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ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, July 15, 2020< ^ >
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[08:25:14] <Martin Kollaard> IJ: Don't know if that goes right with rest of the projects that use the database :P
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[08:25:58] <Martin Kollaard> Holger: Yes first I change all the UNIQUE INDEX to primary, then I check which other tables need a primary key,
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[10:37:42] <Martin Kollaard> Ok done, ejabberd works still fine :D
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[10:45:28] <Holger> 👍
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[12:04:24] <kris> https://the-federation.info/ejabberd
[12:04:37] <kris> How do I enable this?
[12:04:50] <kris> Seems like a new feature in 20.04?
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[12:05:23] <Holger> No, ij and I think some others wrote some scripts for it ...
[12:05:46] <kris> Ah, any idea where to find that script?
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[12:14:18] <ij> kris: https://github.com/ingoj/ejabberd-nodeinfo2 - currently works with postgresql, but ready for mysql as well… just need to know the sql query
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[12:14:35] <kris> Ah, thanks
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[12:19:21] <ij> ah, and mnesia is currently unsupported, except when you know how to query the values from mnesia…
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[12:39:16] <Martin Kollaard> I love to see pages like that :D
[12:39:22] <Martin Kollaard> I like statistics :P
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[12:43:34] <edhelas> kris what is behind the "posts" counter ?
[12:43:45] <edhelas> because if it's the chat messages, it's kinda wrong
[12:44:18] Holger suggested looking at MAM ...
[12:44:37] <edhelas> 🤷
[12:44:38] <Holger> Though it may still be wrong of course.
[12:44:54] <edhelas> if they want posts counter, they should look in the pubsub table
[12:45:02] <Holger> Hah.
[12:45:24] <Holger> If in doubt there's always /dev/random ...
[12:45:46] <edhelas> you mean like for Facebook ? 🤔
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[12:46:02] <edhelas> "12 billions humans are now subscribed on Facebook"
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[12:46:18] <Holger> 😂️
[12:47:03] <edhelas> https://www.campusmvp.es/recursos/image.axd?picture=/2017/2T/3-Billion-Devices-Run-Java-00.jpg
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[12:56:56] <ij> edhelas: posts are: „select count(*) from archive where server_host='VHOST‘“
[12:57:15] <ij> I’m open for better ideas :)
[12:58:16] <Holger> The devil is in the details but fixing those is cumbersome.
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[12:59:28] <Holger> The archive table won't include groupchat messages (and as edhelas pointed out PubSub!).  And obviously nothing if the user disabled MAM.  OTOH it may contain non-chat messages.
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[12:59:51] <Holger> Oh nonsense same table for groupchat 🙂
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[13:00:04] <ij> well, archive was you idea anyway ;)
[13:00:08] <ij> +r
[13:00:10] <Holger> Yes.
[13:00:19] <Holger> Because anything else gets complicated.
[13:01:02] <ij> yeah, for me that’s just an indicator for chat activiness of the users
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[13:02:10] <kris> Its a bit comparing apples and oranges anyways.
[13:02:23] <ij> active last months just shows if the users logged in while posts shows more if messages are sent
[13:02:25] <Holger> ij: You just throw the `select count(*)` result at federation.info and they will derive the diff from the previous submission?
[13:02:34] <ij> yes
[13:02:55] <ij> well, actually no idea how the federation does this
[13:03:37] <ij> anyway, a real nodeinfo plugin for ejabberd would be the best solution
[13:03:48] <Holger> On https://the-federation.info/ejabberd it just looks like a single global number.
[13:04:12] <Holger> So if I kept MAM archives for 10 years the number would be n times larger?
[13:04:46] <Holger> I dunno I just somehow dislike that site 😛️
[13:04:54] <ij> yeah, but it’s the same for Mastodon and others… if you don’t cleanup
[13:05:08] <Holger> Despite really liking staring stats as well.
[13:05:14] <Holger> *staring at stats ...
[13:05:31] <ij> https://the-federation.info/node/nerdica.net
[13:05:37] <ij> the counter can drop as well
[13:06:00] <Holger> Users can, but posts?
[13:06:32] <Holger> Maybe they just take whatever random number of posts you send them, who cares what it means?
[13:06:38] <ij> well, if count the posts in the database and the posts expires and expunged, then the count will drop somewhen
[13:06:48] <Holger> That's what I mean 🙂
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[13:07:05] <Holger> I'm all for random stats but that sounds too useless even for my taste.
[13:07:07] <ij> my friendica sites is like 25G in size now
[13:07:20] <ij> so without purging it would be ever growing
[13:07:31] <Holger> It should be called "database size" or something.
[13:08:02] <ij> Jason is open for PRs : https://github.com/thefederationinfo/the-federation.info ;)
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[13:10:20] <ij> and it’s hard to compare different projects… some do have posts and comments, other just posts and from matrix you don’t even have user counts
[13:11:00] <Holger> Sure but this fails at comparing blabber.im to jabber.at ...
[13:12:30] <ij> yes, maybe… depends on what you are looking at, of course… ;)
[13:13:20] <ij> there’s always room for improvement…
[13:14:18] <Holger> I'm not complaining about federation.info, they do whatever they like.  Just explaining that I'm not too motivated to put work into an ejabberd module.
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[13:18:04] <ij> I think having some sort of stats would sometimes help in gaining new users as you can show that there are active users and how many of them and you can counter those „nobody is using XMPP nowadays“ arguments (to some degree). Of course it’s always complicated with a federated protocol and an opt-in stats site…
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[13:20:24] <ij> in absence of a better stats site, the-federation is at least a first step :)
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[13:23:28] <Holger> Hm regardless of how good or bad the stats site is I don't buy the marketing effect. You gain new users by offering an app that's trivial to set up, not by showing statistics. But I do see how the latter is just for ourselves.
[13:23:47] <Holger> Hm regardless of how good or bad the stats site is I don't buy the marketing effect. You gain new users by offering an app that's trivial to set up, not by showing statistics. But I do see how the latter is interesting for ourselves.
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[13:30:38] <ij> yes, that my is/was main motivation as well: looking at the stats and which rank you site has… but that also got somewhat boring (for Friendica) since Libranet lost most of its active users at a sudden and I got placed at rank #1 ;)
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[16:58:53] <kolbrich> Hi! I'm trying to connect jitsi meet to my ejabberd server but I receive "Access denied by service policy" as response from the bosh interface. Which config settings defines the "service policy"?
[16:59:49] <Holger> kolbrich, did you see <https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2020/03/16/install-jitsi-meet-alongside-ejabberd/>?
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[17:04:13] <kolbrich> I will triple check
[17:05:00] <Holger> "service policy" is usually what's configured by means of access_rules/ACLs.
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[17:17:08] <kolbrich> Looks like this was the howto that I followed. My configurations seems to be identically.
[17:17:39] <kolbrich> access_rules could be an issue but I'm not sure what I need to set
[17:18:03] <Holger> What exactly are you trying to do when you receive that response?
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[17:20:33] <kolbrich> jitsi tries to connect to the room using bosh
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[17:21:30] <kolbrich> I immediately get "connection problem" when I access a room and bosh show this error (as xml stanza)
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[17:22:21] <kolbrich> is there a full copy of ejabberd.yml for jabberhead's howto?
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[17:23:34] <Holger> What's "jitsi"?  There's the Videobridge and the Jifoco components, both try to (1) log in (using authenticated accounts) and then (2) join MUC rooms.  And once all that works, there's Meet clients (usually the browser) that (1) try to log in (anonymously) and then (2) join a MUC room.
[17:23:39] <Holger> Which of those steps goes wrong?
[17:24:25] <Holger> *Jicofo
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[17:25:50] <kolbrich> jicofo and jvb look fine I think. If I join the MUC using a desktop client, I can see members. Logs also look fine (no errors, successfull health check, etc.).
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[17:26:03] <kolbrich> Just the web client seems to fail on bosh.
[17:26:48] <kolbrich> maybe the howto does not match perfectly for me as my ejabberd is on a second host.
[17:26:51] <Holger> So presumably the anon login fails?
[17:26:56] <kolbrich> I think so
[17:27:06] <Holger> (Not the room join?)
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[17:28:23] <kolbrich> I'm not sure, I just see this error message in XML when Jitsi Meet Web.
[17:28:52] <Holger> Nothing in ejabberd.log? L
[17:28:55] <Holger> Nothing in ejabberd.log?
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[17:31:44] <kolbrich> only connection attempt and "stream reset by peer" (most likely because the browser refreshs and connection is terminated)
[17:32:20] <Holger> You've set `anonymousdomain:` in Meet's `config.js`?
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[17:32:35] <kolbrich> yes
[17:32:52] <Holger> And the `bosh:` URL using that weirdo syntax (`//example.com/bosh`)?
[17:33:22] <kolbrich> exactly
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[17:34:32] <kolbrich>       mod_muc:
        access: all
        access_create: local
        access_persistent: local
        access_admin: admin
[17:35:01] <kolbrich> I'm wondering if access_create is a problem here (when it's value is "local")?
[17:35:04] <Holger> I have e.g.:
`anonymousdomain: 'meet.jabber.fu-berlin.de'`
... and in ejabberd.yml:
```
host_config:
  "meet.jabber.fu-berlin.de":
    s2s_access: none
    # Anonymous authentication.
    auth_method: anonymous
    anonymous_protocol: both
    allow_multiple_connections: true
    # [...]
```
[17:35:56] <kolbrich> same here
[17:36:09] <Holger> If you have at least `loglevel: info/4` you should see `ejabberd.log` entries such as this one:
```
(websocket|<0.6169.22>) Accepted c2s ANONYMOUS authentication for 1318093622716688500247059330@meet.jabber.fu-berlin.de by anonymous backend from x.x.x.x
```
[17:36:23] <Holger> (Well with http_bind rather than websocket if you use BOSH.)
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[17:36:38] <Holger> If you don't, the anon login is the issue, not the room join.
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[17:38:00] <kolbrich> Yes, this message is missing
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[17:38:54] <kolbrich> Ops, it's there...
[17:39:39] <Holger> Ok so it's mod_muc indeed.
[17:41:05] <kolbrich> do you use access_rules?
[17:41:11] <Holger> I have separate `mod_muc` configurations for my main domain and for the Meet domain.  For the Meet domain, I have `access_admin: meet_admin`.
[17:41:30] <Holger> `meet_admin` is an access rule that references an ACL which includes the focus@ user.
[17:41:42] <Holger> (The focus@ user must be able to manage MUC rooms.)
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[17:44:55] <kolbrich> Ok, looks like I got the same
[17:45:33] <Holger> Above you had `access_admin: admin`.  So the focus user is in the list of `admin`s?
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[17:46:06] <kolbrich> Yes
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[17:51:46] <kolbrich> Ah, maybe I did not configure focus component corretly inside config.js
[17:52:26] <Holger> See https://meet.jabber.fu-berlin.de/config.js for my setup ...
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[17:54:18] <kolbrich> Yep, mine was wrong. Why did you host focus on auth domain as component and not using the anon-namespace (/domain)?
[17:55:33] <Holger> You mean (in my example) focus.meet.jabber.fu-berlin.de?
[17:56:00] <kolbrich> actually focus: 'focus.jabber.fu-berlin.de',
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[17:56:36] <Holger> Oh you mean why the user JID is not focus@focus.jabber.fu-berlin.de?
[17:57:16] <Holger> That wouldn't work, the focus.jabber domain is entirely handled by the jicofo component, it can't authenticate itself 🙂
[17:57:17] <kolbrich> No, why you have chosen to host the component using the domain-namespace of you authenticated domain instead of the anonymous one like in the example.
[17:58:11] <Holger> I'm still not sure I understood.  `focus: 'focus.jabber.fu-berlin.de',` is what I have.
[17:58:25] <Holger> The question is why I don't have `focus: 'focus.meet.jabber.fu-berlin.de',` after all?
[17:58:27] <kolbrich> The example used "focus.meet.jabberhead.tk" where meet.jabberhead.tk was the anonymous domain.
[17:58:33] <Holger> Yeah right.
[17:58:55] <Holger> That's how I understood the question initially but I thought you said "no" 🙂
[17:59:02] <Holger> No functional difference, matter of taste.
[17:59:26] <kolbrich> Ah okay, thought I might have a security issue :-)
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[18:00:00] <Holger> Depends on whether your mental model says "everything belonging to Jitsi should be a (sub)domain of your Meet domain), or whether it says "your Meet domain is just the anon domain" (and focus is not anon).
[18:00:14] <Holger> But it's purely cosmetics.
[18:00:49] <kolbrich> Ok, thanks, I'm still a but overwhelmed by ejabberd / xmpp, especially components.
[18:01:03] <kolbrich> actually it looks like my setup works and the issue was the focus domain. 6 hours of debug and just a small typo...
[18:01:06] <Holger> The interaction with Jitsi Meet is super-complex.
[18:02:52] <kolbrich> I see that you have enabled websocket. Did you have any problems with that (i've enabled it on ejabberd but not jitsi)?
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[18:04:10] <Holger> No.  In theory it should be superior, but it won't matter much for Jitsi Meet as there's not much actual XMPP communication going on.  (Well then again, the initial Jingle negotiation being fast(er) won't hurt.)
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[18:39:34] <kolbrich> Ok, looks like it works but I need to fix some non-xmpp issues.
[18:39:40] <kolbrich> Thanks for your help!
[18:39:48] <Holger> 👍
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[19:46:15] <oyvey> daniel: nigga unban me from conv muc already, its over a year
[19:46:26] <oyvey> also fix your compliance shit
[19:46:41] <oyvey> Holger: nice mask
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[19:48:22] <oyvey> Holger: how to enable 0258? in documendation it says its in draft, but gajim complains its not active on my srv
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[19:48:48] <oyvey> also the docum is writen by retarded penguins it seems, no help at all
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[19:49:07] <oyvey> (no offense ❤️ )
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[19:49:22] <Holger> oyvey: Just shut up.
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[19:50:41] <Martin Kollaard> Hmm, when I connect multiple services. Do I need to open per service a different port?
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[19:51:59] <Holger> Martin Kollaard: You mean ejabberd_service components?
[19:52:18] <Holger> If so that's how I'd do it yes, but no not necessarily.
[19:52:21] <oyvey> > oyvey: Just shut up.
that doesnt fix xep 0258
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[19:53:10] <Holger> oyvey: Not supported by ejabberd.
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[19:53:30] <oyvey> uh, now thats better!
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[19:54:44] <Holger> Martin Kollaard: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/listen-options/#global-routes
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[19:58:32] <oyvey> > daniel: nigga unban me from conv muc already, its over a year
> also fix your compliance shit
echo echo echo
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[19:59:42] <Holger> Sigh this is begging for a ban or what?
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[20:00:32] <oyvey> no
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[20:05:46] <oyvey> was just making sure he doesnt miss my love message
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