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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Saturday, May 16, 2020< ^ >
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[08:15:13] <Pitho> If you use letsencrypt certs for both ejabberd and http server, do you obtain them by certbot or acme.sh or other program?
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[08:15:28] <Holger> Anything will work.
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[08:16:57] <Holger> I use `dehydrated` if I can do DNS challenges, and `acme-tiny`for HTTP challenges.
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[08:22:11] <Licaon_Kter> acme.sh and static her
[08:22:13] <Licaon_Kter> acme.sh and static here
[08:23:13] <Licaon_Kter> I meant stateless
https://github.com/acmesh-official/acme.sh/wiki/Stateless-Mode
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[08:25:18] <Holger> Oh that's sweet.
[08:26:09] <Holger> acme.sh also does DNS.  Is that a newer thing?  Wasn't really aware of it.
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[08:26:51] <Holger> Not sure what's so cool about doing this with /bin/sh (like dehydrated) but whatever.
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[08:28:43] <Holger> k the marketing material sounds good.  I'll buy it next time I'll set up a new client.
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[08:31:30] <Pitho> Interesting, thanks.
Just a last question: Do you have a (root?) script in cronjob running, which first runs the acme scripts and then moves/chowns the certs to their right places/owners?
Or do you have a better strategy?
I didn't want let acme.sh run as root for example.
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[08:32:17] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
> acme.sh also does DNS.  Is that a newer thing?  Wasn't really aware of it.
Not new, but if your provider does not have an API not that useful
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[08:33:34] <Holger> Pitho, I typically set up a dedicated `cert` user for this.  Certificates do into his home directory.  I make sure the certificates and keys are group-readable.  I add the users running daemons to the `cert` group.
[08:33:38] <Licaon_Kter> Pitho: crontab yes, acme.sh path puts them where I need it and execs reload and nginx restart
[08:33:49] <Holger> *Certificates go ...
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[08:35:23] <Holger> I guess an alternative might calling the job as root, doing `su - unprivileged -c "acme.sh ..."` to get the certificates, and then having root `cp`/`chown`ing the certs/keys in place.
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[08:35:53] <Holger> But I'm old-school and like creating dedicated users for everything without involving root.
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[08:39:36] <Pitho> Hehe, I like your approach Holger :)
I almost expected the answer about a dedicated user after you guidance yesterday. ;)
Thank you for your suggestion, I will now consider what I'm going to do.
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[08:41:04] <Holger> Today's youth prefers doing everything as root and then putting everything into containers for isolation, rather than just using long-beard Unix users/groups 🙂
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[08:43:42] <Pitho> yea it says
> acme.sh 💕 docker
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[08:44:56] <Pitho> I never played around with containers -- maybe I should jump on the train too? ;)
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[08:48:36] <Holger> Certainly makes sense if you want an admin job these days 🙂
[08:49:33] <Holger> I'm lucky enough that we didn't jump yet at our workplace as  we're all long beards.  (Well except for a very small number of containers for some customer.)
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[16:41:17] <zuglufttier> Containers can be nice... But a properly configured server will live for many years including all the usual release upgrades,
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[16:43:14] <Licaon_Kter> I guess it depends on the load, eg. Say you get more users than usual and you spawn another container to on another server and cluster it or smth.
I dunno, maybe I don't think big enough? I got no VC funding :(
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[16:47:19] <zuglufttier> Sure, you can do that. But then again, why containers and not just plain simple virtual machines? Supply them with ansible or whatever. Anyway, if you're dealing with 20 users on your ejabberd installation and are just starting out, it's worth the effort to configure it by hand and learn the things needed to do that.
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[20:40:35] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Ellenor Malik gerelly it's bullshit .)
[20:41:43] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> i'd like having a moster cocker stack with rjabberd movim and spectrum2 :)
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