Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, January 4, 2021< ^ >
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[09:40:51] <Martin> I don’t have one, don’t need it :P
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[09:53:06] <meeson> does ejabberd support xep-0340 alias colibri?
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[10:19:10] <Holger> meeson: No. The Jitsi Videobridge is based on it (old versions of it probably implement it quite verbatim).
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[10:25:33] <ThUnD3|rGr33n> Holger: why u r not reachable again for Menon one2one chat?
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[10:25:50] <Holger> Your server isn't reachable.
[10:26:00] <ThUnD3|rGr33n> Bullshit 🙄😂
[10:26:06] <ThUnD3|rGr33n> I am here 😊😊
[10:26:14] <ThUnD3|rGr33n> It's only u
[10:27:06] <ThUnD3|rGr33n> Holger: thanks
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[10:27:10] <ThUnD3|rGr33n> 😂🎉🎊🤞🥳
[10:27:18] <ThUnD3|rGr33n> Happy new year 🎊🎊
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[10:35:05] <meeson> > meeson: No. The Jitsi Videobridge is based on it
I see, thanks.
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[16:20:00] <Neustradamus_> Little question: For each reaction on a comment/publication, GitHub sends an email?
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[16:20:48] <prefiks> i don't think so
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[16:20:58] <prefiks> at least i don't think i see notificaiton for those
[16:21:04] <prefiks> only for new comments
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[16:22:46] <Neustradamus_> prefiks: Thanks for your reply :)
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[16:29:53] <Licaon_Kter> Neustradamus_: please switch to reactions...pleeeeease
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[16:32:07] <Holger> I guess he won't specifically because he  *wants* that email spam to be generated?
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[16:41:47] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: funny not that his/her email notifications are disabled iirc
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[16:52:55] <Neustradamus_> In my settings https://github.com/settings/notifications, to reduce quantity of emails, I have only:
- Participating | Notifications for the conversations you are participating in, or if someone cites you with an @mention
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[16:55:02] <Holger> For some projects, such as ejabberd, I do want to receive emails for all comments.
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[16:55:29] <Holger> Which is what makes "Any news on this?" comments so annoying.
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[16:58:31] <raucao> to be fair, the "any news on this" is usually when something seems to have been abandoned
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[16:58:52] <Holger> No.
[16:58:55] <raucao> in which case it makes sense to me to add a triage comment stating the current status of an issue
[16:59:01] <Holger> No.
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[16:59:19] <Holger> Dunno how to express how strongly I disagree with this.
[16:59:29] <Holger> It. Makes. No. Sense. At. All.
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[16:59:38] <raucao> so you think when it's not obvious what the state of an issue is, and someone asks, it's unreasonable to clarify the state of an issue? how does that help anyone?
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[17:02:26] <Holger> My crystal ball thinks the number of "any news?" comments Neustradamus_ issued across projects will easily exceed 1,000.  And the number of cases where this speeded up the issue being resolved is 0.
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[17:03:14] <Holger> Okay maybe not 0 but, say, 10, where 8 were closed and 2 cases where Neustradamus_ indeed successfully talked devs into doing what he wants just to make him shut up.
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[17:03:51] <Holger> But then there's at least 10 other cases where going on the devs nerves slowed down resolving the issue.  So net gain is 0.
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[17:04:16] <Holger> And numbers generated by my crystal ball are always correct.
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[17:05:08] <raucao> > And the number of cases where this speeded up the issue being resolved is 0
you're wrongfully claiming that people ask to "speed up the issue being resolved"
[17:05:18] <raucao> so there's the first flaw with your argument
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[17:05:57] <Holger> raucao: Neustradamus_ is asking exactly that.  I'd be surprised if he disagrees.  If he does he's lying :-)
[17:06:02] <raucao> > where going on the devs nerves
now you're claiming clarifying issue state is "going on the dev's nerves", also based on the flawed assunmption
[17:06:22] <raucao> and based purely on your own mood and opinions, based on your own assumptions
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[17:06:55] <raucao> that's fine, but you should be aware of the subjectivity
[17:07:39] <Holger> Right.  I'm mostly just saying that _I_ am annoyed.  It's just that I've seen tons of devs being annoyed in the exact same way, telling him over and over again that his comments don't help them, and him ignoring this feedback entirely.
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[17:08:07] <Holger> I've yet to see a dev giving positive feedback to "any news?" comments.
[17:08:11] <raucao> that's something else entirely of course
[17:08:14] <Holger> But other than that you're right.
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[17:09:17] <Holger> Also this isn't just about "devs".  As a user I'm just as annoyed by such notifications.
[17:09:27] <raucao> i regularly give status updates to people when they ask this on low-activity projects i'm involved in
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[17:09:48] <raucao> and i'm happy that they're interested
[17:10:04] <Holger> And it's not just about notifications.  It also makes it harder to read up on discussions on issues.
[17:10:06] <raucao> but yeah, if anyone spams or harrasses or asks multiple times, they're out :)
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[17:10:52] <Licaon_Kter> +1 on what Holger said, fyi raucao  :(
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[17:12:41] <Holger> raucao: Out of curiosity how do the status updates you give usually look like?  If there actually _is_ news, wouldn't you post that on the issue without someone asking?
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[17:13:30] <raucao> yes, of course. but sometimes, especially on old, long-running issues, there can be a lot of undocumented debugging and experimenting
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[17:13:45] <Holger> I would've thought the simple fact that the state of an issue is still 'Open' and no new comments/commits are referenced clealy answers the 'any news?' question: 'no'.
[17:13:51] <raucao> but it's usually more about priority
[17:14:14] <raucao> because you oftentimes cannot see if anyone is working on an issue or plans to work on it ever again
[17:14:23] <raucao> especially on public FOSS repos
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[17:14:33] <raucao> but pretty much any repo, incl. private ones, tbh
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[17:15:26] <raucao> so the clarification could also just be to give a pointer about how the person asking could help/contribute
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[17:17:00] <Holger> Sounds nice but in practice, the person asking in such a way is interested in the bugfix/feature, which usually requires code, which he usually can't contribute himself.
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[17:17:53] <raucao> depends very much on the project, people, complexity of the issue, et .
[17:17:55] <raucao> etc.
[17:18:03] <raucao> so yeah, maybe on your repos it's harder
[17:18:17] <raucao> but that can also be a result of not having enough pointers for new contributors. just potentially
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[17:18:20] <raucao> not saying it is the case
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[17:19:06] <raucao> just saying, people being interested is generally something that's good in my opinion, and teaching them how to better ask and/or contribute might be more effective than getting angry about them
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[17:19:29] <raucao> anyway, just my opinion. didn't want to start a big discussion. sry :)
[17:19:33] <raucao> very OT
[17:19:59] <Holger> If you see any chance teaching Neustradamus_ anything please go ahead! :-)
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[17:20:34] <raucao> sry, i was speaking generally
[17:20:39] <raucao> don't know what happened
[17:20:43] <Holger> I wasn't really.
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[17:20:58] <Holger> And I totally agree it's a good idea to make things as easy as possible for potential contributors.
[17:21:26] <Holger> (Which reminds me marc is waiting for *ages* for me to review stuff ...)
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[17:21:43] <raucao> :)
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[17:22:44] <marc> :D
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[17:45:37] <Licaon_Kter> Holger:
> (Which reminds me marc is waiting for *ages* for me to review stuff ...)
So it's your fault??!?/??
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[17:46:34] <Holger> Sure.
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[20:29:24] <Alacer> Guys Need some Advice here. I have Debian Buster on a VPS which I use for ejabberd. I have installed ejabberd through current Master git Repo as well as debian buster backports. Below is the common error. For Git Repo it is thrown during compile. For Deb Package from Distro I get is as part of crash log when starting ejabberd.
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[20:29:27] <Alacer> =CRASH REPORT==== 4-Jan-2021::21:25:48.826453 ===
  crasher:
    initial call: application_master:init/4
    pid: <0.81.0>
    registered_name: []
    exception exit: {{shutdown,
                         {failed_to_start_child,'Elixir.Logger.ErrorHandler',
                             noproc}},
                     {'Elixir.Logger.App',start,[normal,[]]}}
      in function  application_master:init/4 (application_master.erl, line 138)
    ancestors: [<0.80.0>]
    message_queue_len: 1
    messages: [{'EXIT',<0.82.0>,normal}]
    links: [<0.80.0>,<0.43.0>]
    dictionary: []
    trap_exit: true
    status: running
    heap_size: 376
    stack_size: 27
    reductions: 193
  neighbours:
[20:30:00] <Licaon_Kter> Alacer: which erlang version?
[20:30:10] <Licaon_Kter> During compile, normal or via rebar3?
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[20:32:17] <Alacer> Erlang/OTP 21 [erts-10.2.4] [source] [64-bit] [smp:4:4] [ds:4:4:10] [async-threads:1]
Eshell V10.2.4  (abort with ^G)
[20:32:24] <Alacer> compiled normal not rebar3
[20:32:44] <Alacer> erlang is standard install through debian back ports.
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[21:29:38] <Alacer> So when the Tagged 12.12 version (Zip) is used on Debian Buster then with OTP21 and rebar it compiles with warning and runs as well but from Master Branch getting above mentioned error...
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