Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Friday, September 18, 2020< ^ >
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[04:36:57] <Licaon_Kter> flow: ejabberd HEAD?
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[05:52:08] <Holger> flow: Doesn't that simply look like a timing issue?  There's obviously a window between you sending </stream> and the server processing it where the server might still generate traffic.
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[05:59:13] <flow> Licaon_Kter, 20.04
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[06:00:22] <flow> Holger,  i wondered about that too, but note that the server already received an ack for the last stanza send, and it appears like the server is yet still requesting another one, so I'd assume that there is some code in ejabberd that requests a final sm ack prior closing the stream, and this code is not guarded by the condition that the other side already closed the stream unidirectionaly
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[06:01:19] <flow> but it could be very well be that, at the time the server requests the last ack, he hasn't processed the incoming ack
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[06:09:53] <Holger> flow:
> I'd assume that there is some code in ejabberd that requests a final sm ack prior closing the stream
There's no such code. ejabberd requests an ACK for each and every stanza sent to the client, but only if (a) there's an unacknowledged stanza in flight and (b) there's no previous ACK request in flight. No additional logic WRT stream closing.
Your stream dump shows you received a headline and an IQ result immediately before closing the stream, ejabberd probably just requested an ACK for those before processing the </stream>.
[06:10:47] <Holger> I'm obviously not ruling out an ejabberd bug at all. Just saying that I don't see anything unexpected from looking at that stream dump.
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[06:15:30] <flow> Holger, thanks, then this could very well be the case that the <a/> wasn't received/handled by ejabberd at the time it send out the <r/>.
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[06:16:54] <flow> Holger, what made me curious and reach out to you is that the headline and IQ result a are acked together with the stream close
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[06:17:55] <flow> and that we see an <a/> with the same height value send by smack. but again this could very well be because the server did not receive/process the first <a/>
[06:18:05] <flow> at the time he send the last <r/>
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[06:24:49] <Holger> flow: Ah that <a>CK immediately before your "We have closed the stream" comment was sent by you, not received?
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[06:26:26] <Holger> Right, it was. Coffee.
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[06:27:59] <Holger> flow: You send such <a>CKs without a <r>equest? (Possibly because you send a final ACK before closing the stream, which totally makes sense?)
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[06:40:15] <flow> Holger, yes, exactly: https://github.com/igniterealtime/Smack/blob/9e4153435aea1a9ec16d9ce527c1a17337db28c8/smack-tcp/src/main/java/org/jivesoftware/smack/tcp/XMPPTCPConnection.java#L485
[06:41:13] <Holger> Ok 👍 Because otherwise the behavior would have been unexpected. But in that case I'd still guess neither the ACK nor the stream close were processed in time.
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[06:41:52] <flow> Holger, i concur
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[06:42:11] <flow> based on what you have told me, that would be my guess as well
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[08:23:28] <flow> Holger, BTW, is there a timeout for (b)?
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[08:24:19] <flow> Or is the assumption that there must be a returned <a/> for every <r/>?
[08:24:20] <Holger> flow: There's a configurable timeout (default 60s) after which the stream is closed.
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[08:25:28] <Holger> It's expected the client will respond if possible (that's a MUST as per 0198). So if the client doesn't respond, we assume the connection is dead.
[08:25:42] <flow> darn
[08:26:18] <Holger> Not good?
[08:26:53] <Holger> The main motivation is to detect dead conventions in a somewhat timely manner in order to generate push notifications.
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[08:27:08] <flow> dunno, the short version is that smack has a bounded outgoing element queue, and I was just considering to write something like "if (queueFull) { log("could not send SM ack") }"
[08:27:37] <flow> before that the reading thread, receiving the <r/> would try to put into the queue in a blocking manner
[08:27:41] <Holger> > flow: There's a configurable timeout (default 60s) after which the stream is closed.
Nonsense, the stream isn't closed, just the TCP connection. I.e. a 0198 session would be hibernated.
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[08:28:11] <flow> my gut feeling is that this could cause deadlocks in some cases (as it is true with many SM related things)
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[08:28:45] <flow> so I tried to easy way for the client library developer out by just not sending an ack, hoping that the server whould retry
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[08:28:52] <flow> but you are right, it is a MUST in xep198
[08:29:03] <flow> guess I have to think some more abou it
[08:29:04] <Holger> Hrm. Yeah.
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[08:29:31] <Holger> I _think_ Prosody relies on that in similar ways.
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[08:30:00] <flow> pff, server devs, as soon as there is a MUST you start relying on that
[08:30:07] <Holger> 🙂
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[08:30:36] <Holger> We only have very few of those MUSTs!
[08:31:19] <Holger> Generally XMPP is a thing that SHOULD happen. You never know whether it actually WILL happen.
[08:32:03] <Holger> Don't you need to handle the queue limit thing in other ways for normal stanzas anyway?
[08:32:12] <Holger> I mean you can't just drop stanzas, no?
[08:32:53] <flow> well normal stanzas are send by the smack user
[08:33:05] <Holger> Ahh.
[08:33:07] <flow> so I block a user thread here, simply put, it is the usersproblem
[08:33:14] <Holger> I understand.
[08:33:36] <flow> (of course I don't want to cause the user any trouble, after all my goal is to create a user-friendly library)
[08:33:46] <Holger> So I see the problem. I'm sure that helps you 😉
[08:33:56] <flow> and I also pondering a while with adding <a/> to the front of the queue
[08:34:22] <flow> maybe I could combine that
[08:34:44] <Holger> Right, can't you replace existing ACKs?
[08:35:00] <flow> sure i could, but it is more effort
[08:35:06] <flow> not sure if it is worth it
[08:35:11] <flow> I mean after all, acks are small
[08:35:29] <flow> I just have to make sure that I don't push acks to the very front of the outgoing queue
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[08:35:39] <Holger> Sure, I just didn't dare to suggest making the queue large enough for everyone 😂
[08:35:47] <flow> si that the server does not receive a sequence like: <a h='5'/><a h='3'>
[08:36:00] <Holger> And crashing once that fails (I'm an Erlang guy).
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[08:36:18] <flow> nevery fly with an erlang guy, they like to crash
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[08:40:01] <Holger> > Right, can't you replace existing ACKs?
Then again that might already violate the MUST. ejabberd wouldn't care as long as you do come up with an ACK eventually, but you could imagine implementations insisting on one ACK per request.
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[08:40:25] <flow> very true, good point
[08:40:26] <Holger> (I need an Android keyboard that makes it easy to type XML elements.)
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[09:34:22] <focus121> Is it possible to configure a room were for example a bot writes stuff. But all other members can only read (not sending into that muc)?
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[10:06:59] <Holger> Yes. Make participants 'visitors' by default, don’t give those write permission, and add the bot to the members list.
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[10:12:08] <focus121> Holger: Ok, thanks. Will try that soon.
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[13:36:15] <mightyBroccoli> Is it possible to list all banned accounts?
Because if an account is not logged in while the ban occurs the state field in the last table is not updated.
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[13:38:31] <focus121> I wanna send text + image to a muc with a python script. Can anyone recommend some library for that?
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[13:44:21] <Holger> focus121: Slixmpp or aioxmpp.
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[13:44:47] <Holger> mightyBroccoli: Banned?
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[13:46:44] <mightyBroccoli> > mightyBroccoli: Banned?
Yes via the ban_account api command. If the user has a valid session they get kicked and the state field is updated to reference banned and ban reason but it the account isn't connected nothing really changes that would be helpful to filter
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[13:55:15] <Holger> mightyBroccoli: Hah, wasn't aware of that command.  Seems it just kicks the sessions and sets a random password.
[13:55:35] <Holger> mightyBroccoli: So no way to list them (no 'banned' flag).
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[13:56:34] <mightyBroccoli> thats a bummer. It does work if the account is connected while the ban occurs though but thats not really helpful for my case.
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[13:57:59] <mightyBroccoli> I would love some user account flagging though :D
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[13:58:31] <Holger> mightyBroccoli: If you're using the API anyway, maybe call 'set_last' yourself?
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[13:58:56] <focus121> Holger: slixmpp is what i searched. Just conversations shows the link to the image and not the image itself directly. 🤔
[13:59:02] <Holger> Obviously this could be added to the 'ban_account' command, but that will start getting ugly ("if mod_last is enabled do this, else that ...").
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[13:59:48] <Holger> focus121: Ah, then Slix isn't adding an OOB tag with the URL to the stanza (XEP-0066).  Sigh.
[13:59:54] <mightyBroccoli> yes that's why I thought too but compared to the internal calls. But yes I think I will have to do that.
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[14:00:26] <Holger> "but compared to the internal calls"?
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[14:01:45] <Holger> focus121: There's https://github.com/sezuan/uploadr which uses SleekXMPP (should be mostly compatible with Slix, though I'm not _sure_ the upload plugin is the same).  I added OOB support there myself :-)
[14:01:46] <focus121> Holger: ah thx. looks like slix has some plugin for that.
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[14:02:07] <Holger> focus121: https://github.com/sezuan/uploadr/pull/12/files
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[14:02:16] <Holger> Might or might not be helpful.
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[14:02:37] <focus121> Holger: thx. I will take a look
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[15:03:02] <focus121> Holger: this one I'm using
[15:03:20] <focus121> Holger: just a status. Didn't manage so far to add oob
[15:03:31] <focus121> Holger: need to make a break now
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