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ejabberd
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Thursday, June 4, 2020< ^ >
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[02:34:27] <daidoji> Is there any tutorial about setting up a muc I can talk with my friends on?
[02:34:36] <daidoji> or do I just fiddle around with the config files?
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[04:42:26] <Licaon_Kter> daidoji: you do that from the clients...
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[07:44:32] <Freyskeyd> Hello
[07:44:53] <Freyskeyd> I think I found an incompatibility dans mod_muc_room
[07:45:16] <Freyskeyd> Incompatibility with XEP-0334
[07:45:37] <Freyskeyd> it doesn't follow this XEP for the message internal storing
[07:45:58] <Freyskeyd> and so message with `store` or `no-store` aren't handle properly when joining a room
[07:46:35] <Freyskeyd> Are you aware of this or do I need to create a ticket?
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[08:05:11] <Holger> Freyskeyd: So the body-less messages you were missing aren't in the database, after all?
[08:05:44] <Holger> Freyskeyd: If so, can you give me a stanza that won't be stored but you'd expect it to be, so I can copy-paste it into a Gajim console?
[08:05:47] <Freyskeyd> they are in the database because its handled by `mod_mam` but they are not in the message list returned by the `presence`
[08:05:51] <Freyskeyd> when joining
[08:05:59] <Holger> What.
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[08:06:08] <Freyskeyd> handled by the `mod_muc_room`
[08:06:10] <Holger> Sounds like you're confused :-)
[08:06:34] <Holger> Freyskeyd: So this isn't about MAM at all.
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[08:06:45] <Holger> Freyskeyd: I don't think it's a bug then.
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[08:06:56] <Freyskeyd> yep mam works fine, but room doesn't
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[08:07:04] <Holger> Use MUC MAM?
[08:07:45] <Holger> That history you're talking about is an old-school thing (predates MAM) to give you a little context when joining IRC-style channels such as this one.
[08:08:09] <Holger> Modern clients would tell the MUC room not to return that history at all, and just use MUC MAM.
[08:08:17] <Freyskeyd> yep, that the problem, I was expecting the same behaviour on message hint
[08:08:28] <Holger> Right, that assumption is wrong.
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[08:08:44] <Freyskeyd> it's not really defined anywhere that it doesn't use mam underneth
[08:09:02] <Holger> True.  But it doesn't.  As I said it predates MAM.
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[08:12:14] <Holger> If you build ejabberd yourself you could patch this check out quite easily: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/mod_muc_room.erl#L982
[08:12:25] <Holger> But I'm not sure this should be changed upstream.
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[08:22:33] <Freyskeyd> Ok
[08:22:57] <Freyskeyd> maybe adding some doc some where to prevent others to be in the same case that mine can be cool :)
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[08:24:09] <Holger> I'm sorry but I wouldn't expect anyone else in the world to combine modern stuff such as message hints with that outdated history mechanism ;-)
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[08:25:00] <Holger> If you're interested in getting stuff delivered you won't use that history but MAM.  The history is (a) limited in size and (b) gone once you restart the server.
[08:25:53] <Freyskeyd> yes but their is no place where you tell that the history received when joining isnt a MAM history
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[08:26:58] <Holger> Maybe I'm misunderstanding you there.  XEP-0045 tells you that you might or might not receive such history, so that's all you can rely on.
[08:27:02] <Freyskeyd> that the kind of doc I would have been happy to have
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[08:29:49] <Holger> I understand that, I'm just saying I doubt anyone else makes this assumption.  I'm all for good docs but in my book that doesn't include long lists of "if you assume $x, that's wrong" items, as that would not just clarify things but also add confusion.
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[08:31:40] <Freyskeyd> okey
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[08:32:20] <Freyskeyd> another question, how can I configure MAM to store every groupchat? (the one without bodies)
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[08:40:01] <Holger> Enabling MAM is a per-room configuration option that room owners can toggle (or clients can do that automatically, e.g. Conversations auto-enables it).  You can enable it by default for new rooms:
```
modules:
  mod_muc:
    default_room_options:
      mam: true
```
[08:40:51] <Holger> The client then MAM-queries the room JID rather than the user JID.
[08:41:04] <Freyskeyd> yes but it's up to the client to add the `store` to the stanza without bodies
[08:41:21] <Freyskeyd> or do I need a custom module that add this `store` to every groupchat?
[08:41:24] <Holger> Right.  If the sending client didn't do that, there's no way besides modifying mod_mam.
[08:41:27] <Holger> Or that, yes.
[08:41:49] <Freyskeyd> it should be a hook with priority 1 I guess&&
[08:41:51] <Freyskeyd> ^^
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[08:41:59] <Holger> :-)  Yes that would work.
[08:42:22] <Holger> ejabberd just implements the spec there, but those MAM/Carbon rules are problematic indeed and are being discussed.
[08:42:44] <Holger> XMPP community is good at discussing.
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[08:44:45] <Holger> I'd be fine with a store-everything config option for mod_mam.  But then admins will complain that "everything" should not include presence, or errors, or $whatever, but just everything they happen to want :-)
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[08:45:49] <Freyskeyd> yep
[08:45:57] <Freyskeyd> I think I will go with the custom module
[08:46:01] <Freyskeyd> should be tiny
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[17:26:12] <daidoji> Licaon_Kter which clients?  ejabberdctl, or the web interface?
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[17:26:25] <daidoji> I'm confused about where to start, the documentation seems to use the three interchangably
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[17:28:40] <Holger> daidoji, XMPP clients that support groupchat typically have a knob to create a new groupchat.
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[17:30:49] <daidoji> Holger ahhh, so its not like IRC where these rooms kinda lie around all the time, but one thats instigated by participants?
[17:30:55] <daidoji> maybe I just don't understand XMPP well enough
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[17:31:15] <Holger> A client creates a room and then it lies around, similar to IRC.
[17:31:42] <Holger> On IRC you create a new channel from a client as well.  Rather than using some ircdctl.
[17:31:50] <daidoji> oh, so if I have ejabberd running on my home network, then I could get converse.js somehow to create a groupchat?
[17:32:01] <Holger> Yes.
[17:32:19] <daidoji> oh okay, thanks.  I'll try to figure that out.
[17:32:31] <Holger> Or, well, not sure about Converse.js specifically 😂️  But "probably yes", and that's the idea.
[17:32:54] <daidoji> haha roger
[17:32:56] <Holger> You can certainly use Conversations, Gajim, whatnot.
[17:33:36] <daidoji> 👍
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[18:43:56] <Holger> https://github.com/zinid/conf/pull/1
[18:44:04] <Holger> Been a while since he merged a PR of mine 🙂
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[21:03:00] <Holger> Hm?  That's an Erlang library.
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[21:06:37] <Alacer> Yes it's an Erlang lib but off course it allows to use YAML configurations rather erlang which are better understood by JSON Community
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[21:19:23] <daidoji> If I follow instructions for "localhost" domain with configuring ejabberd then can I connect to that from another computer?
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[21:19:34] <daidoji> or can I only connect through that domain?
[21:19:40] <daidoji> I can get to the HTTP admin console
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[21:21:19] <daidoji> and another wider question, does it require a DNS domain or can ip addresses be used as well?
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