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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Friday, May 1, 2020< ^ >
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[08:16:47] <nik> debalance, any progress on the packaging of 20.04 :)?
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[08:18:36] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, ChaosKid42, rom1dep: Do any of you have IPv6 on your TURN server?
[08:18:56] <Licaon_Kter> Nope
[08:19:37] <ChaosKid42> No. Not yet.
[08:20:07] <ChaosKid42> Holger: Is it true that today's your birthday?
[08:20:49] <Holger> No but I can handle presents any day.
[08:21:16] <Holger> Who says it's today? 🙂
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[08:22:12] <ChaosKid42> Thought I read something like that on the converse channel.
[08:22:36] <nik> Maybe someone who has his office phone contact stored as "Holger (Arbeit)" (sorry to all non-German-speaking ;))
[08:23:20] <ChaosKid42> I'll try to add IPv6 to my turn server this afternoon. I'll need an external one right?
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[08:44:30] <perflyst> just updated to 20.04 and i configured a hostname instead of an ip address in the mod_stun_disco module
conversations logs (next to correct stun:<ip> the following:
discovered ICE Server: [turn:xmpp.@HOST@:3478?transport=tcp]
discovered ICE Server: [stun:xmpp.@HOST@:3478?transport=tcp]
```
host: "xmpp.@HOST@"
port: 3478
type: stun
```
[08:45:53] <Licaon_Kter> FYI i have it like this, maybe overkill
https://gist.github.com/a81d6ba1041ae15fbecc1209a1e22702
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[08:47:03] <perflyst> this would lead me to my next question, coturn can listen on ipv6 addresses and as far as i got it, in some weird ISP setups ipv6 stun / turn is needed
can turn_ip be configured for both v4 and v6?
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[08:49:41] <rom1dep> Holger: haven't cared about ipv6 in a while but I could get the bandwidth today to set things up, I'll probably need some help
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[09:02:22] <Holger> ChaosKid42:
> I'll try to add IPv6 to my turn server this afternoon. I'll need an external one right?
I probably won't have time to implement v6 today so no hurry at all!
[09:02:45] <genofire> thank you for discusse no ipv6 support as problem ;)
[09:02:50] <Holger> perflyst: No ejabberd_stun doesn't support v6 yet.
[09:02:57] <perflyst> ok!
[09:03:23] <perflyst> do you know when exactly ipv6 turn/stun would be needed? it is hard to find infos about that online
[09:03:27] <Holger> genofire: Yes you were right, it obviously is a problem in practice. Though I still don't quite understand why.
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[09:05:11] <debalance> nik, I thought you wanted to look into erlang-p1-tls? That's currently blocking process on ejabberd 20.04.
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[09:05:41] <Holger> genofire: I mean I understand there's corner cases where you really need it, such as one side being v4-only and the other v6-only. What I don't understand is why we also run into problems with dual-stack clients.
[09:06:25] <debalance> nik, in case you're not aware: all these packages make up ejabberd in Debian: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=ejabberd@packages.debian.org
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[09:07:17] <rom1dep> pretty like debian
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[09:08:46] <rom1dep> debalance: any idea when 20.04 could reach testing? :)
[09:09:08] <debalance> rom1dep: best case scenario - 5 days after it has been uploaded
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[09:09:44] <debalance> but ejabberd 20.03 has been stuck in unstable for a while already due to no fault of its own (new Erlang was blocked), so right now there's little reason to rush things
[09:11:42] <rom1dep> debalance: ok :) I'd really like to roll it out while sticking to the official deb
[09:12:27] <rom1dep> what's blocking new erlang?
[09:12:28] <debalance> rom1dep: I'm happy to hear :) I'm running the official Debian packages too on several servers.
[09:12:37] <genofire> Holger, has turn dualstack support ?
[09:12:42] <rom1dep> yeah, and I appreciate your work :)
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[09:12:56] <debalance> thx!
[09:13:04] <Holger> genofire: Yes, but I'm not quite sure libwebrtc fully supports it under all circumstances.
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[09:13:23] <debalance> https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=erlang
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[09:14:11] <Holger> genofire: From what we've seen now it does look like it works though. While it seems it has problems falling back to v4 on dual-stack.
[09:14:47] <Holger> Which I would _guess_ is just libwebrtc being buggy. Like it fails doing TLS which also looks like libwebrtc foo to me.
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[09:17:47] <genofire> hmm, how get i the turn listen on ipv6?
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[09:18:22] <Holger> genofire: coturn?
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[09:19:22] <Holger> genofire: As I told you in the ticket this isn't supported by ejabberd yet. If your question above was about ejabberd and not about the TURN spec then no, it has no dual-stack support. As I said I'm probably going to add that.
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[09:19:46] <genofire> oh sorry
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[09:19:58] <genofire> keep working on it ;)
[09:20:41] <perflyst> Holger, is `discovered ICE Server: [turn:xmpp.@HOST@:3478?transport=tcp]` with `host: "xmpp.@HOST@"` a bug or expected behaviour?
[09:21:36] <perflyst> because of that conversations crashed and calls did not work
[09:22:39] <Holger> perflyst: "Oh". That looks like a bug. I wonder how you ran into that.
[09:23:06] <Holger> perflyst: I guess you didn't specify a 'turn_ip'?
[09:23:40] <perflyst> i did
[09:24:22] <perflyst> i also got the correct ones before `discovered ICE Server: [stun:95.216.229.149:3478?transport=udp]`
[09:24:59] <Holger> Could you show your full `mod_stun_disco` and `ejabberd_stun` listener config?
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[09:27:18] <perflyst> sure, that is what i had configured
```
listen:
...
  -
    port: 3478
    transport: udp
    use_turn: true
    turn_min_port: 60000
    turn_max_port: 65000
    turn_ip: 95.216.229.149
    auth_realm: domain
    module: ejabberd_stun
  -
    port: 3478
    use_turn: true
    turn_min_port: 60000
    turn_max_port: 65000
    turn_ip: 95.216.229.149
    auth_realm: domain
    module: ejabberd_stun
....
  mod_stun_disco:
    services:
      -
        host: "xmpp.@HOST@"
        port: 3478
        type: stun
      -
        host: "xmpp.@HOST@"
        port: 3478
        type: turn
      -
        host: "xmpp.@HOST@"
        port: 3478
        type: stun
        transport: tcp
      -
        host: "xmpp.@HOST@"
        port: 3478
        type: turn
        transport: tcp
```
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[09:28:45] <perflyst> ```
discovered ICE Server: [stun:95.216.229.149:3478?transport=udp]
discovered ICE Server: [turn:95.216.229.149:3478?transport=udp]
discovered ICE Server: [stun:95.216.229.149:3478?transport=tcp]
discovered ICE Server: [turn:95.216.229.149:3478?transport=tcp]
discovered ICE Server: [stun:xmpp.@HOST@:3478?transport=udp]
discovered ICE Server: [turn:xmpp.@HOST@:3478?transport=udp]
discovered ICE Server: [stun:xmpp.@HOST@:3478?transport=tcp]
discovered ICE Server: [turn:xmpp.@HOST@:3478?transport=tcp]
```
and that is what conversations logged
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[09:31:28] <perflyst> it is more or less the same what Licaon_Kter has except i used xmpp.@HOST@ which did not expand
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[09:31:44] <Holger> > host: "xmpp.@HOST@"
Yes expansion is not supported here.
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[09:34:12] <Holger> I could add support for that. But you could just hard-code your main host, I mean it's not like it's visible to end users.
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[09:35:27] <Holger> perflyst: If you need (well, want) it for some reason, could you post an issue on GitHub?
[09:35:36] <perflyst> it is only 1 host, but i used xmpp.@HOST@ everywhere else so i wanted to use it there too
[09:35:42] <perflyst> i will open an issue, sure
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[09:36:59] <Holger> It's not supported everywhere but only where it makes sense. But yes I thought about letting the config parsing (rather than individual modules) expand that myself.
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[09:37:23] <Holger> Kept forgetting to ask zinid for an opinion …
[09:37:35] <perflyst> :/
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[09:38:51] <Holger> Then again I have modules that expand other keywords which the config parsing couldn't do anyway …
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[09:40:43] <Holger> perflyst: Do those xmpp.@HOST@ names also resolve to IPv6 addresses?
[09:41:21] <perflyst> yes
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[09:41:29] <perflyst> that is why i asked the second question about turn_ip
[09:41:36] <Holger> Then you don't want this config anyway.
[09:41:54] <Holger> As long as ejabberd_stun doesn't support v6.
[09:41:56] <perflyst> yet
[09:42:02] <Holger> Right.
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[09:42:41] <Holger> Once it does I would usually still stick to IP addresses, but it should at least work then.
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[09:59:50] <nuron> > host: Host The host name or IPv4 address the STUN/TURN service is listening on. For non-TLS services, it’s recommended to specify an IPv4 address (to avoid additional DNS lookup latency on the client side). For TLS services, the host name (or possible IPv4 address) should match the certificate. Specifying the host option is mandatory.
Is it also possible to specify an IPv6 or both?
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[10:08:43] <Holger> Ok we should not have releases this without v6 support I guess 🙂
[10:08:52] <Holger> nuron, the backlog is full of it 🙂
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[10:08:59] <nuron> Well...
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[10:09:24] <Holger> nuron, oh or are you using an external server?
[10:09:40] <Holger> nuron, v6 should work there, gotta fix those docs you're right.
[10:09:45] <nuron> I could. I have coturn on a different host running
[10:10:55] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: or add a note with "ipv4 only for now"
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[10:11:25] <nuron> +1
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[10:22:04] <debalance> for some strange reason, building p1-tls fails on one system of mine, but not on another, even though the pbuilder chroot is rsync'ed
[10:22:13] <Holger> No you actually can set it up with v6 support when using coturn. I'll fix the docs cited by nuron.
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[10:22:32] <Holger> debalance: Is it `make test` that fails?
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[10:23:06] <Holger> The SUSE maintainer said it looked like a race but then lost his build logs before I saw them.
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[10:23:48] <debalance> Holger: sort of, it's "rebar eunit"
[10:24:13] <Holger> Yeah same thing.
[10:24:17] <Holger> Do you have build logs?
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[10:26:32] <debalance> Holger: http://paste.debian.net/1144120/
[10:28:24] <nik> debalance: oh oops. Sorry. I forgot everything about yesterday due to only getting 2 hours of sleep the night before that :D
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[10:30:24] <Holger> debalance, ok thanks.  It would be very nice if you could throw that into https://github.com/processone/fast_tls/issues/new ...
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[10:30:59] <debalance> Holger, even though it only happens on 1 out of 2 systems?
[10:31:45] <Holger> Yes, I would guess it's the same thing the SUSE guy has seen, and he may be right that it's a race.
[10:31:51] <Holger> I have no time to look today.
[10:32:13] <Holger> (I think he saw it succeed and fail on a single build system.)
[10:32:54] <debalance> alright, will do!
[10:33:12] <Holger> Thanks a lot.
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[10:36:59] <debalance> https://github.com/processone/fast_tls/issues/46
[10:37:38] <debalance> nik: you're off the hook then, I can continue preparing ejabberd 20.04 since p1-tls is building on at least one of my systems
[10:37:45] <nuron> Will it work to just install the deb package from ejabberd.im above the packega from the Debian backports?
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[10:40:04] <perflyst> nuron, the ejabberd deb package from the website installs everything in /opt
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[10:40:53] <nuron> perflyst: and this is good or bad?
[10:41:26] <Steven Roose> in the mod_stun_disco config, can the "host" be the hostname (like I saw someone post above)? Or should it be the IP address?
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[10:41:47] <perflyst> "bad" because the debian repo deb installs system wide so /sbin /etc /var/lib
[10:42:12] <debalance> nuron: the package structure is very different, you'll end up with 2 versions of all the p1 modules, because in Debian they're shipped in separate packages. If you want to switch, you'll have to remove ejabberd and all erlang-p1-* packages.
[10:42:14] <nuron> Well... So I should not use this package?
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[10:43:06] <nuron> Mmm, I guess back ports is more comfortable for me.
But I would like to upgrade to 20.04
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[10:45:52] <Steven Roose> Does this make sense? I think it's taken from Holger's suggestion: https://gist.github.com/stevenroose/b75b40eefb37bc6f8219ad6022de9db5
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[10:46:38] <Steven Roose> Oh I read
> For non-TLS services, it’s recommended to specify an IPv4 address (to avoid additional DNS lookup latency on the client side). For TLS services, the host name (or possible IPv4 address) should match the certificate. Specifying the host option is mandatory.
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[10:47:47] <Steven Roose> How significant is the DNS lookup latency for UDP connections? I mean it's a bit annoying that the IP address is encoded in the config file.
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[10:55:11] <perflyst> Steven Roose, i have exactly the same configured as you and it is working fine
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[10:55:56] <Steven Roose> !version konuro.net
[10:55:56] <Servant> Steven Roose: konuro.net is running ejabberd version 20.4.0.
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[10:57:09] <Steven Roose> Ok so that's that 🙂 But suddenly the "ext disco" server info item in Conversations went from "unavailable" to no longer in the list..
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[10:57:54] <perflyst> according to https://compliance.conversations.im/server/konuro.net/ it works and the Trickle ICE also returns data to me, so should be fine
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[10:58:12] <Holger> Steven Roose, what's the reason for not just sticking to `mod_stun_disco: {}`?
[10:58:44] <Holger> Steven Roose, also I would not configure TLS at all right now, it doesn't work with Conversations/libwebrtc so far.
[10:59:13] <Steven Roose> Oh the default has sane values?
[10:59:53] <Steven Roose> I saw your config/suggestion floating around so I supposed that wsa a good way to start. But I also seem to have incorrectly assumed that v20.04 would already have mod_stun_disco. It doesn't, does it?
[11:00:06] <perflyst> it does
[11:00:07] <Holger> Steven Roose, either way I think I'll ditch that recommendation from the docs, I guess it's usually not significant.  My real thought was "omit the unnecessary DNS lookup, one step less that can fail".  But then again we stumbled over a corner-case yesterday where it helped.
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[11:00:48] <Steven Roose> Can I safely assume that once ejabberd releases 20.05, there will be a blog post or whatever with proper instructions?
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[11:01:06] <Steven Roose> perflyst, oh
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[11:01:14] <Holger> Steven Roose, generally the upstream sample config is a good way to start.  It should just work out of the box.  The one exception being that you might have to specify the `turn_ip` depending on your system setup.
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[11:01:25] <Steven Roose> Oh. I'm confused. Daniel's release notes say
> Ejabberd will probably gain support for XEP-0215 in the upcoming 20.05 release.
(just found that)
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[11:01:44] <Steven Roose> Oh lol refreshing that page changes the message :|
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[11:01:55] <Holger> Yes the release came a few days earlier than initially planned.
[11:01:56] <Holger> https://www.process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-20-04/
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[11:02:19] <Holger> No additional instructions, the idea was that it should work out of the box in most cases.
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[11:03:02] <perflyst> > type: stun | turn | stuns | turns The type of service. Must be stun or turn for non-TLS services, stuns or turns for TLS services. The default type is stun.
the default is no turn, and according to the conversations chat turn is needed if on mobile data
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[11:03:54] <Holger> Guys.
[11:04:00] <Holger> The default config has TURN.
[11:04:40] <Holger> Your quote described the possible values of an option that's not set by default.
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[11:04:56] <Steven Roose> Holger, the sample config Daniel refers to has only a single module_stun while your config had 3.
[11:05:08] <Holger> "My"
[11:05:09] <Holger> ?
[11:05:31] <Holger> This is the config I recommend: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/20.04/ejabberd.yml.example#L60-L66
[11:05:33] <Steven Roose> Well the one you posted on gist about a week ago IIRC with "here's what I have" next to it :p
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[11:05:46] <Steven Roose> I just kept it because I know you know what you're doing 🙂 🙂
[11:05:48] <perflyst> it is from Licaon_Kter ^
[11:06:00] <Steven Roose> oooh that's possible
[11:06:06] <Holger> `mod_stun_disco: {}` picks that up and will offer a STUN and a TURN service.
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[11:06:14] <Steven Roose> K might have gotten confused,sorry
[11:06:49] <Steven Roose> So you're saying nothing more is needed than the sample config? single port-3478 mod_stun with use_turn:true  and empty mod_stun_disco?
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[11:06:51] <Holger> Feel free to add a tcp fallback and change whatever you like.  But you sound like you must do things to make it work at all, and that's wrong.
[11:06:58] <Holger> Yes.
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[11:07:16] <Holger> Except maybe setting the `turn_ip`.
[11:07:18] <perflyst> ahh okay, i thought by default of mod_stun_disco only offers stun, sorry
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[11:07:34] <Steven Roose> Well, I'd like to add whatever makes the user experience better 🙂 But k thanks
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[11:07:42] <Holger> This is the only required thing, and it's only required if `hostname --fqdn` doesn't resolve to your external IP.
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[11:08:31] <Holger> Steven Roose, maybe a tcp listener on port 443 might help in some rare corner cases to circumvent restrictive firewalls that drop the UDP traffic on high ports.
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[11:08:53] <Holger> That's the only theoretical improvement over the default config.
[11:08:54] <Steven Roose> So Licaon_Kter's `port: 5349` extra service is not useful. I think he configured it to do turns and stuns. Not sure what's the benefit of that
[11:08:58] <Holger> The only one I see.
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[11:09:24] <Holger> Steven Roose, that might help even better with restrictive firewalls.  The only problem is that we learnt by now that it doesn't work at all.
[11:09:37] <raver> Hey, first thanks for update. Service discovery for stun works, but not for turn... What am l doing wrong?
[11:09:55] <raver> I set the config for stun as in the example config
[11:10:03] <Holger> raver, do you have a `turn_ip:` configured for your `ejabberd_stun` listener?
[11:10:18] <raver> Yea tried with and without...
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[11:10:52] <Holger> How do you notice TURN fails?
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[11:11:19] <raver> https://compliance.conversations.im/server/rimkus.it/
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[11:11:54] <raver> I must have control over used ports, as l cannot use random ports on this system
[11:12:15] <Holger> What are you doing to "control ports"?
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[11:12:37] <raver> I had turn_min_port set
[11:12:43] <raver> But it didn't seem to work
[11:13:03] <raver> Does there exist a max too?
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[11:14:00] <Holger> Yes see the options and defaults here: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/listen/#ejabberd-stun-1
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[11:16:23] <raver> turn_max_allocations
... If i can use only 3 ports, should i set it to 3 too?
[11:16:38] <raver> Thanks for help by the way 🙂✌️
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[11:23:54] <zuglufttier> Are there any database changes from 20.01 to 20.03?
[11:24:11] <zuglufttier> Or from that to 20.04? Because there's nothing in the docs.
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[11:25:40] <Holger> Only for MS-SQL.
[11:26:26] <raver> Hmm, even with min and max port range no success. I even can't see that the ports are used for turn in the startup log.
[11:26:51] <Holger> You won't.
[11:27:00] <zuglufttier> Holger, thanks! I left my server alone for a few months 😀 So little to do with the service...
[11:27:00] <raver> Ah ok
[11:27:01] <Holger> They are only used once a client requests a TURN allocation.
[11:27:10] <Holger> There's two steps to it.
[11:27:22] <Holger> First step is contacting `ip:` `port:`.
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[11:27:40] <raver> The turn ip port
[11:27:46] <raver> Or stun?
[11:27:49] <Holger> Second optional step is using a TURN relay which will be on `turn_ip:` and within the min/max turn port range.
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[11:28:14] <Holger> Actually even this isn't quite correct but sigh.
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[11:29:00] <raver> Ok, but the relay is built into ejabberd right?
[11:29:00] <Holger> One client talks to `ip:` `port:`, the contact's client talks to `turn_ip:` on a port within the min/max TURN port range.
[11:29:07] <Holger> If TURN is need for that call.
[11:29:34] <Holger> The relay is shipped with ejabberd_stun, yes.
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[11:30:26] <raver> The l don't know what I'm doing wrong, l set the turn ip to the external ipv4 of ejabberd...
[11:30:41] <raver> And min max port range is free for me
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[11:31:22] <Holger> You could enable debug output, restart the server, grep for `mod_stun_disco`, and show me the output.
[11:31:31] <Holger> And check the log for any `[warning]`s, first.
[11:31:40] <raver> Thanks give me 5 min
[11:32:14] <Holger> I might not have time to look immediately but will come back to that.
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[11:39:49] <Steven Roose> So I had one succesful call with my gf's Siskin on the same LAN. But can't seem to reach others on Conversations.
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[11:40:08] <raver> 7 min. Removing obsolete values 😁
[11:41:37] <Steven Roose> All same server. Holger mind if I try call you?
[11:41:48] <raver> 2020-05-01 13:38:57.544 [debug] <0.695.0>@ejabberd_hooks:safe_apply:231 Running hook disco_local_features: mod_stun_disco:disco_local_features/5
2020-05-01 13:38:57.544 [debug] <0.695.0>@mod_stun_disco:disco_local_features:405 Announcing feature to rimkus.it
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[11:42:59] <raver> https://termbin.com/2ou3 is my config
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[11:49:13] <Holger> raver: You want to allow more than 3 Ports.
[11:49:24] <raver> I can't
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[11:49:59] <perflyst> anonymous doesnt work with conversations i think
[11:50:00] <raver> I'm on a shared host where l can only reserve 20 exposed ports
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[11:50:07] <Holger> raver: Each relay needs a unique port and a single video call can need up to four relays.
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[11:50:19] <raver> 👀
[11:50:23] <Holger> Then I guess it might not make sense to host TURN there. M
[11:50:26] <Holger> Then I guess it might not make sense to host TURN there.
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[11:51:18] <raver> Ok, so l could host a turn server elsewhere, then l just have to add that public ip right instead of the ejabberd instance ip
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[11:52:16] <Holger> Yes you could.
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[11:53:20] <Holger> But you would ditch the `ejabberd_stun` listener and configure the external `services:` with mod_stun_disco.
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[12:02:06] <raver> Great thanks will try, 😁👍✌️
[12:02:07] <raver> Holger: do you know a simple one for Linux? 😁
[12:02:19] <Holger> coturn
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[12:12:39] <raver> Can it work with an ipv6 only turn server?
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[12:15:39] <raver> ... If the ejabberd server can reach both networks of cause
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[12:17:22] <Holger> The question is what can be reached by clients.
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[12:17:36] <Holger> ejabberd won't talk to the external server at all.
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[12:19:17] <raver> Ah Thx. Vodafone mobil had no ipv6 the last time l checken
[12:19:25] <raver> *checked
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[13:00:29] <Holger> I personally have no v6 either, neither via DSL nor mobile.
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[13:01:41] <raver> At home l have a ds lite tunnel
[13:01:56] <raver> So I'm forced to expose via v6 from home
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[13:33:46] <Licaon_Kter> > So Licaon_Kter's `port: 5349` extra service is not useful. I think he configured it to do turns and stuns. Not sure what's the benefit of that
Like I said, maybe overkill, I've yet to verify what needs to be removed as not working
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[13:36:40] <Holger> It can stay there, will just remain unused.
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[13:57:49] <nuron> > raver Wrote:
> Ah Thx. Vodafone mobil had no ipv6 the last time l checken
> *checked
When did you checked? I've ipv6 in Vodafone mobile network since January
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[14:10:44] <raver> Anyway turn_ip didn't like ipv6 addresses
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[14:17:44] <Holger> Right.
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[14:19:49] <reset> hello
[14:20:53] <reset> i had a server and a friend of mine still have one, running ejabberd, and we both noticed a trend of mass registering accounts without using them mostly
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[14:21:16] <reset> i wantes to ask if you are aware of any exploit spammers/idiots could use
[14:21:36] <reset> im trying to understand why is this happening now (the last 3-4 months)
[14:21:52] <reset> would appreciate any input ( :
[14:22:35] <reset> also its not like they do it to upload anything or sth :|
[14:23:36] <reset> has anyone had the same issue? like you had 1-20 users, and then you got a daily registration of random 200-500 users/accounts
[14:24:28] <daniel> Don't have open registration if you are running the server just for yourself and your friends
[14:26:03] <reset> yea daniel sure, but we want to keep it open for real people to use if they want to, all security measures taken ofcorse, im just trying to understand this wave/trend of spam-registering on xmpp servers
[14:26:32] <reset> dunno if others have the same issue, but we had the same issue on two diff servers :/
[14:27:31] <reset> my guess was if there was any type of bug/exploit in ejabberd they could use and thats whay this happens this last 3-4+ months
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[14:29:43] <reset> Holger? anyone? noone seen this on their servers?
[14:30:27] <daniel> Multiple people have seen this. Happens all the time. Turn of your registrations.
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[14:31:19] <reset> hmmm thanks daniel. hoped for a better solution though, so I could allow real ppl who want to use it
[14:31:27] <daniel> And/or deal with the consequences and monitor it closely
[14:31:37] <daniel> If you are looking for a new hobby
[14:31:46] <reset> or an explanation on why it happens, maybe they can use xmpp as a proxy or something? dunno what to think actually
[14:32:16] <daniel> Spammers looking for new opportunities to send spam?
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[14:33:08] <daniel> It's not about spamming your log file. It's about using your server to send spam messages to the rest of the network
[14:33:16] <ij> Not sure if it’s always for spamming, sometimes I have the impressions that it’s for controlling bots per XMPP
[14:33:41] <ij> but in the end it makes not that much of a difference
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[14:33:58] <daniel> That's why people running servers with open registration but not taking care of their server has dangerous consequences for the rest of the network
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[14:34:23] <reset> they dont though, they just making massive amount of accounts per day, dont upload anything, some of them stay online for a while, others login a second or a third time, but still cant understand the reason if they dont talk to anyone (bots obviously)
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[14:34:54] <daniel> It's a common tactic to register accounts and then sit on them for some time
[14:35:52] <reset> hmmm thanks again.. we prolly gonna close registrations till this wave/trend passes
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[14:36:56] <ij> I had lately some registrations for/from a russion botnet… can’t remember the details, though… but you could google for the accounts and find more details
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[14:37:54] <reset> we had china mostly
[14:38:05] <reset> and ovh.digitalocean ips
[14:38:27] <reset> still cant understand why would a spammer spam on xmpp, a market of 0.00001% of internet users
[14:38:50] <daniel> Target audience uses it
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[14:39:26] <reset> corect sure
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[14:51:59] <ChaosKid42> Holger: Now my server is set up for turn IPv6 (maybe, as I don't really know how to test).
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[15:36:47] <raver> ChaosKid42: how?
[15:37:21] <raver> ChaosKid42: turn_ip don't allow me to set an ipv6...
[15:37:42] <ChaosKid42> I use coturn for that.
[15:38:19] <raver> And coturn is running on ipv4?
[15:38:42] <raver> ... External ipv4 l mean
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[15:39:08] <Holger> ChaosKid42, ah misunderstanding sorry.  I was just curious whether here are people who could test IPv6 patches for ejabberd_stun.  It's not like I already have patches that compile though 🙂
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[15:40:00] <ChaosKid42> Ok. No problem. I'll happily test the patches once you are ready.
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[15:42:04] <ChaosKid42> > And coturn is running on ipv4?
On both v4 and v6. Similar to prosody config described here:
https://github.com/wiktor-k/coturn/blob/master/README.md
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[16:04:17] <dominion> Hi Daniel, I have testet A/V Call with conversations 2.8.1+pcr on two devices in same !Wifi!, also Wifi and mobile network. Server Version is ejabberd 20.4 and stun/turn is configured to the default port.
The videocall is working fine but it takes a long time to make the videocall, see my adb log. is it a server side problem or belongs to conversations?
https://notebin.de/?5ae3179d544095f3#6WTyzEaDeS6Kj7GKwqBzpAsBVrRgf7Gyzy2vLqWfUYiK
thx for help
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[16:07:27] <Holger> daniel: I sent him here because e.g. 7 seconds between those two steps sounds long to me and I'm not sure whether or not this might still be related to ICE stuff:
05-01 17:47:11.349  8031  1990 D conversations: sending candidate: video:1:candidate:4095102850 1 udp 24977151 xx.xx.xx.xx 49802 typ relay raddr xx.xx.xx.xx rport 46955 generation 0 ufrag tjHg network-id 5 network-cost 10:turn:xx.xx.xx.xx:3478?transport=tcp:UNKNOWN
05-01 17:47:18.946  8031  1990 D conversations: xxxxxxx@blabber.im: PeerConnectionState changed to CONNECTING
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[16:09:28] <Holger> Another 6 seconds here:
05-01 17:47:18.951  8031  8031 D conversations: SurfaceViewRenderer was already initialized
05-01 17:47:24.142  8031 18466 D conversations: xxxxxxx@blabber.im: packet delivered to JingleRtpConnection
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[16:10:44] <Holger> While according to Dominion the negotiation is fast when using a server without 0215 support (for calls within the local network in both cases).
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[16:12:57] <Martin> When I creat a xmpp component and connect this to ejabberd, can I let multiple instances connect? And what happens when someone send a message to component? Send to all instances? Or random? Or the one with highest priority?
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[16:13:50] <Holger> Martin, depends on the `global_routes` setting: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/listen-options/#global-routes
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[16:16:49] <Martin> Ok, but default it is true, what does that do?
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[16:17:52] <Martin> And can be changed off course, I was wondering if you can spread load simple between multiple instances when creating a component
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[16:18:57] <johnatan> Im french
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[16:20:13] <johnatan> Im speek french
[16:20:25] <Martin> I don’t speak French :(
[16:20:28] <johnatan> A nude ?
[16:20:51] <johnatan> ???
[16:21:08] <johnatan> A nude me
[16:21:10] <Martin> I don’t think we want nudes here
[16:21:27] <johnatan> Because
[16:21:53] <johnatan> ?????
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[16:24:18] <daniel> between what two steps do you think there is too much time?
[16:24:56] <daniel> 05-01 17:47:24.145  8031 18466 D conversations: processing session-accept with 2 contents
05-01 17:47:24.254  8031  1990 D conversations: onJingleRtpConnectionUpdate(CONNECTED)
[16:25:00] <daniel> that's a few ms
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[16:26:03] <Holger> My copy-paste above was wrong?
[16:26:23] <daniel> no i copy pasted different lines
[16:26:58] <daniel> i'm copy pasting the event of us receiving the jingle session-accept (when we start things) and the connected
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[16:29:20] <daniel> there seems to be delay on the xmpp connection though
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[16:35:55] <Licaon_Kter> reset:
> my guess was if there was any type of bug/exploit in ejabberd they could use and thats whay this happens this last 3-4+ months
Covid situation?
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[16:36:55] <reset> no i wouldnt relate that to covid in any way, 4 months back there was no covid situation
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[16:39:36] <reset> random letter/number accounts, even from the same ips
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[16:40:03] <Licaon_Kter> Oh
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[16:41:06] <debalance> https://tracker.debian.org/news/1140449/accepted-ejabberd-2004-1-source-into-unstable/
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[16:41:40] <debalance> packages for buster-backports will soon be available on apt.debalance.de/
[16:41:51] <debalance> packages for buster-backports will soon be available on https://apt.debalance.de
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[16:42:30] <Licaon_Kter> debalance:  👍
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[16:44:15] <daniel> Cool
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[16:44:42] <nuron> Nice!
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[17:03:07] <nuron> And is there a time plan when it will be available in the official buster backports?
[17:03:46] <nuron> Is there a difference between updating from debalance repo or (later) from the backports?
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[17:14:54] <debalance> nuron: usually not
[17:15:24] <debalance> but it's meant for development, so you should remove/disable it again once you have upgraded
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[17:21:01] <nuron> So it would work if I upgrade now from your repo and later switch back to back ports debalance ?
[17:22:23] <debalance> nuron: yes, unless some serious bugs are found I will upload the same packages to Debian as soon as policy allows it
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[17:22:37] <nuron> Great
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[17:22:46] <debalance> but the backports are still being built, so you have to wait a little bit longer ;)
[17:22:58] <nuron> No problem
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[17:23:31] <debalance> when ejabberd_20.04-1~bpo10+1_amd64.deb appears in https://apt.debalance.de/pool/main/e/ejabberd/ you can go ahead ;)
[17:24:12] <nuron> Fine
[17:24:15] <nuron> Thanks
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[17:32:27] <nuron> > debalance Wrote:
> when ejabberd_20.04-1~bpo10+1_amd64.deb appears in https://apt.debalance.de/pool/main/e/ejabberd/ you can go ahead ;)
It is listed there now 😃
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[17:48:32] <debalance> !version debalance.de
[17:48:42] <Servant> debalance.de is running ejabberd version 20.04-1~bpo10+1 on unix/linux 4.19.0
[17:48:53] <debalance> and it weems to be working
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[17:49:00] <debalance> and it seems to be working
[17:49:11] <nuron> Very nice, I will create a snapshot and then go for it...
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[18:21:56] <nuron> Ping
[18:22:19] <nuron> !info shreddox.eu
[18:22:19] <Servant> nuron: shreddox.eu is running since 5 minutes
shreddox.eu is running ejabberd version 20.04-1~bpo10+1.
contact addresses for shreddox.eu are
- abuse-addresses : xmpp:admin@shreddox.eu
[18:22:23] <nuron> Yeay!
[18:22:56] <dominion> !info blabber.im
[18:22:57] <Servant> dominion: blabber.im is running since 9 hours 29 minutes 18 seconds
blabber.im is running ejabberd version 20.04.
contact addresses for blabber.im are
- abuse-addresses : mailto:dominion@blabber.im , xmpp:dominion@blabber.im
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[18:25:07] <nuron> !info spootle.de
[18:25:07] <Servant> nuron: spootle.de is running since 1 week 3 days 1 hour 39 minutes
spootle.de is running ejabberd version 20.02-2~bpo10+1 on unix/linux 4.19.0
contact addresses for spootle.de are
- abuse-addresses : mailto:jeybe@posteo.de
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[18:29:06] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> https://emevth.no-ip.biz/upload/cf3cc2747fd816ab588e8508a2c3dfeb30845b2a/a1J4t1YOuEjWMzi3ezeB4afF9YvdOb8qG6rBtYwM/chzkSESTTPS51tD-f6e8dw.jpg
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[18:31:48] <nuron> !info honigdachse.de
[18:31:48] <Servant> nuron: !uptime honigdachse.de resulted in: remote-server-timeout
!version honigdachse.de resulted in: remote-server-timeout
!contact honigdachse.de resulted in: remote-server-timeout
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[18:32:09] <nuron> Well okay... Thought I've read about this downtime on mastodon earlier
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[18:35:39] <dominion> what are the settings to use coturn as stun/turn server? is it possible to use coturn with static-auth-secret ?
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[18:49:32] <dominion> got it
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[19:08:19] <dominion> Same Problem, the videocalls may take 5 ringtones to start.
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[21:29:15] <ludo> Hi. Just upgraded to 20.04 (thanks Debalance!)
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[21:30:11] <ludo> But ejabberd does not like the mod_stun_disco, throws an invalid value error while doing `reload_config`
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[21:30:45] <ludo> Am I missing something?
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[21:33:38] <Caius Cartapus> Audio-video calls work like a charm. My setup Debian ejabberd 20.04, coturn and Conversations 2.8.0+pcr, Nokia 7.2 . Thank you.
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[21:43:54] <Holger> ludo: The log file should contain a message telling you precisely what's wrong.
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[21:45:29] <tyler> Hmmm conversations crashing on video upload / download or something....
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[21:47:07] <ludo> Holger: indeed: Error: "Invalid value of option modules: unknown ejabberd module: mod_stun_disco. Did you mean mod_disco?"
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[21:49:49] <ludo> Servant: !version nuage.me
[21:49:50] <Servant> ludo in Nordrassil's name!
nuage.me is running ejabberd version 20.02-2~bpo10+1.
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[21:50:12] <ludo> > ludo in Nordrassil's name!
> nuage.me is running ejabberd version 20.02-2~bpo10+1.
Damn, that's the explanation...
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[21:55:54] <ludo> Holger: sorry for the noise. I don't know why but I had to explicitely use the `apt install -t buster-backports ejabberd` to trigger the update...
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[22:26:44] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Everybody is talking about coturn ..do I need that really?
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[22:26:59] <Holger> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: No.
[22:27:30] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Video calls fail since upgrade 🤡
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[22:29:23] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> I read about putting hostname iso up in turn_ip
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[22:29:28] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Does this work ?
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[22:29:47] <Holger> No.
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[22:31:19] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> do i have to make some setting to mod_stun disco ?
[22:31:41] <Holger> No.
[22:31:53] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> well have to test again then :)
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[22:32:51] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> movim still not updated :(
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[23:03:43] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !contact emevth.no-ip.biz
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[23:03:43] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: !contact emevth.no-ip.biz resulted in: remote-server-timeout
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[23:03:54] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Lol what
[23:04:03] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[23:04:03] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: !version emevth.no-ip.biz resulted in: remote-server-timeout
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[23:08:55] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[23:08:55] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 20.04 on unix/linux 5.3.0
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[23:09:07] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !contact emevth.no-ip.biz
[23:09:07] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: emevth.no-ip.biz has no contact addresses configured.
[23:10:12] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !verson emevth.no-ip.biz
[23:10:24] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !version emevth.no-ip.biz
[23:10:24] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: emevth.no-ip.biz is running ejabberd version 20.04 on unix/linux 5.3.0
[23:10:29] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !uptime
[23:10:37] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !uptime emevth.no-ip.biz
[23:10:37] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: emevth.no-ip.biz is running since 8 minutes 31 seconds
[23:10:46] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !contact emevth.no-ip.biz
[23:10:46] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: emevth.no-ip.biz has no contact addresses configured.
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[23:13:15] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> !contact emevth.no-ip.biz
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[23:13:15] <Servant> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: contact addresses for emevth.no-ip.biz are
- feedback-addresses : https://chat.noip.me , mailto:thundergreen@gmail.com , xmpp:thorsten@emevth.no-ip.biz
[23:13:31] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Cool
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[23:34:51] <tyler> !version
[23:35:03] <tyler> !version xmpp.schwend.us
[23:35:03] <Servant> tyler: !version xmpp.schwend.us resulted in: remote-server-timeout
[23:35:14] <tyler> Cool, cool.
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