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[09:19:09] <benk> I'm having a very mysterious problem of not being able to join an MUC on one particular server, and neither me nor its admin can figure out why, because it works between other servers
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[09:20:22] <benk> are there any known issues with ejabberd 21.01 ?
[09:20:58] <benk> or unknown issues with 21.04 🤣️
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[09:22:19] <Licaon_Kter> What do your (both) server logs say, what's the client error?
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[09:25:31] <benk> So this is the frustrating thing... we both upgraded our ejabberd recently it seems, I got FreeBSD's 21.01 package, he has 21.04. What my clients do is try to join the MUC but it shows like it's not connected, Dino will just hang on joining it indefinitely, Conversations will show the room history but send or receiving nothing (says Waiting...). I upped my loglevel to debug and watched it while attempting to connect and on my end it seems like nothing useful comes, it will say it's starting the s2s connection, sending a presence message, and I think somewhere I saw an error messaging saying the connection timed out due to being idle but not sure if that's related anyway.
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[09:25:56] <benk> He just informed me that the MUC is showing that I'm in the room, but my clients seem not to know that
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[09:28:25] <Holger> benk: s2s connections are uni-directional, so your server needs to connect to the remote server, and the remote server needs to open a separate connection back to yours for things to work.  Maybe the latter is failing.
[09:28:40] <benk> Oh good insight
[09:29:29] <benk> I can even add and message him on this own server, so it's not even s2s in general it seems like it's just the MUC's
[09:29:38] <benk> I can even add and message him on his own server, so it's not even s2s in general it seems like it's just the MUC's
[09:29:55] <Holger> benk: And you won't see that latter case in your logs, that would have to be checked on the remote server.
[09:30:12] <Holger> benk: Well, or not _necessarily_.
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[09:30:53] <Holger> benk: Depending on at what point the connection fails.  If your server rejects the remote server's connection you would see that of course.
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[09:31:20] <Holger> "1:1 works but MUC doesn't" might be certificate foo?
[09:31:28] <Holger> Do you have Gajim?
[09:31:34] <benk> Yes
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[09:32:29] <Holger> benk: Then you could right-click on the account name at the top of your roster and choose 'Discover Services'.
[09:32:56] <benk> Oh nice I haven't seen that since my Psi days
[09:33:13] <Holger> benk: In the `Address:` field, add his server domain and press `Go`.  Try with the main domain and the MUC domain.
[09:33:24] <Holger> benk: Does it list things for either domain?
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[09:34:34] <benk> The remote server is suchat.org, I get a list for upload/pubsub/proxy/muc (muc is named salas ie "rooms"). Seems all but the latter returned some info but salas.suchat.org is "None"
[09:34:59] <benk> https://kwiecien.us:5443/upload/9fdceccc00c9c6d4633eafbea29bd8116e8a4f51/uyHTcOD9VixWAmJ6NQz1o5BuOBVhhjs1RpxrWaNf/salas-none.png
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[09:36:23] <benk> I don't know how to check their certs but I tried looking at their website's cert with Chrome and they got the wildcard *.suchat.org so their cert should be good and I assume their ejabberd is using it
[09:37:40] <Holger> Hm `salas.suchat.org` works for me (including cert auth).
[09:38:10] <benk> Yes it seems to work from other servers but my own
[09:38:28] <benk> but when I browse other servers I see goupchats just fine
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[09:39:04] <Holger> Do you see inbound connections from 78.47.75.145 in your logs?
[09:39:34] <benk> https://kwiecien.us:5443/upload/9fdceccc00c9c6d4633eafbea29bd8116e8a4f51/mi69nk2FkZb8lGiki7tc7sY2OcqW97JjBx5SaowZ/process-one-chatrooms.png
[09:39:41] <benk> Holger, I will check, it might take a few minutes
[09:40:00] <benk> you mean ejabberd.log yes
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[09:42:06] <Holger> Yes.
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[09:43:48] <Holger> One difference is that salas.suchat.org only has _xmpp-client SRV records while suchat.org also has _xmpps-client records in DNS.
[09:43:58] <benk> I just turned dubg logging on again, and this is from a little less than an hour ago when I was testing it: https://paste.centos.org/view/edb3a84e
[09:44:05] <Holger> But I doubt this is related to the issue (in this case).
[09:44:54] <benk> I think even my own server doesn't have SRV records for the chat. subdomain
[09:44:58] <benk> at least not specifically for it
[09:45:23] <benk> of course that doesn't matter really lol
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[09:45:34] <Holger> benk: Ok but that log snippet is only about suchat.org, not salas.suchat.org.
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[09:45:39] <Holger> benk: Oh it may well matter.
[09:46:09] <benk> Oh, I assumed chat.kwiecien.us doesn't get involved in this particular activity
[09:46:16] <Holger> benk: Ah, right.
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[09:49:28] <benk> Holger, OK I have a longer snip now I enabled debug logging and tried the service directory again: https://paste.centos.org/view/8a5e7ce4
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[09:50:05] <Holger> benk: Still it doesn't even _mention_ salas. ...
[09:50:12] <benk> I know right 😕
[09:50:19] <benk> not even an outbound
[09:51:30] <Holger> benk: `ejabberdctl stop-s2s-connections` and then re-run service discovery from Gajim (note Gajim likes to cache things, might have to restart it first, or at least query a different server in between).
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[09:51:51] <benk> He also just sent me this:
[09:51:55] <benk> 2021-04-22 09:25:56.608047+02:00 [info] <0.3115.22>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_success/4:183 (tls|<0.3115.22>) Accepted inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication kwiecien.us -> salas.suchat.org (::ffff:69.108.64.49)
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[09:52:22] <benk> OK let me run that
[09:52:27] <Holger> benk: Okay, so that direction looks fine.
[09:53:01] <Holger> benk: It would be good if he could grep for 'outbound' connections from salas.suchat.org to kwiecien.us.
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[09:53:32] <benk> Do you know how I can do that
[09:53:38] <benk> just outbound
[09:53:59] <Holger> benk: Hm I meant the suchat admin should grep for those.
[09:54:27] <Holger> benk: It looks like the connection *from* salas.suchat *to* your server might be the problem, right?
[09:54:49] <benk> I suppose so
[09:55:12] <Holger> So to check that, you would grep for incoming connection attempts and/or (better) he should grep for outgoing connections.
[09:55:31] <benk> I would just grep that domain right
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[09:55:36] <Holger> Yes.
[09:55:39] <Holger> Well.
[09:55:46] <Holger> He would just grep those two domains.
[09:55:58] <Holger> For you it might also be interesting to check for his IP address, as I said above.
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[09:56:08] <Holger> The question is at what point the connection fails.
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[09:56:31] <Holger> His logs will tell him about any failure if he just greps for the domain names.
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[09:56:53] <Holger> Your logs will either not tell you anything, or just mention the IP address, or also mention domain names, depending on where things fail.
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[09:57:53] <benk> He also sent me this, sometime after his server accepts the inbound connection:
2021-04-22 09:37:45.491222+02:00 [info] <0.3115.22>@ejabberd_s2s_in:process_closed/2:132 Closing inbound s2s connection kwiecien.us -> salas.suchat.org: Stream closed by local host: Idle connection (connection-timeout)
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[09:58:25] <benk> I noticed it looks like he's using IPv6 as well which my server lacks, but that shouldn't be a problem
[09:58:38] <Holger> That's again just about the other direction.
[09:59:11] <benk> so what we need is for salas.suchat.org specifically to connect to kwiecien.us
[09:59:23] <Holger> `grep -E 'outbound.*salas.*kwiecien' ejabberd.log`
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[10:09:12] <benk> lol now I'm trying to learn how .* works in regex
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[10:11:02] <Holger> `.` means "any character", `*` means "zero or more occurences of the preceeding character".  So `.` would match, for example, an "x" or a "7".  And the pattern would `x*` match "" or "x" or "xxxxx".  And the pattern `.*` matches *anything*.
[10:12:32] <benk> ah OK so it looks for those elements in that order regardless of what's between them
[10:12:34] <Holger> In other words, my pattern above matches "outbound" followed by zero or more arbitrary characters, followed by "salas", followed by zero or more arbitrary characters, followed by "kwiecien".
[10:12:38] <Holger> Exactly.
[10:12:42] <benk> thank you
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[10:14:20] <benk> so for me `grep -E 'inbound.*78\.47\.75\.145' ejabberd.log` would be useful
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[10:15:26] <Holger> The idea behind the pattern looks right, but the log message that contains the IP address looks different :-)
[10:15:31] <benk> Does it really make sense though that his ejabberd server can find kwiecien.us when it's acting on behalf of "suchat.org" but not "salas.suchat.org"? Wouldn't be the same procedure?
[10:15:32] <Holger> `Accepted connection [::ffff:78.47.75.145]:34747 -> [...]`
[10:15:44] <benk> ah OK
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[10:17:19] <Holger> I'm not so motivated to speculate about possible reasons for it to work with one domain but not the other, sorry.  You are telling me that 1:1 works but MUC doesn't, if that's true then there *is* *some* difference somewhere, and the most obvious way to track it down is to have the suchat admin grep for connection attempts.
[10:17:52] <benk> No problem 🙂
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[10:19:24] <Holger> Maybe his ejabberd has some old `salas. -> kwiecien` connection that's stuck for some reason, whatever.
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[10:20:20] <benk> maybe stop-s2s-connections could help
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[10:20:40] <Holger> Yes, maybe.
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[10:50:10] <benk> He managed to fix it by restarting all his servers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[10:51:28] <benk> Out of curiosity, does `ejabberdctl` have to be run by ejabberd's own user (on my system "ejabberd") or are other users allowed to invoke it? Like root perhaps
[10:52:51] <Holger> It's prepared to be run by root.  Other users could run it as well but they would have to copy the ~ejabberd/.erlang.cookie file into their home directory (and fix the permissions), first.
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[10:53:39] <aleksmisha> Root can use, I call ejabberdctl
> Out of curiosity, does `ejabberdctl` have to be run by ejabberd's own user (on my system "ejabberd") or are other users allowed to invoke it? Like root perhaps
from the root myself, I don't know about other users.
[10:54:26] <aleksmisha> i will test now
[10:54:29] <benk> oh that's funny, I always su - ejabberd before running it but I think I only did that out of precaution
[10:55:36] <Holger> Basically `ejabberdctl` does just that if you don't.
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[10:56:07] <Holger> But generally sane not to do things as root unless really required :-)
[10:56:57] <benk> ah it seems FreeBSD has it set up only to work for ejabberd user
[10:57:03] <aleksmisha> I tested
ERROR: This command can only be run by root or the
user ejabberd
[10:57:57] <benk> root don't got that cookie
[10:57:57] <Holger> Ah indeed, we still have that stupid check in the script.
[10:58:17] <benk> sudo ejabberdctl also gives me a warning not to run it as root lol
[10:58:18] <Holger> benk: Right, root does `su - ejabberd` and then the ejabberd user's cookie is used.
[10:58:58] <benk> ah OK
[10:59:02] <Holger> benk: In *that* case other users would be allowed to run it :-)  (Depends on compile time parameters.)
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[10:59:11] <Holger> (In the case where it warns about root running it.)
[10:59:18] <Holger> It's all a bit stupid.
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[10:59:20] <aleksmisha> > Ah indeed, we still have that stupid check in the script.
Why "stupid"? what if someone from ordinary users, for example, wants to delete all xmpp users???
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[10:59:37] <benk> they wouldn't dare
[11:00:02] <aleksmisha> > they wouldn't dare
In what sense
[11:00:11] <benk> Kidding :)
[11:00:12] <Holger> aleksmisha: I didn't say/mean other users should have the permission to that.
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[11:00:39] <Holger> aleksmisha: I said it's stupid to have an "if I'm not user $foo then exit with error message" check.
[11:01:15] <aleksmisha> Holger: why?
[11:01:32] <Holger> Tools should just try to do whatever they do.  And if something fails (due to, for example, missing permissions), they should handle _that_ error properly (e.g. by spitting out a message and exiting).
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[11:02:22] <Holger> Because those additional checks don't add any security, but make *assumptions* about what users will have which permissions, and those assumptions may be wrong.
[11:02:47] <aleksmisha> by the way, if I add users who can use ejabberdctl to the group _ejabberd_, will it work for them?
[11:03:10] <Holger> E.g. if my non-root users has the .erlang.cookie, he could use ejabberdctl just fine.  But ejabberdctl forbids it and forces me to run it with additional root privileges.
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[11:03:40] <Holger> So if anything, it's wecurity-wise worse than not having that check.
[11:03:45] <Holger> *security-wise
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[11:05:16] <Holger> (At work, I typically run Internet daemons without ever involving root, and quite a few pieces of daemon software have such stupid "am I root?" checks, which I then have to patch out first.)
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[11:11:22] <benk> Yeah running as root is a big no-no
[11:11:52] <aleksmisha> By the way, how to set up a captcha in a ejabberd 21.04? What the command should return captcha_cmd or captcha_url?
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[11:12:42] <aleksmisha> AND WHAT EXACTLY should this command return?
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[11:15:39] <aleksmisha> The site ejabberd.im does not have specific documentation on this matter :(
[11:15:57] <Holger> aleksmisha: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/basic/#captcha
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[11:17:04] <Holger> aleksmisha: See https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/tools/captcha.sh for an example script, or captcha-ng.sh for another example.  There's also a C thing somewhere on GitHub.
[11:17:25] <Holger> https://github.com/dotdoom/gd-captcha
[11:18:39] <aleksmisha> Holger: oh, thank you very much!
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