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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[00:56:50] <CEO> Alacer: credentials_lifetime: 12h
[00:57:24] <CEO> I have turn with udp transport
[00:57:39] <CEO> And turns with tcp transport and tls
[00:57:53] <CEO> Isn't the second one enough to use turn?
[00:58:19] <CEO> Also using stuns only: tcp tls works
[00:58:32] <CEO> Without the udp stun
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[04:46:26] <Alacer> CEO: So if it is firewall related as you have mentioned and Stuns means calls are essentialy Peer - to - Peer on WebRTC, is you firewall intelligent enough to block RTP streams from unknowa IPs given one of your users is behind Firwall NAT...
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[05:21:43] <CEO> Alacer: no idea
[05:22:22] <CEO> Allowing turn udp Port, enables calls to last more than 9 minutes
[05:22:36] <CEO> Turn tcp tls, has no effect on this
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[05:23:39] <CEO> So I am using turn udp only now. And will probably use stun udp only,and block the stun TLS Port
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[05:24:28] <CEO> Also I am allowing only c2s_tls and s2s_tls, while blocking plain c2s and s2s ports
[05:24:44] <CEO> Does this seem correct? Everything seems to be working
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[06:01:06] <Alacer> CEO: So what is the QOS settings on your firewall for Media Streams... Also if you have VLANs then which VLAN ejabberd is connected.. try to fiddle by having ejabberd connected to Firewalls trunk port... UDP seems to be working due to QOS on firewall and TCP will be killed by firewall, in fact firewall will start port hinting and block it.. check your firewalls cpu usage with TCP based calls and id goes high then it seems to be QOS... or put ejabberd in DMZ ....
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[06:16:42] <CEO> Funny thing. I tried again with turn tcp tls. This time call lastest 13 minutes. Retried, and next call ended at 9 minutes as usual.
[06:17:24] <CEO> Seems turn is necessary as you said, and tcp turn can work sometimes. But udp turn is always reliable.
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[07:20:13] <CEO> Also is forwarding of packets necessary?
[07:20:40] <CEO> I have a rule that drops incoming packages, unless it's one of the ports I have specified.
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[07:21:03] <CEO> Drops all forwarding. and allows all outgoing
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[07:22:14] <CEO> Does turn need this? Or does it work with incoming and outgoing connections only?
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[07:22:58] <Licaon_Kter> Don't you use established,related ?
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[07:33:50] <Alacer> CEO: Now I am getting firm that though you have a rule but your FW is intelligent enough to detect streams and as UDP for Media Streams is by default whitelisted (Almost Universal way if Media Streams) it does not get dropped where as TCP due to acknowledgement overhead has not been used for Media stream alot.. Move ejabberd to either DMZ or Whats wrong in using UDP as long as there is no UDP specific Security Policies defined to be applied on F/w.. to end use a VOIP call should work who cares TCP or UDP...
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[07:35:41] <CEO> Licaon_Kter: for incoming yes. For chain forward , policy is drop.
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[07:39:54] <CEO> Alacer: yes will use udp stun/turn for voip. But for all other things, c2s and s2s still using only tcp tls.
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[07:40:27] <Licaon_Kter> CEO:
> for incoming yes. For chain forward , policy is drop.
As usual, disable firewall, test...then decide
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[07:41:29] <CEO> Forward is basically my server acts as a router
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[07:42:04] <CEO> According to nftables. If you are not a router you can have a drop all policy for forwarding
[07:42:17] <Alacer> CEO: C2S/S2S, is not an issue as its Not basically RTP media stream...by the way since WebRTC session uses DTLS-SRTP for negotiation and Encryption then calls over UDP are secure so TLS is just overhead...
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[07:45:03] <CEO> Alacer: yes I use dtls true. Also I have closed ports for websocket and bosh. Since my clients are conversations, which afaik doesn't use websockets or bosh.
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[07:46:23] <Alacer> CEO: use DTLS in what? F/W Config... if yes for what???
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[07:48:52] <CEO> Dtls-srtp for calls I mean
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[07:49:49] <Licaon_Kter> CEO the stream is encrypted, not sure your firewall can pick up what's inside
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[08:08:30] <CEO> Also seems my conversations clients have battery saving enabled
[08:08:51] <CEO> Might also play a part in the disconnects
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[08:16:31] <BlackEdge> So, I set subscription mode to manual but subscription request still get auto accepted. Any ideas?
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[08:19:29] <Holger> CEO:
> And will try to open tcp TLS port range for turn (with udp ranged closed).
The relaying is *always* done via UDP. TLS support doesn't exist.
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[08:21:30] <Holger> Right, makes sense. (TLS can add quite some latency and only makes sense as a fallback to circumvent restrictive firewalls.)
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[08:25:44] <CEO> Now using tls only for c2s and s2s
[08:26:02] <CEO> Will test again to see if the problem is fixed.
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[08:28:29] <CEO> C2s and s2s offer plain tcp and tcp with tls. Decided to use only the tls version for the extra security
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[09:19:22] <BlackEdge> > So, I set subscription mode to manual but subscription request still get auto accepted. Any ideas?
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[09:34:10] <CEO> Holger: something strange happens. With either udp stun and turn ports enabled or with the firewall completely disabled. My calls end now at 21 minutes
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[09:37:02] <CEO> The only thing I see in ejabberd logs is log term STUN authentication accepted.
[09:37:25] <Licaon_Kter> Progress, test more?
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[09:38:23] <CEO> So it seems the firewall was an issue only in part, using udp turn and stun certainly helped things. No longer disconnect at 9 minutes.
[09:38:48] <CEO> But I do get disconnections at 21 minutes now , even with disabled firewall
[09:39:40] <CEO> Also I have disabled battery optimizations for android. And will look into android logs now , maybe I will find something
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[09:51:58] <CEO> Conversation logs say connectivity error. Jingle session, connectivity Lost error terminating
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[10:20:07] <Licaon_Kter> Wi-Fi or mobile data?
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[10:29:06] <Holger> For me, mobile works rock-solid but Wi-Fi doesn't always.  Proper fix would be moving a way from this place where we see >50 other Wi-Fi networks ...
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[12:16:48] <CEO> I tried conversations server, and same clients connected from WiFi and 4g. Call still goes on for 1 hour 30min
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[12:17:27] <CEO> It's something to do with my server obviously. Closed firewall and nginx proxy to try again
[12:18:10] <CEO> Also for mod_stun_disco. Do I need access: option? I don't have that and I see in docs default is local
[12:18:42] <CEO> Also using turn_ip instead of turn_ipv4 which I guess is correct for my 20.04 version
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[12:23:20] <Holger> > Do I need access: option
No.  Just `mod_stun_disco: {}`.
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[12:24:23] <Holger> Ah no with 20.04 you might need to set:
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modules:
  mod_stun_disco:
    credentials_lifetime: 12h # Or something.
```
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[12:24:56] <Holger> I had forgotten about this issue, sorry.  (But not doing that should kill TURN sessions in less than 20 min. actually.)
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[12:48:22] <CEO> I have credentials lifetime 12h
[12:48:43] <Holger> Ok.
[12:50:11] <CEO> Well with disabled firewall and disabled nginx call was dropping in 23 minutes. The only other thing I have active is an apparmor profile. But no denied access is shown in the logs or anything
[12:50:51] <CEO> Guess the vps I use has network stability issues. Cant find any other explanation
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[12:53:42] <CEO> The other thing I use is the option auth: user, instead of anonymous for my turn listeners
[12:53:56] <CEO> But probably it's irrelevant
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[12:58:15] <Holger> `user` is correct.
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[13:10:46] <CEO> I am getting lots of attempted to login via ssh on my machine. I login using rsa id key. But is it possible they serve as some kind of ddos?
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[13:11:58] <CEO> They try a port range not just port 23
[13:12:01] <CEO> 22
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