Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, June 24, 2020< ^ >
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[05:18:04] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Holger: but?
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[05:26:46] <riau illiyyin> Does eturnal have similar function like coturn?
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[06:16:33] <Licaon_Kter> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: this is for prosody or metronome users that don't want coturn
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[06:45:40] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> is ejabberd now effectively the reference jabberd
[06:47:34] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: what does that mean?
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[07:13:57] <Holger> ThUnD3r|Gr33n: ... or for non-XMPP users needing STUN/TURN.
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[07:52:17] <Neustradamus_> Holger: Can you add "Issues" for https://github.com/processone/conf?
[07:53:22] <Neustradamus_> Note: It is always a fork.
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[08:00:06] <Holger> Neustradamus_: As long as we didn't deviate from zinid/conf I see no point in posting issues against our fork.
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[08:02:44] <Neustradamus_> Why it is not possible to remove the fork and move the base in P1?
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[08:03:36] <Holger> Why are you interested in these questions?  You're planning to use this library and are unsure which one to use or what?
[08:04:08] <Holger> Anyway this is zinid's code and he no longer works for ProcessOne.
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[08:06:15] <Neustradamus_> Ah!
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[08:11:01] <Neustradamus_> Holger: Congrats for the beginning of https://github.com/processone/eturnal
Do not forget my tickets about STUN/TURN/ICE with RFCs :)
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[08:11:45] <Holger> Nothing open AFAICS?
[08:11:47] <Holger> https://github.com/processone/stun/issues
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[08:15:18] <Neustradamus_> Yes I have not opened new tickets
[08:15:32] <Holger> Do you mean those three IPv6 issues with random lists of each and every RFC you were able to find that seemed somehow related to STUN/TURN/ICE.  And you should know that's not how feature wishes work.  They work like "I want to do $foo for the reason $bar".
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[08:16:41] <Neustradamus_> All listed RFCs from tickets
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[08:17:50] <Holger> "Hey I'm Neustradamus_, I'd like to talk to you.  I'll promise to blatantly ignore all words you say."
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[08:19:21] <Holger> If you need a bloated TURN server that implements each and every extension under the sun no matter whether it's still used by anybody (or ever was), just use Coturn.
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[08:19:59] <daniel> but does it support SCRAM-SHA1024?
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[08:28:30] <riau illiyyin> Can i use eturnal on instance have only ipv4 ?
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[08:29:02] <Holger> riau illiyyin: Yes.
[08:29:46] <riau illiyyin> Nice, will try it. Thank you Holger
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[08:30:22] <Holger> While testing TURN with libwebrtc/Conversations we ran into a few cases where v6 (mobile) clients failed to use a v4-only server (despite having v4 connectivity), though.
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[08:31:15] <Holger> Some of those cases can be worked around by announcing the TURN server's IPv4-only _hostname_ rather than the IPv4 address to the client.
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[08:32:49] <Holger> (I tried to explain the reason here: <https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/e4de03f3df>)
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[09:10:49] <mightyBroccoli> > "Hey I'm Neustradamus_, I'd like to talk to you.  I'll promise to blatantly ignore all words you say."
The heat is really stressing people out. 😂
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[09:13:17] <Holger> Seems you haven't seen me stressed :-)
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[10:57:16] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> LOL
[10:57:19] <ThUnD3r|Gr33n> Holger  u know stress?
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[10:59:17] <Holger> Sure, when Hertha BSC is loosing.
[10:59:34] <Holger> Happens often.
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[11:51:09] <Alacer> Holger:
> Holger wrote:
> marc, https://github.com/processone/eturnal
👏👍
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[12:01:03] <дёрн> Holger, do you have some benchmark comparison to coTURN?
[12:01:13] <дёрн> or feature comparison?
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[12:04:03] <дёрн> and do you already use it in production?
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[12:07:43] <Holger> дёрн, I didn't do any benchmarks/comparisons yet but it's on my list, I'm highly interested myself.
[12:08:23] <Holger> дёрн, the actual STUN/TURN code is in processone/stun which is used by ejabberd for ages, so it's been tested in production a lot.
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[12:10:17] <дёрн> I see, you just sourced it out and made it standalone 🙂
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[12:12:27] <Holger> дёрн, Coturn is definitely more full-featured and I don't aim to implement all those extensions.  There's lots of cruft that's no longer in use these days.  Our code has the stuff that's actually used and is nice and clean, so the point is offering a straightforward alternative.  In other words, I have no real selling point above Coturn 🙂
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[12:14:30] <Holger> If anything I might go a bit more into the REST authentication thing; e.g. shipping a built-in API (non-XMPP) WebRTC apps might want to use; supporting multi-domain use cases; dunno.  And yes looking into performance.
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[12:15:45] <Holger> And maybe a traditional username/password backend which could be nicely clustered using Mnesia, if anyone is interested.  Don't need it myself but would be trivial to add as Mnesia basically provides that for free.
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[15:54:02] <riau illiyyin> Holger: where i could find eturnal's debug log? Trying to start eturnal but ended with eturnal.service code=exited status=1/failure
[15:54:07] <Neustradamus_> The problem with Coturn is that the current development does not exist...
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[16:00:40] <Licaon_Kter> Neustradamus_:
> The problem with Coturn is that the current development does not exist...
Already DONE? :))
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[16:03:37] <Holger> riau illiyyin: What's the output of `journalctl -u eturnal`?
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[16:07:27] <Holger> riau illiyyin: The log file should be /var/log/eturnal/eturnal.log by default, the log level is configurable in eturnal.yml, but this may well be a failure that happens before logging is even set up.  Those are written to the standard output and will therefore end up in systemd's journal.
[16:08:14] <Neustradamus_> -> https://github.com/coturn/coturn/issues/created_by/Neustradamus
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[16:09:50] <Holger> https://github.com/coturn/coturn/issues/331
[16:09:52] <Holger> 👍
[16:10:58] <riau illiyyin> Jun 24 17:31:51 vps eturnalctl[9015]: su: user 'eturnal' does not exist
Jun 24 17:31:51 vps systemd[1]: eturnal.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE
Jun 24 17:31:51 vps systemd[1]: eturnal.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Jun 24 17:31:56 v22019078787594088 systemd[1]: eturnal.service: Service RestartSec=5s expired, scheduling restart.
> What's the output of `journalctl -u eturnal`?
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[16:12:31] <Holger> riau illiyyin: You must create the `eturnal` user as mentioned in the README:
```
useradd -r -d /opt/eturnal eturnal
```
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[16:13:45] <Holger> And then better `rm -rf /opt/eturnal/*` and re-extract the tarball so the files belong to that user.
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[16:14:26] <Holger> I was wondering whether to add a Makefile where `sudo make install` does these things …
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[16:16:46] <Holger> riau illiyyin: I guess you edited the systemd unit file?  Because with the default file, I'd expect systemd to complain about the missing user, not like in your case `eturnalctl`.
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[16:23:18] <riau illiyyin> iirc, i dont edit any coturn.service file.
I also have useradd: user 'eturnal' already exists, and eturnal:x:997:996::/opt/eturnal:/bin/sh.
But will redo the installation process from the beginning. Just in case i missed something
> riau illiyyin: I guess you edited the systemd unit file?  Because with the default file, I'd expect systemd to complain about the missing user, not like in your case `eturnalctl`.
[16:23:54] <riau illiyyin> iirc, i dont edit any eturnal.service file.
I also have useradd: user 'eturnal' already exists, and eturnal:x:997:996::/opt/eturnal:/bin/sh.
But will redo the installation process from the beginning. Just in case i missed something
> riau illiyyin: I guess you edited the systemd unit file?  Because with the default file, I'd expect systemd to complain about the missing user, not like in your case `eturnalctl`.
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[16:25:45] <Holger> Wait, that's weird.
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[16:27:37] <Holger> Wait I have an idea, let me try to reproduce.
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[16:31:07] <Holger> riau illiyyin: Yes my bug sorry, gonna fix it and let you know.
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[16:37:00] <riau illiyyin> i'll wait then, thank you
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[18:40:35] <Holger> riau illiyyin: Should be fixed.  Just re-extract the new tarball.  Sorry about that.
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[19:18:43] <Dom> Is there any chance to get a A/V-call established with stun/turn when the other client is in a very restrictive network which seems to block nearly all ports..?
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[19:36:50] <Holger> Dom: I think the best that can be done is having the *other* client's server offering TURN via TLS on port 443.
[19:38:18] <Dom> Hm ok, sounds reasonably.
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[19:38:44] <Holger> Which unfortunately isn't totally trivial if that server doesn't have a dedicated IP address for TURN with nothing else on 443.
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[19:40:10] <Holger> We do that on conversations.im so a test account on that server could be used to check whether TURNS on 443 does the trick.
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[19:46:23] <Dom> Okay, by the way: what is more "common"? Stun/turn over udp or tcp? I see that ejabberd can serve both
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[19:47:26] <Licaon_Kter> Dom: udp
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[19:50:14] <Dom> Sound also reasonably, because streaming is nearly always udp. Is there any situation where stun/turn over tcp is useful at all?
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[19:57:26] <Dom> Erm... when using TURNS / TURN via TLS... it has to be tcp, hasn't it?
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[20:01:27] <Holger> > Erm... when using TURNS / TURN via TLS... it has to be tcp, hasn't it?
Yes.
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[20:02:16] <Holger> > Sound also reasonably, because streaming is nearly always udp. Is there any situation where stun/turn over tcp is useful at all?
Firewalls that block UDP but permit unencrypted TCP. Yes quite corner case.
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[20:25:27] <Dom> Hm the whole thing is really "port-443-hungry" then...
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[20:26:15] <Dom> I have web interface (upload) on port 443, xmpps on 443 and now stun/turn om 443? That are 3 IPs...
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