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[07:17:32] <Holger> ChaosKid42: I'm fine now, thanks.
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[07:21:18] <Holger> I'm hunting down the next question though. If anyone with a current Conversations Beta is bored enough to get a messaging.one account and call me from within a mobile network that might help. (I don't have a second SIM card and am not sure how else to easily set things up in a way that both sides would need TURN.)
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[07:26:15] <4223> Holger: Geht die Beta parrallel zum Original?
[07:26:18] <Holger> Not important though, everything seems to work fine. I'm just trying to understand some details.
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[09:01:49] <Martin Kollaard> is it possible for ejabberd to keep me in group chats when my client disconnects, or is that not a port of mod_offline ? :P
[09:02:20] <marc> Martin Kollaard: no
[09:02:36] <Martin Kollaard> ok :P
[09:02:45] <marc> That's how MUC on XMPP works
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[09:03:01] <marc> MIX will sometimes maybe solve this
[09:03:04] <Martin Kollaard> missing feature :P
[09:04:02] <marc> Dunno, not so important for me atm
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[09:10:38] <marek> > 4223, Licaon_Kter hat eine APK mit einem anderen App-Namen zum Testen, damit würde es gehen.
> Kann gleich mal den Link suchen.
I could help out. I think I have an account, but you would have to reset my password.
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[09:11:50] <marek> > 4223, Licaon_Kter hat eine APK mit einem anderen App-Namen zum Testen, damit würde es gehen.
> Kann gleich mal den Link suchen.
Holger, I could help out. I think I have an account at your server, but you would have to reset my password.
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[09:28:40] <Martin Kollaard> marc: I'm always wondering if someone said something intresting when I left and come back the day after :P
[09:28:49] <Steven Roose> Martin Kollaard, if it's a private group chat, you will stay as a "member" so if encryption is used all messages will be encrypted to you even if you're offline
[09:29:00] <Steven Roose> Only in public chats, you can't stay while you're offline.
[09:29:13] <Holger> marek: Thanks a lot, I might come back to that later.
[09:29:23] <Steven Roose> But you can catchup when you come online using MAM or "last messages updates", so it's not like it's IRC-level annoying
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[09:30:15] <Martin Kollaard> ok :)
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[09:30:25] <Holger> Right, what Steven Roose says.  If your client supports MAM you shouldn't miss history.  And `mod_push_keepalive` tries to make sure you will also receive notifications.
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[09:30:49] <Holger> ... on disconnected mobile clients that have push notification support.
[09:30:55] <Martin Kollaard> Yes I see some messages, but they are not all the messages
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[09:31:03] <Holger> What client?
[09:31:08] <Licaon_Kter> Martin Kollaard: scroll up?
[09:31:10] <Martin Kollaard> oh that is nice :)
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[09:31:50] <Martin Kollaard> yes but guess that are not all messages, Holger repeated some messages for me yesterday but I did not see that in history
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[09:32:05] <Licaon_Kter> > What client?
[09:32:22] <Martin Kollaard> Yes I still need to look for better client, still using adium :P
[09:32:38] <Martin Kollaard> it was so good client back then :(
[09:32:40] <Holger> Right, Adium doesn't support that.  I see everything in e.g. Conversations and Gajim.
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[09:33:17] <Holger> You might want to try Converse.js if you can tolerate a web client.  I *think* it should work with that one, too.
[09:33:25] <Licaon_Kter> Martin Kollaard: try Beagle from your store or Dino from homebrew
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[09:33:38] <Holger> Or those, right.
[09:33:40] <Licaon_Kter> Martin Kollaard: try Beagle from your store (or homebrew) or Dino from homebrew
[09:33:47] <Steven Roose> DINO FROM HOMEBREW???
[09:33:51] <Steven Roose> Is that new??
[09:34:01] <Steven Roose> I was asking for that a while back
[09:34:04] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/YP8Q5wJwRDvLG2xUaqwk3m95Y1ImneSrpG1MA2KT/OjhTXzmwQ_uVCqwnWmLobQ.jpg
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[09:34:36] <Licaon_Kter> Steven Roose: https://github.com/dino/dino/wiki/macOS
[09:34:39] <Martin Kollaard> oh beagle looks nice
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[09:35:05] <Licaon_Kter> Martin Kollaard: in the picture there's from left Monal, Beagle and Dino
[09:35:14] <Martin Kollaard> I also need to set up a private xmpp server i think, I use now hosted.im but they are shutting down
[09:35:18] <Licaon_Kter> Monal has issues as you can see....
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[09:36:21] <Steven Roose> Licaon_Kter, that's more like "compile dino with some help of homebrew" isn't it?
[09:36:31] <Licaon_Kter> Steven Roose: yes...but it's easy...
[09:37:41] <Licaon_Kter> Steven Roose: oh, I understand now what you've said...true...nuance....if you have homebrew already you're 90% there :))
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[09:38:19] <Martin> Ok online in Beagle now :)
[09:38:23] <Martin> test
[09:38:42] <Martin Kollaard> online in beagle now, I can't chat :/
[09:38:46] <Steven Roose> "brew install dino" is what I want!
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[09:38:58] <Martin> test
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[09:39:52] <Martin> Ow there are my messages
[09:39:57] <Martin> Why so slow
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[09:40:16] <Licaon_Kter> Martin: how so?
[09:41:07] <Martin> It takes about a minute before my messages appear
[09:41:12] <Martin> Now it looks faster
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[09:42:45] <Martin> This client looks a lot more future proof than adium :P
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[09:42:58] <Licaon_Kter> Martin: maybe it was syncing history  first
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[09:43:06] <Licaon_Kter> Can you scroll up now to yesterday?
[09:43:33] <Martin> No only 11:32 when you asked “what client?”
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[09:46:09] <ij> @Martin slow messages is nothing specific to Beagle… had that today on dino as well… however, the devs from Tigase are really helpful with issues and solve things quite fast (if possible), so it’s worth to report any bug or problem you encounter
[09:46:51] <Martin> But I also had slow messages on adium at that time when I started beagle
[09:48:05] <Martin> But I guess should not be an issue to have multiple xmpp clients running on same account
[09:48:20] <Martin> Maybe something wrong at server :P
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[09:54:24] <ij> multiple clients on same account is working… otherwise you won’t be able to join MUCs with same nick in the same MUC because nick is already taken
[09:55:21] <ij> …which is a little bit of an issue when you have like 8 accounts and 10 different clients on 4 different computers/smartphones
[09:56:34] <ij> only real issue with Beagle/Siskin is that MUC bookmarking is not really working, I think because Tigase is using a different method.
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[10:03:10] <Martin> ah
[10:04:35] <Martin> When I set up a ejabberd, is there a way to migrate my contactlist from hosted.im to my own server?
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[10:08:32] <genofire> !version blabber.im
[10:08:34] <Servant> genofire: blabber.im is running ejabberd version 19.05.
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[10:30:26] <Martin> !version hosted.im
[10:30:28] <Servant> Martin: hosted.im is running ejabberd version 2.1.x-mh on unix/linux 3.14.19
[10:30:43] <Martin> That is old
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[10:35:16] <Martin> 2011?
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[10:38:57] <newbie> !version geekyboo.net
[10:39:01] <Servant> newbie: geekyboo.net is running ejabberd version 20.03.
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[10:40:43] <ij> @Martin linux kernel 3.14.19 looks a) really outdated and b) like a pi number by intention
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[10:45:54] <Holger> The hosted.im service is EOL'd as far as I know.
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[10:46:25] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, Martin: Now that we recommended Dino I remember they don't support MUC MAM actually ;-)  (Just 1:1 MAM.)
[10:46:36] <Holger> Last time I checked, at least.
[10:47:20] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: yes...
[10:47:41] <Licaon_Kter> Makes requests only so you'd get like 50 last messages
[10:47:46] <Martin> Yes hosted.im is shutting down in sept, so I need to move asap :P
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[10:47:57] <newbie> > I'm hunting down the next question though. If anyone with a current Conversations Beta is bored enough to get a messaging.one account and call me from within a mobile network that might help. (I don't have a second SIM card and am not sure how else to easily set things up in a way that both sides would need TURN.)
Holger: Do u still want someone to test this with you?
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[10:48:23] <Licaon_Kter> https://github.com/dino/dino/issues/657
[10:50:30] <Licaon_Kter> No IBR on that server? Holger
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[10:51:09] <Holger> newbie, I did some tests with 4223.  Might be interested in further tests later.  Thanks!
[10:51:25] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Ah had that disabled temporarily because spammers.  Re-enabled now.
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[10:52:20] <newbie> Holger: let me know when and I'll be more than happy to test this with you.
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[12:00:20] <Martin> Looks like my module works as I want it :D
[12:02:11] <Holger> Cool!
[12:02:19] <Holger> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/3235
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[12:21:16] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: why not use full hashes instead of short ones?
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[12:21:44] <Holger> Just cosmetics.  Full is so long 🙂
[12:22:09] <Holger> 32 bit should be more than enough for everyone[tm].
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[12:23:52] <Holger> It's actually two hashes concatenated: The hash of the full JID and the hash of the virtual domain.  I only really need the latter; the former is just so you can grep for it in the logs to match the 0215 request with a TURN login.
[12:24:38] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: my bad, I meant the repo hashes for the deps in the PR
[12:24:44] <Holger> Oh oh.
[12:25:31] <Licaon_Kter> Iirc, someone from P1 asked once for them in some PR
[12:25:55] <Holger> No reason fo that, just copy-pasted them that way, it doesn't matter because they're replaced with tags while preparing the release anyway.
[12:26:11] <Licaon_Kter> Oh, right
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[13:52:28] <Martin> Funny, you can start ejabberd without modules
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[13:53:57] <Holger> Sure!
[13:54:18] <Holger> You should get a pure RFC 6120 server then.
[13:54:33] <Holger> Hopefully.
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[13:54:50] <Martin> I don’t know, I removed all the listeners from the configfile too
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[13:55:39] <Holger> Then you'll get a pure RFC 6120 server that won't ever see a request 😉
[13:56:15] <Martin> enou
[13:56:28] <Martin> Enough to install a module
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[13:57:01] <Holger> Right.
[13:57:30] <Martin> The only thing that the configfile needs is 1 host
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[14:07:59] <marc> Holger: is ot necessary to set the turn IP?
[14:08:21] <marc> turn_ip setting
[14:08:59] <Holger> marc, if you don't, current `master` will fall back to looking up your local host name.
[14:09:52] <Holger> marc, if that fails, `turn_ip` will be set to 127.0.0.1, which means TURN won't work (or actually they still will if both sides are on the same server).
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[14:10:15] <Holger> marc, so yes I'd just specify your external v4 address as the `turn_ip`.
[14:10:22] <marc> Yeah, makes sense why it didn't work without :)
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[14:15:49] <marc> Holger, turn_max_allocations = max number of concurrent connections, right?
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[14:18:21] <Holger> marc: Per client (per TURN username).
[14:18:48] <marc> Oh
[14:18:53] <marc> Good to know!
[14:19:09] <Holger> marc: The global number of max concurrent connections is limited by setting turn_min_port/max_port.
[14:19:34] <Holger> (Each TURN allocation needs a dedicated port.)
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[14:19:50] <marc> Yep, makes sense
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