Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, December 3, 2020< ^ >
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[01:27:52] <Mike> Alacer: I appreciate your response to my question about mqtt and xmpp interaction.  My question stems from this sentence in the article, "Next time, we will try to send MQTT messages based on XMPP events."
I was hoping to hear that there was some magic that would allow me to automate some of the interaction.  
But I may yet migrate to ejabberd for mqtt.  Vernemq is providing to be a bit much.
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[01:56:21] <Alacer> Mike: You may be able to use NodeRed for same. Use it as what events you arw rederring to in terms of XMPP, Presence/IQ/Messege Stanzas...
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[02:22:28] <mike> Wondered why I got pinged on that reply. If nicks are case-sensitive, maybe notificiation triggers should be too, heh. 😀
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[02:39:19] <Alacer> mike: Well :D, I had to actually do something where Device on MQTT then sends notifications through XMPP. Why I mentioned NodeRED as currently as of 20.07 I have not seen any MQTT <-->XMPP interaction where you are correct but thought if you also in similar situation...
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[02:40:25] <Alacer> But Ejabberd is a Broker/Server not an Tranaform Service???
[02:41:21] <Alacer> So yes..now I am also curious on that line!!!
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[12:22:53] <Martin> Would be nice if there was a connection between Mqtt and xmpp :)
[12:23:34] <Martin> Like connecting a xmpp pubsub to Mqtt? Or is there a big difference how it works?
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[12:35:51] <Alacer> Martin: MQTT and XMPP are two diff protocols...with diff Semantics...
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[12:36:34] <Martin> But is the data in message about the same?
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[12:39:57] <Martin> Because mqtt Is also pubsub right? or is that not that easy as a xmpp pubsub?
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[12:45:04] <prefiks> i think it's simplier than xmpp pubsub
[12:45:14] <Alacer> Martin: Could and Couldn't be.. MQTT was basically Developed by two IBM engineers for SCADA comms. as for SCADA we have vSAT or Low Bandwidth Radio Links.. it is a Binary Protocol and can use TCP comms.. TLS support is new... Whereas XMPP is a well Defined protocols and orginally Developed for IM Purpose in 90's.. Alternate to IRC.. so the message format, Presence, IQs are well defined... Which makes it useable for certain IoT Cases hence XMPP-IoT is there... but MQTT carries just searilized Binay Data (JSOn cab be used these days) where as XMPP is XML.. MQTT in IoT is well known and is used since no message Semantics/Standard the Sensor OEMs use it for Updates Basically. Or its use is in Push as it support Long Interval TCP Comms but A server that Makes XMPP Talk to MQTT will have to do transformation which ejabberd does not do or made to do.. Similarly ejabberd suppprt SIP as well... besides MQTT and XMPP..
[12:46:57] <Martin> Oh mqtt is binary data? Because I think with xmpp pubsub it is just a string
[12:48:03] <Martin> But it is both subscribing on a topic an publish to that topic. https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html
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[12:54:26] <Martin> But then a when message is received on a mqtt it should be deserialised and send over xml to subscribed clients. And the other way around, I can’t think of a use case right now :P
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[13:06:51] <Holger> Martin: Both offer PubSub, yes.  MQTT is cheaper and therefore an alternative for really small devices.  This is partly because it's more low-level, i.e. you might need to build more protocol around it for this such as authentication/authorization, error handling and so on.
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[13:20:54] <Alacer> Martin: I will just add here that PubSub for XMPP is not a must but for MQTT it becomes mandatory as on the broker sides it is handled as Queues so be it 1:1 or 1:Many Topic (Queue Names) defines the distribution... If I remeber in Late 90 &Early 2000s we always looked at it like SNMP-TRAPS for SCADA Updates to a central site as Polling or Long Established Connection over low Bandwidth Radio Links is usually cause of.delays or timeouts Sync/A-Sync thing.. So it was good to have Valve Positions/Flow Rates delivere to central station / On shore Control Room over these links.. Also Commands could be send to RTUs which was a great PLUS... Now we have APNS push issues.. :D
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[14:14:15] <Licaon_Kter> Neustradamus_: what have you done?
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/0371b0f66471c9d340e7a9d8ad96cbfc0def66ed
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[14:31:09] <Martin> @Alacer ah yes I understand, xmpp pubsub is not a queue. :D
[14:31:19] <Martin> APNS issues? You now only use apple devices?
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[14:33:03] <Alacer> Martin: Nope, well Apple is with my wife ans thanks to Apple Unable to have XMPP work in family the way probably we all want it to work...
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[14:37:27] <Martin> Hehe ok, but why APNS issues then?
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[14:53:20] <Alacer> Martin: Well Siskin + Monal Push Issue which are Majorly due to Apple Policies... P2 Push works prettry well with FCM .. well as of Today... I don't know what route Googoe Takes ...
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[15:01:06] <Martin> Me neither, wasn’t that xmpp in the past?
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[15:03:39] <Martin> Oh Firebase did use xmpp
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[15:07:38] <Alacer> Martin: Well Nope, GCM May be, Noe It is WebSockets but Google's Push Policies and How Developers get exposed to API are much Developer Friendly compared to  Apples...
[15:07:51] <Alacer> I think we can take this to OffTopic MUC
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[16:15:21] <Mike> My use case is that if a particular message comes in via mqtt, I want to receive a message via jabber.  Think "network event monitoring."  I could use more red, but I already have a perl codebase to leverage.
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[17:22:59] <Alacer> Mike: Well It means that 1. You have to read the MQTT message Payload, the package the contents in an XMPP message sent to receiver ID through a JID... well some lines of code.... Well if MQTT payload is in JSON format.. You have to Parse it and the create your XMPP message... But as a Broker /XMPP server eJabberd can be used... but the rest has to be managed in your perl code...
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[18:29:41] <Holger> Hah, perfect solution to the SCRAM-SHA-9999 mess. Just support it with plaintext password storage only 🙂
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[20:22:36] <j.r> I just build latest master and now I'm getting the following error when the matterbridge I'm running tries to connect:
```
2020-12-03 21:19:35.157 [error] <0.25120.0>@scram:salted_password Supervisor ejabberd_c2s_sup had child undefined started with {ejabberd_c2s,start_link,undefined} at <0.25369.0> exit with reason call to undefined function scram:salted_password(<<"superSecretPassword">>, <<[some numbers, seem like they are the salt so I removed them]>>, 4096) in context child_terminated
```
Is this error known? Or what should I do?
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[20:27:38] <j.r> Maybe related to the stuff done in `0371b0f66471c9d340e7a9d8ad96cbfc0def66ed` ?
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[20:29:13] <badlop> right, you may want to revert that commit until it's fixed
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[20:31:52] <j.r> Okay will try
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[20:40:05] <j.r> Okay works
[20:40:09] <j.r> Thanks badlop
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[20:44:59] <badlop> bug tracked in https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/3436
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[21:24:52] <Mike> Alacer, yup.  That's what I'm planning on doing.  But being able to do it on the mqtt server would have been really cool.
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[22:37:03] <Neustradamus_> Badlop: I have sent few hours ago, some comment to prefiks.
We will see tomorrow
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