Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Friday, October 23, 2020< ^ >
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[07:49:35] <karme> what are these .DAT files?
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[07:52:20] <karme> especially the roster.DAT?
[07:52:52] <Holger> Mnesia's storage.
[07:53:14] <Holger> roster.DAT should only exist if you're not using SQL.
[07:55:44] <karme> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnesia
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[07:58:15] <karme> are there any tools to work with such databases / to dump them?
[08:00:20] <karme> basically i want to understand the privacy implimcations of the roster / of hosting a jabber server
[08:00:50] <karme> is there a rosterless jabber client?
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[08:07:54] <karme> ejabberdctl dump semms to produce a complete db dump - but not only a single table (i guess roster.DAT is one table?)
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[08:10:41] <Holger> > is there a rosterless jabber client?
At least no modern one. But you can obviously manually make sure not to have anyone in your roster. Does go a bit against the design of things though. If you really want to minimize metadata on your own server XMPP might not be the right choice.
[08:11:01] <Holger> karme: TBH you want to use SQL anyway.
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[08:11:51] <karme> can i still switch to sql?
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[08:12:11] <Holger> But yes, `roster` is one table, and ejabberd doesn't come with a command to dump just that. (You'd have to fiddle manually in an `ejabberdctl debug` shell.)
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[08:13:52] <karme> in my dump the roster tuples are listed at the end and one can imagine the meaning
[08:14:01] <Holger> > can i still switch to sql?
Yes, you'd configure MariaDB/PostgreSQL and then run an `ejabberdctl` command to export the Mnesia data into an SQL dump.
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[08:15:28] <Holger> https://docs.ejabberd.im/tutorials/mysql/
(PostgreSQL setup is similar.)
[08:15:49] <karme> i would prefer postgresql, too
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[08:16:20] <Holger> Yeah both work equally fine with ejabberd.
[08:16:55] <karme> i will stay with mnesia for now, but thanks for the tip!
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[08:18:15] <Holger> The problem with Mnesia is that it's not designed for persistent storage of non-trivial amounts of data.
[08:18:33] <Holger> E.g. the MAM table has a hard-limit of 2G.  If you hit it, it falls apart.
[08:19:04] <Holger> And the PubSub tables can manage to fall apart at random points in time 😂️
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[08:20:01] <karme> it is only a really small setup for friends and family
[08:20:35] <Holger> I'd recommend SQL nevertheless 🙂 At least SQLite.
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[08:21:46] <karme> maybe i should forward this recommendation to the freedombox ml
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[08:22:06] <Holger> 👍️
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[08:23:31] <Holger> Back when Mnesia was made the default, it was way less common for XMPP to store non-trivial amounts of data.  It's still default today because it (1) requires no setup and (2) we have code for auto-applying schema changes.  (1) is true for SQLite as well, (2) not so far.
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[08:40:57] <ij> well, at least the Debian packages could ask which database should be used and configured, though…
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[09:12:32] <karme> looks like freedombox tries to disable the mam usage
[09:13:44] <karme> s.a. https://karme.de/jabber/config
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[10:14:42] <Holger> Well that will break things at least for multi-device usage.
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