I probably need to update mix.lock in some magic way...
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[13:10:40] <Holger> Ahh mix yes, I keep forgetting about that.
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[13:11:22] <ChaosKid42> Unfortunately I have no clue how that works πŸ™
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[13:14:20] <Holger> I'm on my phone but can probably do that later today.
[13:14:49] <ChaosKid42> Great. I'll fiddle with it myself until then...
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[13:17:16] <Licaon_Kter> Builds fine here, bare ~metal~ RPi3+
[13:18:33] <Licaon_Kter> ...will test CaaS output later
[13:18:34] <Holger> Things probably break if you compile with Elixir support.
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[13:40:09] <ChaosKid42> Holger: This seems to do the trick: https://github.com/area-42/ejabberd/commit/2360e5270c4a79c077f22fde8e35d359d777bf27
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[13:41:13] <Holger> ChaosKid42, looks good (why is `override: true` needed for STUN?) ...
[13:42:12] <Holger> ChaosKid42, and then there's the other mix.whatever file (used for reproducible builds or something) right?  I keep forgetting when/why exactly it's neccessary to update that.
[13:43:09] <ChaosKid42> mix.lock is the other file. Seems like his pulls everything from hex.pm. But dunno.
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[13:44:02] <Holger> Ah, ok.  Whatever.
[13:44:28] <ChaosKid42> override:true is necessary because of that:
>Dependencies have diverged:
>* stun (https://github.com/processone/stun)
>  the dependency stun in mix.exs is overriding a child dependency:
>
>  > In mix.exs:
>    {:stun, [env: :prod, git: "https://github.com/processone/stun", ref: "06ac2d3a"]}
>
>  > In deps/esip/rebar.config:
>    {:stun, "1.0.31", [env: :prod, hex: "stun", repo: "hexpm", optional: false]}
>
>  Ensure they match or specify one of the above in your deps and set "override: true"
>** (Mix) Can't continue due to errors on dependencies
[13:44:53] <Holger> Ah!
[13:44:55] <Holger> Thanks.
[13:45:18] <ChaosKid42> At least it compiles now. Let's see if it's even working πŸ™‚
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[15:24:29] <ChaosKid42> Holger: Basically seems to work for me. However, TURN doesn't work:
[15:24:31] <ChaosKid42> >  unable to allocate relay port for 1587223254:0ea2acf0571010e8@scholzbande.de: can't assign requested address
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[15:26:12] <ChaosKid42> I guess this commit of yours is the cause: https://github.com/processone/stun/commit/06ac2d3a29c4a7e969e27dfa89341c73a6a5f772
In my situation the relay source address (announced for TURN) isn't the address of the local interface. Due to docker, I'm behind a NAT so to say.
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[15:29:21] <Holger> ChaosKid42: Ah. Hmm.
[15:29:44] <Holger> Not sure how to solve that without adding another option which seems horrible.
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[15:33:02] <Holger> Or trial an error, catch your case and then try without specifying the source address. Horrible as well but at least the horror isn't exposed to the admin.
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[15:34:39] <Holger> I wonder how other TURN servers do this …
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[15:39:47] <ChaosKid42> coturn seems to have another option for that:
https://github.com/coturn/coturn/blob/master/examples/etc/turnserver.conf
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[15:40:43] <ChaosKid42> It's called "external_ip"
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[15:44:51] <ChaosKid42> Why don't you use the listener's IP for that?
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[16:00:40] <Holger> I was thinking about that but I guess there might also be setups where you want the STUN server to listen on a different address than the TURN relay.
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[16:01:42] <Holger> Which is currently possible by specifying a different `turn_ip`.
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[16:02:12] <Holger> I guess I should add yet another option.
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[16:44:15] <Holger> I guess binding the UDP socket to an address only if a new `turn_source_ip` option is specified would be the safest solution as it won't break existing setups.
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[16:45:31] <Holger> Then again some `external/internal_turn_ip` options seem more intuitive to me.
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[17:57:10] <ChaosKid42> > I guess binding the UDP socket to an address only if a new `turn_source_ip` option is specified would be the safest solution as it won't break existing setups.
That would be the best option from my point of view.
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[17:57:44] <raver> Hi, l have trouble with stun too...
How can l make https://compliance.conversations.im/server/rimkus.it/ happy?
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[17:59:01] <raver> I have added the required srv and naptr records...
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[18:00:16] <ChaosKid42> Your server needs to announce stun an turn service via xep-0215.
[18:00:31] <raver> Yep
[18:00:42] <ChaosKid42> I basically compiled Holger's ejabberd from here:
https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd/commits/xep-0215
[18:00:45] <raver> And it's only available in business edition sigh...
[18:00:53] <raver> Time to move to prosody?
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[18:00:57] <ChaosKid42> No. It's not (see above).
[18:01:24] <raver> Yea
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[18:02:16] <raver> Just saw http://process-one.net/en/ejabberd/protocols
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[18:02:36] <raver> So will it be in the next version? Or do l have to compile by my own
[18:03:05] <ChaosKid42> I'm quite sure Holger's patches will make it to the next version.
[18:03:20] <raver> Hooray thanks Holger
[18:03:28] <raver> 😁✌️
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[18:48:32] <Blue> Hello eveyone! Can I ask for help here about setting up stun/turn with ejabberd?
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[19:00:34] <Licaon_Kter> Blue: compile this, I basically compiled Holger's ejabberd from here:
https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd/commits/xep-0215
Read this ij, read https://messaging.one/ejabberd.html#lbCG too...
[19:00:51] <Licaon_Kter> Blue: compile this
https://github.com/weiss/ejabberd/commits/xep-0215
Read this, read https://messaging.one/ejabberd.html#lbCG too...
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[19:02:47] <Blue> Thank you! I didn't know about this step, but, i guess I have a problem somwhere before that, not sure if I'm doing everything right
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[19:03:46] <Blue> there is a test (https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/peerconnection/trickle-ice/) to check the support of stun/turn servers, and when I check it with it I get a bunch of error messages in log
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[19:04:14] <Licaon_Kter> Blue: test stun or turn or stunS or turnS?
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[19:05:14] <Holger> Blue: "bunch of errors".
[19:05:25] <Blue> like this here
[19:05:26] <Blue> https://cloud.macaw.me/index.php/s/MnFHSNRsN7sdgPq
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[19:06:41] <Blue> Well, I'm trying to set up both...
[19:06:47] <ij> Hmmm, since 20:48 I get notifications from ejabberd@conference hat it is not allowed to send private messages of type groupchat… although I do not send anything since then in here
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[19:09:12] <Holger> Blue: As stated in the docs, scram-hashed passwords can't be used for STUN/TURN authentication. (But this reminds me I wanted to generate a proper error message in that case.)
[19:10:59] <Blue> oh... It means - either I keep passwords in plain or have video/voice calls over new conversations?
[19:11:17] <daniel> or wait for the next release
[19:12:11] <Blue> Absolutely fine for me, but releaso of what? Of conversations or ejabberd?
[19:12:21] <daniel> ejabberd
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[19:14:16] <Blue> okay, thanks a lot!
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