Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Friday, November 27, 2020< ^ >
zinid has set the subject to: ejabberd discussions: https://docs.ejabberd.im
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[09:53:23] <qnix> why is  c2s tls not recommended according to ejabberd docs. isn't it more secure than starttls ? or it provides similar guarantees if starttls is set to required ?
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[10:00:28] <Holger> Long story; sounds like outdated docs (where did you read that)?
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[10:11:23] <qnix> https://www.process-one.net/blog/securing-ejabberd-with-tls-encryption/
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[10:14:00] <qnix> even this https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/guide/security/ says (5223 ... using the old SSL method).
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[10:19:04] <Holger> Yeah, that's one reason I dislike blog articles / tutorials describing configurations.  They're outdated sooner or later but people keep finding them in Google and following them.
[10:19:56] <Holger> And yes https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/guide/security/ should maybe be updated.  Though I'm not sure in what way exactly.  It's complicated.
[10:20:31] <Holger> 5223 is indeed the port that was used by convention for TLS-on-connect back in the old days.
[10:21:07] <Holger> Today we have XEP-0368 which makes TLS-on-connect great again by adding proper DNS support and suggesting port 443 for firewall circumvention.
[10:22:09] <Holger> However, offering 443 often requires more effort.  Whether and what effort exactly totally depends on your environment.
[10:22:28] <Holger> Now how to stuff all that into straightforward docs ...
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[10:42:35] <qnix> Thank you I'll read more about it
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[11:29:28] <mfoss> We have a new open source release: Jamler, an experimental XMPP server created by Alexey Shchepin, written in OCaml and based on ejabberd 2.1.8 https://www.process-one.net/blog/jamler-xmpp-server-an-ocaml-experiment-based-on-ejabberd-2-1-8/
[11:30:16] <Holger> Hah cool.
[11:30:21] <Holger> zinid mentioned it ages ago.
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[11:31:18] <Holger> But I've never seen the code.
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[12:30:13] <mfoss> Now you can see it in the open :)
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[12:39:38] <Martin Kollaard> Hello, her I am again, live from my own server. because hosted.im did shutdown my old one :P
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[12:46:24] <Martin> Also need to check how I can get lets encrypt certificates work on ejabberd. What domain is xmpp using for that? Because my domain is not pointed to the xmpp server, only the  xmpp records.
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[12:50:15] <Licaon_Kter> Martin: you set it up in host? That one :)
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[12:50:50] <Licaon_Kter> > We have a new open source release: Jamler, an experimental XMPP server created by Alexey Shchepin, written in OCaml and based on ejabberd 2.1.8 https://www.process-one.net/blog/jamler-xmpp-server-an-ocaml-experiment-based-on-ejabberd-2-1-8/
Neustradamus_: ^^^ do your ~worst~best! :)
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[12:51:39] <Martin> Ok, but that that host has no a record to xmpp server. So a lets encrypt via acne module in ejabberd wil not work I think?
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[12:52:56] <badlop> (5223 ... using the old SSL method) <-- well, a documentation page... documents stuff! What should it do, hide it? XD I guess the attribute of being "old" is unspecific, and it should say "old and deprecated, better use STARTTLS intead", right?
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[12:57:26] <Martin> Hmm I did not open 5223
[12:57:34] <Martin> I think you can hide it :)
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[13:02:04] <Licaon_Kter> Martin: you have `nick@name.tld` right?
[13:02:13] <Martin> yes
[13:02:14] <Licaon_Kter> Certs for name.tld then..e
[13:02:21] <Licaon_Kter> Certs for name.tld then.
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[13:02:47] <Martin> Yes, but that is not possible via the build in acne I guess? Because name.tld is not pointed to xmpp server
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[13:04:03] <Martin> I’ve only pointed xmpp.name.tld to server
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[13:15:01] <Licaon_Kter> Mmm, why complicate things like that?
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[13:49:08] <Martin> So I can use the domain for other things too :P
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[13:52:07] <Licaon_Kter> And what's blocking you exactly?
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[13:55:03] <Holger> badlop: I think the problem is that TLS-on-connect is back to being the hype mechanism (cf. XEP-0368).  IT hypes come, go, and come back in waves.
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[13:56:59] <Holger> Initially Jabber did unencrypted on 5222, then the cool kids did TLS on 5223, then the even cooler kids did STARTTLS on 5222, today they do TLS on 443.  Go figure what's "old".
[13:57:53] <Martin> @Licaon_Kter  that the A record of name.tld is not pointing to the xmpp server.
[13:58:04] <Martin> I see that error also in ejabberd log: Failed to request certificate for kollaard.eu, proxy.kollaard.eu and 3 more hosts: Challenge failed for domain conference.kollaard.eu: ACME server reported: DNS problem: NXDOMAIN looking up A for conference.kollaard.eu - check that a DNS record exists for this domain (error type: dns)
[13:58:30] <Holger> Martin: You could use DNS challenges with Let's Encrypt.
[13:58:47] <Holger> Or transfer the certificates over from the A host, obviously.
[13:58:48] <Martin> True, but ejabberd does not support that I guess?
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[13:59:01] <Martin> So I need to do that manual
[13:59:09] <Holger> Martin: Not the built-in ACME code, no.
[13:59:19] <Holger> Yes you need another ACME client.
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[14:02:06] <Martin> Ok :)
[14:02:42] <Martin> Will check do that later, first need to fix some things in our production xmpp server :P
[14:03:12] <Martin> Want to have metrics for prometheus, did found some modules on GitHub for that
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[17:51:16] <mightyBroccoli> Martin: https://dev.sum7.eu/sum7/ejabberd-tools
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[17:51:57] <nuron> > mightyBroccoli wrote:
> Martin: https://dev.sum7.eu/sum7/ejabberd-tools
That's working very well😎
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[17:56:54] <Martin> Hmm I think this gives better output than the module I did find I see this also show online users per vhost etc
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[17:58:31] <nuron> https://shreddox.eu:5443/upload/9dbc5073608c2694cd6293fc73286189dceaa679/ICzMQIrcUbNrkkxudG9kSt0S2zflgfracMFp0kli/20201127_185829313_d2e6.jpg
[17:58:33] <mightyBroccoli> It will show every value the api is capable of outputting.
[17:58:49] <nuron> Martin: a sample dashboard in grafana
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[18:01:07] <Martin> I’ve a 3 node cluster running in kubernetes, do I need to run it per node? Or is a single with this tool ok?
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[18:05:07] <mightyBroccoli> I actually am not sure if the api gathers all statistics from other nodes in the cluster.
Worst case would be that you have to run 3 exporters and a single Prometheus server.
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[18:06:42] <Martin> True, need to test chat :0
[18:06:45] <Martin> :)
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[18:10:53] <Martin> for node in self.get_nodes():
             nodes[node] = self.get_node_metrics(node)
Looks like it walks tru nodes so I think a single exporter is enough
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[18:12:33] <Martin> Sadly no docker container yet :P
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[18:14:39] <mightyBroccoli> actually you are right :D I completely forgot about that api feature :D
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[18:44:55] <Martin> Ok, will remove the metrics module from ejabberd and going to use that one, will build a docker image on Monday for that :)
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[22:15:47] <stefan_> just found this in the log:
[22:15:49] <stefan_> @ejabberd_stun:prepare_turn_opts:133 You have several virtual hosts configured, but option 'auth_realm' is undefined and 'auth_type' is set to 'user', so the TURN relay might not be working proper
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[22:16:13] <stefan_> I try to find the solution in the docs.. help is welcome anyway.
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[22:18:39] <stefan_> can this prevent a/v calls from working?
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[22:31:45] <Licaon_Kter> stefan_: so they work or not?
[22:32:13] <stefan_> don't work. but i don't know if that is the reason.
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[22:32:26] <stefan_> just changed it, still doesn't work
[22:33:02] <stefan_> Relayed 0 KiB (in 0 B / 0 packets, out 0 B / 0 packets)
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[22:45:00] <Licaon_Kter> stefan_: ok, but any other lines in the log?
[22:48:23] <stefan_> 4 lines..
[22:48:25] <stefan_> >@mod_stun_disco:handle_call:331 Offering STUN/TURN services to user1@server-xmpp.de/Conversations.9HcZ (eaf9db74f62fa10f)
2020-11-27 23:06:53.047 [info] <0.502.0>@mod_stun_disco:handle_call:331 Offering STUN/TURN services to user2@server-xmpp.de/Conversations.ryJg (e4bf4ca5f62fa10f)
2020-11-27 23:06:53.504 [info] <0.789.0> Creating TURN allocation (lifetime: 599 seconds) [UDP, session 282, user 1606558013:e4bf4ca5f62fa10f, client 80.187.100.64:17726, relay 84.135.aaa.bb:60234]
2020-11-27 23:07:08.479 [info] <0.789.0> Relayed 0 KiB (in 0 B / 0 packets, out 0 B / 0 packets) [UDP, session 282, user 1606558013:e4bf4ca5f62fa10f, client 80.187.100.64:17726, relay 84.135.aaa.bb:60234]
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[22:49:35] <stefan_> its working from within a wlan.  i think even if only one device is in wlan, it works. but not when both are outside.
[22:50:19] <Licaon_Kter> Right
[22:51:05] <Licaon_Kter> Did you forward all the needed ports, 3478 5349 49xxx-65xxx and so?
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[22:52:41] <stefan_> yes.
[22:52:52] <stefan_> i didn't setup turns/stuns.
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[22:53:49] <stefan_> I also did the dns entries. but it seems that this is not so important?
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[22:55:34] <stefan_> I don't have this:
TURNS over TLS on port 443 (requires extra IP on the server)
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[22:56:42] <Licaon_Kter> Not important
[22:56:47] <Licaon_Kter> Both udp and tcp?
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[22:57:12] <stefan_> yes. didn't have tcp at first, but added it now.
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[22:58:36] <stefan_> problem with nat / cg nat of mobile carriers? that was a guess this morning from inputmice..
[22:59:04] <stefan_> and holger too, if i remember correctly.
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[23:00:53] <stefan_> ah.. and i don't have ipv6 right now.
[23:00:56] <Licaon_Kter> stefan_: that's always a posibility yes, as said, try to test different networks, and watch the log
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[23:06:18] <stefan_> nothing else I can do to make that work?
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[23:13:07] <Licaon_Kter> Hard to say...
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[23:31:37] <stefan_> I know that e.g. threema a/v calls work in every situation. I don't think that my setup and situation is the best one can have (pi, dyndns..), and i don't know if my setup is ok or if a am missing something. but if it is possible to make it work, i would like to have it .. (a/v calls)...
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[23:39:06] <Licaon_Kter> Works fine on pi/staticip here :)
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