Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, October 5, 2020< ^ >
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[12:01:22] <PaulePanter> Hi. Scientists really like the Zulip feature to render LaTeX (and Markdown) snippets (https://zulipchat.com/features/). To be able to migrate to XMPP, it’d be great if such a feature existed. Is that a client issues or should the server support that?
[12:01:44] <PaulePanter> It’s probably better to render it on the server, so not all clients need to support that?
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[12:02:59] <PaulePanter> I read that Gajim supports that, but Prosody also ships a plugin (old?) https://modules.prosody.im/mod_latex.html.
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[12:12:55] <Licaon_Kter> PaulePanter: ain't that a client feature since you display it there?
Eg. If my messages are encrypted the server can't intercept anythitg
[12:12:56] <Licaon_Kter> PaulePanter: ain't that a client feature since you display it there?
Eg. If my messages are encrypted the server can't intercept anything
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[12:26:47] <PaulePanter> Licaon_Kter, yes, that is my question. But it’s unrealistic that all the clients are going to support it, so, besides Client to Client encryption, the server should to it.
[12:27:39] <PaulePanter> Licaon_Kter, as far as I can see it’s not supported by the Conversations Android App and other popular clients, so I guess, the server should create an image.
[12:28:54] <Licaon_Kter> Why isn't it supported? Try to find this answer first :)
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[12:45:54] <PaulePanter> What do you mean? It’s not supported, because the feature wasn’t requested and/or nobody had the time to implement it.
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[12:54:22] <Licaon_Kter> PaulePanter: right...so get on it :)
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[15:13:16] <PaulePanter> Licaon_Kter, sorry, not in the mood for such an unhelpful comment.
[15:13:56] <PaulePanter> I am still not the wiser what the recommended approach in the XMPP world would be. I just know, that without that feature, some groups won’t migrate.
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[15:15:52] <Licaon_Kter> PaulePanter:  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[15:25:05] <edhelas> PaulePanter like always, this could be integrated for sure in some XMPP clients, with some funding behind :)
[15:25:17] <edhelas> it's a specific feature for specific use cases and a specific group
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[15:28:39] <PaulePanter> Yes, but I first need to know what the correct way is. I am still not convinced clients are the right way, as there are so many of them.
[15:29:16] <PaulePanter> converse.js, Conversations, Dino, and other operating systems Microsoft Windows, macOS, iOS,
[15:29:21] <edhelas> normally the server shouldn't really care about the content of the messages
[15:30:11] <PaulePanter> Yes, that is in the ideal world. In reality, to get a feature adopted is only possible if all popular clients support it.
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[15:30:47] <edhelas> standards yeah, we know where this goes :)
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[15:31:21] <PaulePanter> (I now understand, why the central solutions seem to strive better.)
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[15:33:04] <edhelas> generating pictures is also not really a smart idea
[15:33:25] <edhelas> clients are now displaying it consistently, somes will display a link, others a scropped one, others a preview
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[15:34:27] <PaulePanter> I know that it’s not optimal. But a more realistic solution than saying all clients should support it. (Which I agree is the ideal solution, but not realistic.)
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[15:35:33] <edhelas> before saying "all clients" maybe you can tell the folks you want to migrate which clients they can move on :)
[15:36:21] <PaulePanter> Which do you recommend?
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[15:39:01] <PaulePanter> The client side also has the problem, that you need to make sure that a LaTeX environment is available and all the packages are there. From a sustainability perspective it’s also unfortunate, that every client would need to compile it itself.
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[20:12:30] <PaulePanter> edhelas, Licaon_Kter: I created https://github.com/conversejs/converse.js/issues/2265, and got a reply. There is https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0393.html.
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[20:26:00] <Holger> > (I now understand, why the central solutions seem to strive better.)
Weren't you the one complaining about unhelpful comments?
[20:26:04] <Holger> 🙂
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[20:26:33] <Holger> Somehow most central solutions strive quite well without that feature.
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[20:29:24] <Holger> I'm all for XMPP implementing even the most corner case features which might convince another small niche of users to migrate, but there's an endless number of those and yes we're plain and simple missing the manpower.
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