Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Wednesday, January 27, 2021< ^ >
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[08:50:34] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: So  https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/5786
is fixed by https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/commit/01c55bdb156e04a23a874a058e8463f7cedadac2 ?
Just asking because last time I read something resembling this I was wrong 🙂
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[08:53:51] <Holger> The problem is their *client* needs to support this too.  That's not in this commit but maybe in another one?
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[08:59:34] <Licaon_Kter> Aint' jitsi-meet their web client?
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[09:05:08] <Licaon_Kter> I do need to fix whatever these entail first
https://github.com/jitsi/jicofo/issues/680
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[11:12:45] <Licaon_Kter> prefiks:
```
...
Already up to date.
rm -rf _build/default/lib/.got
rm -rf _build/default/lib/.built
/usr/lib/erlang/bin/escript /home/pi/rebar3/rebar3 upgrade && :> _build/default/lib/.got
===> Analyzing applications...
===> Compiling configure_deps
===> Verifying dependencies...
===> Package not found in any repo: cache_tab 1.0.27
make: *** [Makefile:140: update] Error 1
```
Umm?
[11:13:44] <prefiks> hm, maybe it tries to fetch from hex? it's not published yet
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[11:14:03] <prefiks> that tag is definitelly in git
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[11:21:58] <Licaon_Kter> I know, yet...rebar3 says that
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[11:23:00] <Holger> > Aint' jitsi-meet their web client?
Yes, but look at the actual commit, it just touches their bundled Prosody setup.
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[11:23:41] <Holger> But maybe the client-side support is in that -lib repo.
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[11:37:53] <prefiks> Licaon_Kter: i think rebar3 tries to hex for deps
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[11:39:21] <prefiks> there is code that converts git to hex for rebar3 in rebar.config.script
[11:39:25] <Licaon_Kter> prefiks: i guess, tried on a non-rebar3 machine and built fine
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[12:09:42] <Holger> Not sure why though?  Rebar3 does support Git ...
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[12:12:26] <nosnilmot> Add the dep to gitonly_deps in rebar.config if you want rebar3 to pull a dependency from git instead of hex
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[12:14:22] <prefiks> it was to make it use hex, i don't exactly remember why it was done
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[12:36:06] <Robin> Why does gajim not support scram-SHA-526?
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[12:38:02] <vanitasvitae> Robin, you mean SHA-256?
[12:39:08] <prefiks> 512?
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[12:44:00] <Robin> 512 my bad
[12:44:07] <Robin> Just woke up haha
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[12:44:29] <Robin> I removed all other SASL mechanisms, so that the only one to use is scram-SHA-512 but now gajim isn't connecting anymore. Conversations is working fine tho
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[12:51:23] <Holger> Ask Neustradamus.
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[12:51:38] <Holger> > I removed all other SASL mechanisms
Why?
[12:53:16] <Robin> Plain is obviously not secure, and i heard digest-md5 isn't secure either
[12:55:57] <Holger> Not obvious to me if we're talking about TLS-encrypted connections.  But I wasn't asking why you disable PLAN but rather why you insist on SHA-512.
[12:55:59] <Licaon_Kter> Robin: continue about the others...
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[13:01:21] <4223> https://gitlab.com/nicocool84/spectrum2_signald/
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[13:27:14] <Robin> > Not obvious to me if we're talking about TLS-encrypted connections.  But I wasn't asking why you disable PLAN but rather why you insist on SHA-512.
Because it is the most secure out of the others sasl mechanisms
[13:27:40] <Licaon_Kter> Robin: mostest
[13:27:43] <Holger> If you say so it must be true.
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[13:28:36] <Holger> Anyway if you tell ejabberd that SHA-256 over TLS is so insecure that you'd rather not communicate at all than to take the risk, you'll obviously have to live with the fact that ejabberd does what you tell it to do 🙂
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[13:29:01] <Holger> I think most clients don't support 512 yet, but yes Conversations does (since very recently).
[13:30:14] <Holger> In general, MOAH BITS MOAH BETTA is not how securing Internet systems works.
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[13:34:08] <Holger> One random more effective action to harden a system running ejabberd is avoiding `sudo` (in favor of, e.g., `su`), if you ask me 😉
[13:36:01] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: why?
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[13:36:25] <Robin> Okay thank you for explaining. Which sasl mechanisms would you recommend to disable tho? Currently I've disabled digest-md5, X-OAUTH2 and plain.
[13:36:54] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, CVE-2021-3156 - gives root to everyone 🙂
[13:37:22] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: just posted that in Ops earlier, I thought you meant something else
[13:38:31] <Holger> Sorry, I've always been skeptical of sudo's complexity, nobody ever listens, so this is my chance to ride around on it 😉
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[13:39:15] <Holger> Plus generally me being a bit annoyed of the way 'security' is handled by today's youth.
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[13:42:01] <Holger> Robin, personally I would disable X-OAUTH2 (until you have a client that supports it) and that's it.  But if you insist on enforcing a SASL mechanism that offers some additional 'security' characteristics without loosing compat with too many clients, I'd suggest SHA-1 and esp. SHA-1-PLUS.  (Forbidding the non-PLUS variant might be nice in theory but I'm not sure how many clients do PLUS.)
[13:44:12] <Holger> Robin, don't get me wrong, I'm all for clients insisting on strong SASL mechanisms.  I just don't see the necessity for the server to refuse clients which don't implement those yet.  We're talking about TLS-encrypted connections.
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[13:44:42] <Robin> Yeah you are right
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[13:44:58] <Robin> It is kind of nonsense to do
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[13:46:26] <Robin> Thank you for your help and explanations, I really appreciate it. This has been a great project for my small high school vacation. Now some people of family and friends are switched over from whatsapp to xmpp!
[13:46:40] <Holger> 👍️
[13:46:43] <Robin> It has been a really great learning experiencr
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[14:01:19] <Neustradamus_> Robin: https://github.com/scram-xmpp/info/issues/1
[14:01:37] <Neustradamus_> Please see with XMPP client to add the feature
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[14:07:08] <Neustradamus_> SCRAM-SHA3-512 is supported by: KDE Kaidan
SCRAM-SHA-512 is supported by: KDE Kaidan, CoyIM, Tigase Stork IM / Tigase Android Messenger, Psi/Psi+ with QCA, Vacuum IM, eyeCU, Miranda NG.
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[14:07:46] <Holger> And Conversations, now 🙂
[14:08:15] <Neustradamus_> Yes, I have forgotten to add.
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[14:20:30] <Holger> Licaon_Kter,
> maybe the client-side support is in that -lib repo.
It is indeed, yay.
[14:21:22] <Holger> https://github.com/jitsi/lib-jitsi-meet/commit/831716c1
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[14:41:18] <Licaon_Kter> And this just works or do I need to setup something? I didn't peruse their prosody setup yet
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[14:42:26] <Holger> I would think once the new lib-jitsi-meet code is used, it'll "just work".
[14:42:48] <Holger> Well TURN and/or 0215 must be enabled somewhere in the config IIRC.  Or was it enabled by default?  Forgot.
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[14:43:30] <Holger> Is your TURN server listening on 443 with TLS?
[14:43:48] <Holger> Because I'd think otherwise Meet's TURN support is pretty much useless 😂️
[14:44:38] <Holger> (I.e. it's just for circumventing restrictive firewalls.  Well, and that p2p mode which I disable anyway.)
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[14:45:35] <Holger> Anyway glad I didn't add extdisco:1 support to ejabberd 🙂
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[14:51:41] <Licaon_Kter> > I would think once the new lib-jitsi-meet code is used, it'll "just work".
Already deployed jitsi-meet and jitsi-videobridge HEAD(s), jicofo is still older
So I should be setup...will see if I can lookup info
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[14:55:11] <Holger> Not sure jitsi-meet HEAD already includes that lib code.
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[14:58:18] <Licaon_Kter> That's what I read
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[15:03:56] <Licaon_Kter> https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/01c55bdb156e04a23a874a058e8463f7cedadac2/package.json   8317...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[15:10:52] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: ejabberd.log offering stun turn yay works
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[15:11:26] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: ejabberd.log offering stun turn yay works, a part of it
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[15:15:09] <Holger> Cool. L
[15:15:16] <Holger> Cool.
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[15:21:13] <Licaon_Kter> Yes it mighn be a client thing, I only got one line and I had another mobile client, so we'd need that updated too I guess.
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[15:22:37] <Holger> Ok but it's good to see that the 0215 code seems to work.
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[17:15:58] <Licaon_Kter> So hov do I fix the rebar3 thing?
[17:16:02] <Licaon_Kter> So how do I fix the rebar3 thing?
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[17:19:15] <badlop> what thing exactly?
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[17:23:20] <Licaon_Kter> > ```
> ...
> Already up to date.
> rm -rf _build/default/lib/.got
> rm -rf _build/default/lib/.built
> /usr/lib/erlang/bin/escript /home/pi/rebar3/rebar3 upgrade && :> _build/default/lib/.got
> ===> Analyzing applications...
> ===> Compiling configure_deps
> ===> Verifying dependencies...
> ===> Package not found in any repo: cache_tab 1.0.27
> make: *** [Makefile:140: update] Error 1
> ```
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[17:27:37] <badlop> ah, ejabberd depends in that new version, but it isn't yet published in hex.pm
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[17:41:48] <prefiks> yes, updated packages must be published in hex.pm for that to work
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[17:42:17] <prefiks> i asked person that have key for that do it
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[17:42:52] <badlop> in the meantime... ./rebar get-deps :P
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[17:55:17] <Licaon_Kter> rebar3 get-deps?
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[17:57:59] <prefiks> he talks about using rebar2
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[17:58:39] <Licaon_Kter> I got that :)
Non-rebar3....builds fine, as mentioned
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[17:59:23] <prefiks> if you really want to use rebar3 and git deps, you can add % before lines:
{[deps], [gitonly_deps], IsRebar3,
Rebar3DepsFilter, [], []},
in rebar.config.script
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[18:07:38] <Licaon_Kter> Will try
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[18:53:26] <CEO> I made an apparmor profile for ejabberd (20.04), tested on Debian buster . (For the upstream deb package)
[18:53:41] <CEO> Should I upload it somewhere?
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[20:04:35] <marc> Would make sense to have that in the main repo IMO
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[20:32:31] <CEO> Will open a github issue for it
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