Process-one
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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, August 25, 2020< ^ >
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[00:00:38] <daidoji> oh so is that like what we want to happen?  Or is that a bug?
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[02:31:30] <daidoji> oh that issue did have something to do with it
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[06:45:14] <conv> Please recommend a VoIP library for Android
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[07:00:57] <Licaon_Kter> conv: a?
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[07:01:22] <Licaon_Kter> > Read the code of Conversations or aTalk or Stork
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[09:23:28] <Martin Kollaard> Hi, i've a issue, I'm running multiple instances of a bot. to prevent all bots are responding to messages I give them different prio. but sometimes server just start sending the messages to all the connected bots. what can be the reason of that?
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[09:25:02] <mightyBroccoli> are all bots connected with the same jid?
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[09:26:48] <Licaon_Kter> Martin Kollaard: turn off carbons?
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[09:45:41] <Holger> Even if the bots don't enable carbons, messages sent to their bare JID are copied to all bots with the same highest prio.  I.e. if A, B and C are connected, A with prio 1, B and C with prio 2, messages to the bare JID are sent to B and C.
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[09:45:55] <Holger> So maybe they don't have different prios after all.
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[09:47:47] <Holger> daidoji, that's not what we _want_ to happen but it's not a bug.  Static type checking for hook callbacks is non-trivial to implement.  I think Mickaël Rémond had a go at it (plus auto-documentation of the hooks) a while back, dunno how far he got.
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[09:49:04] <Martin Kollaard> yes, need to spread work. They also sent out messages by them self. but they also need to respond to incoming messages
[09:49:45] <Martin Kollaard> yes they are all connected to same jid, how can I easy see the prio's known by server?
[09:50:49] <Martin Kollaard> sadly the webinterface does not show prio :(
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[09:51:23] <Holger> `ejabberdctl user-sessions-info bot example.com`
[09:51:51] <Holger> The fourth field is the priority value.
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[09:53:12] <Martin Kollaard> ok thanks, then I can check that the next time it happens
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[09:53:37] <Martin Kollaard> they now have different prio's
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[10:47:06] <Martin Kollaard> would be nice if I was able to also spread the incoming messages between the bots.
[10:47:44] <Martin Kollaard> The newer version that I've created is connected as a service, then it sends the message to random connection I believe
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[10:51:42] <Holger> Dunno the setup/use-case, leaving the spreading to the sender's side is not an option?
[10:52:01] <Holger> (By addressing full JIDs.)
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[10:55:47] <Martin Kollaard> but then the sender side needs to check which resources are online. We have a lot devices connected to xmpp so we can update data they are working with realtime.
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[10:57:38] <Martin Kollaard> all devices will slowly move to the new version. but that takes a few months I think
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[10:58:29] <Martin Kollaard> we are testing it now, so we don't use ejabberd as a chat server, but just for spreading data tru the country :P
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[11:45:28] <Holger> Ok, yes that model wouldn't be feasible then.
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[15:00:44] <daidoji> Holger , yeah there was a sweet tools called tools/hook_deps.sh which makes all the hooks
[15:00:52] <daidoji> but okay, I won't file an issue then
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[15:02:03] <daidoji> I don't know if that's what you meant by auto-documenting but it was a bit nicer than the grep ejabberd_hooks:run/fold commands I was using
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[15:06:22] <Holger> Right, I keep forgetting about that script as for me _personally_ grep works just fine 😉
[15:06:41] <daidoji> haha I bet
[15:07:01] <Holger> Feel free to file an issue of course, I agree with the feature wish 🙂
[15:07:14] <daidoji> word
[15:07:23] <Holger> Maybe mikl will comment on his past attempt.
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[15:07:39] <daidoji> I hope you got some rest yesterday, I did not seem to resolve these questions to my satisfaction if you have a few moments https://gist.github.com/daidoji/4d50caf6d2f449e064d9b7b6472590f2
[15:08:14] <daidoji> also, a new question.  ejabberdctl start_room doesn't seem to fire the create_room hook.  Is this expected?
[15:09:36] <Holger> Dunno, I saw the issue you referenced, looks like a bug indeed ...
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[15:11:00] <Holger> AFAICS mod_muc:create_room() (which triggers the hook) is called from nowhere.
[15:11:08] <Holger> I'll grep the Git history and comment on the issue.
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[16:08:59] <thorsten> https://emevth.no-ip.biz/upload/cf3cc2747fd816ab588e8508a2c3dfeb30845b2a/paBunVeUQFwYIpv3OdJNEPp4LERsHniua4rejwsQ/DybyG1dBRjiZ6LSZRaAivw.png
[16:09:05] <thorsten> Holger: watch
[16:09:16] <thorsten> That's stupid isn't it ?
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[16:24:56] <Holger> daidoji, your supervision tree adds two supervisors?
[16:25:31] <Holger> daidoji, regarding your first question, assuming the hook would work 🙂, it is never run with non-existing hosts.
[16:26:16] <Holger> daidoji, regarding the second, for what do you need the list of rooms?
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[16:28:29] <Holger> daidoji, and why only permanent rooms?
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[16:29:31] <Holger> (There's `mod_muc:get_online_rooms/1` but I guess you've seen that and that won't differentiate between persistent and non-persistent.)
[16:29:41] <daidoji> Well one parent supervisor (similar to mod_muc_sup) and one supervisor per each room (which will supervise gen_server votes)
[16:30:03] <Holger> I don't see the point of the parent supervisor there.
[16:30:06] <daidoji> Well I mean, can it be run for hosts that aren't on this cluster?
[16:30:17] <Holger> No.
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[16:30:24] <daidoji> oh okay
[16:30:42] <daidoji> I guess the parent supervisor was just to have something to attach to, I'm not wed to it
[16:30:55] <daidoji> how would you do it?
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[16:31:19] <Holger> I'd just attach the child supervisor to whatever supervisor you wanted to attach the parent supervisor 🙂
[16:31:35] <daidoji> oh yeah list of rooms is no problem.  I think I figured that one out sorry.  I thought I'd have to start one for each room from the list of rooms and then use the hook for newly created rooms
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[16:31:50] <Holger> And then add all mod_vote childs to your single supervisor.
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[16:31:59] <daidoji> to ejabberd_gen_mod_sup?
[16:32:04] <daidoji> or ejabberd_tmp_sup?
[16:32:55] <daidoji> hmm okay, I can do that
[16:32:58] <Holger> I would still think you'd start one mod_vote process whenever a vote is initiated, not when a room is created.
[16:33:21] <Holger> (I'm now always working on the assumption that you pretend ejabberd won't be restarted.)
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[16:33:53] <daidoji> I think the reason I didn't want to do that is the group clients will need to know which votes are currently active
[16:34:11] <Holger> Ah.
[16:34:13] <daidoji> so if there are multiple votes do I want to poll a big list or just put them in their own vote_supervisor
[16:34:26] <daidoji> I guess I could do it your way with a map though
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[16:34:47] <Holger> You don't care about restarts?
[16:34:56] <Holger> Because that would affect so many decisions ...
[16:35:03] <daidoji> well I was going to build in persistence and worry about restarts later
[16:35:17] <daidoji> right now I'm just trying to get something that works for a demo
[16:35:27] <Holger> If you have your data in a DB anyway you'd simply query that for the list of running votes, for example.
[16:35:30] <daidoji> so yeah, don't care about restarts at the moment
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[16:35:38] <daidoji> that's true
[16:35:42] <Holger> Completely different from querying some state in memory.
[16:36:00] <daidoji> right, but then I'd have to poll the DB to see when votes end
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[16:36:13] <daidoji> I thought I'd use a process so it would be more functional
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[16:36:41] <daidoji> Like assume you have vote_1 -> 10min vote_2 -> 7 days from now vote_3 -> 1 month
[16:36:53] <Holger> Yes I see the point of using a process.
[16:37:20] <Holger> But when you're asking for a list of votes (a list of processes) that might be something I'd just query from the DB.
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[16:37:48] <daidoji> true, to survive restarts and whatnot I guess I do have to persist every once in a while
[16:37:55] <daidoji> and so could just use that data
[16:38:33] <daidoji> but then I have to keep current vote processes <-> persisted votes in DB in sync
[16:38:38] <daidoji> but maybe I have to do that anyways
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[16:39:20] <Holger> I would think you'd write to the DB on vote creation and on vote termination.  Plus on server shutdown to save the state across restart.
[16:39:26] <Holger> (But I must run again sorry.)
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[16:39:34] <daidoji> no worries, thanks for your help
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[16:40:23] <daidoji> yeah I thought the same thing.  Using a gen_server for the votes and a supervisor was a way to cleanly shut down (or restore from persisted DB) all ongoing votes when a room was destroyed somehow
[16:40:38] <daidoji> because I was thinking about that state, not necessarily an ejabberd restart
[16:40:47] <daidoji> if that clarifies things as well
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[16:42:56] <Holger> Anyway if you'd like to build something without DB, the possible options for keeping a list would be: (1) ETS (basically memory DB), (2) a single main process that manages and keeps track of the actual vote processes, or (3) ask `supervisor:which_children(Sup)` for the list of your children and query them for any details you need.
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